EDcase Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 I'm looking at getting this https://gunfire.com/en/products/specna-arms-sa-b01-carbine-replica-1152200030.html or this https://www.taiwangun.com/en/electric/m-4a-j-g-works?from=listing&campaign-id=20 I do prefer the XM177 look and it does mention 8mm steel bearing bushings and bearing spring guide and brass cylinder head (?) Which sounds like quite good internals. From what I understand SpecnaArms would have better internals than the JG. But this isn't the top line Specna and JG do seem to produce quite good rifs... So what would be your thoughts...? Pre-emptive answers cos I know you lot: Yes, I've searched for info but there's very little on the JG and SA-B01 No, I can't buy both Yeah, maybe I'll get neither Maybe get the SA-B01 and convert it to an XM177? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skara Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 Convert the specna with the receiver you'll be salvaging from the JG. No idea on JG's quality nowadays honestly, haven't seen one in at least 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EDcase Posted May 11, 2020 Author Share Posted May 11, 2020 Cheers Skara. Yeah, I'm leaning towards getting the Specna and converting it. I don't have the JG. Its a debate as to which one to get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asomodai Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 I find that JG has better consistency in fit and finish over more recent Specna's. Specna has on paper better internals, but seem a bit slap dash in the assembly. Finding a true M-4A1 handguard seperately has been a real pain, though I am not sure if its still the same these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuttArmouries Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 Jg has got a lot better but are still a budget option. They are decent for the price. Older specna ones are very good but their latest batch of new ones has been a total load of crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EDcase Posted May 11, 2020 Author Share Posted May 11, 2020 Thanks for info guys 13 minutes ago, HuttArmouries said: Jg has got a lot better but are still a budget option. They are decent for the price. Older specna ones are very good but their latest batch of new ones has been a total load of crap. Yeah, this is what's frying my brain. JG are more budget but are surprisingly good these days and the Specnas are good but the B01 is budget end and not much info about performance. Which Specnas are bad now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuttArmouries Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 1 minute ago, EDcase said: Thanks for info guys Yeah, this is what's frying my brain. JG are more budget but are surprisingly good these days and the Specnas are good but the B01 is budget end and not much info about performance. Which Specnas are bad now? If you can get one of the slightly older specna guns they are great value for money. I have to say most of my info about jg comes from aks, g3s and fals and I know very little about their m4s. I do know for a fact that the new specna guns are trash. For more info on that I highly recommend watching this. As a third option the new cyma platinum rifles are meant to be damn good for the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EDcase Posted May 11, 2020 Author Share Posted May 11, 2020 Wow that is bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuttArmouries Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 5 minutes ago, EDcase said: Wow that is bad To be honest the jg recievers arent too bad so its probably worth going that way and tweaking the internals if you need to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EDcase Posted May 11, 2020 Author Share Posted May 11, 2020 OK thanks for the feedback Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kasaran Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Damn. Tempted on the xm177 now.... but i already have an m16a1.damnit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedbird_666 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Have considered a Cyma? The newer CYMA stuff is pretty good these days. https://gunfire.com/en/products/cm009e-carbine-replica-black-1152224660.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ak2m4 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 +1 for the new CYMA Platinums - but it's an extra £70 or so. The Specna in the top link is from their E&C range so pretty decent. Solid gearbox, I've thrown so much at the test stock one I have in the office and still going strong. The JG one looks nice, would love to see inside. Get both.... 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EDcase Posted May 12, 2020 Author Share Posted May 12, 2020 58 minutes ago, kasaran said: Damn. Tempted on the xm177 now.... but i already have an m16a1.damnit Yeah, get one and tell us how it is 😉 49 minutes ago, Speedbird_666 said: Have considered a Cyma? The newer CYMA stuff is pretty good these days. https://gunfire.com/en/products/cm009e-carbine-replica-black-1152224660.html Too much I'm afraid 36 minutes ago, ak2m4 said: +1 for the new CYMA Platinums - but it's an extra £70 or so. The Specna in the top link is from their E&C range so pretty decent. Solid gearbox, I've thrown so much at the test stock one I have in the office and still going strong. The JG one looks nice, would love to see inside. Get both.... 🙂 CYMA is above price limit I think the Specna is the safer option I'd love to see inside the JG as well 🤔 Hahaha I knew someone would suggest both 😆 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kasaran Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Im not an expert. But to be a 'nam thread counter. I thought the xm177 had a narrower foregrip than modern m4s and it looks pretty wide on the jg. But then i guess they need the battery there. Why isnt it wired for the buffer tube? Weird Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EDcase Posted May 12, 2020 Author Share Posted May 12, 2020 Yeah, seems they're using an M4A1 Commando style foregrip presumably to accommodate the battery as you said. I'm not too bothered by that It might be possible to rear wire it but it may weaken the mounting point for the stock tube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asomodai Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 3 hours ago, kasaran said: Im not an expert. But to be a 'nam thread counter. I thought the xm177 had a narrower foregrip than modern m4s and it looks pretty wide on the jg. But then i guess they need the battery there. Why isnt it wired for the buffer tube? Weird Correct. None of the cheaper brands get this right. Apart from this one which is the closest you'll get for the price. https://www.softairgames.net/en/m4-m16-stubby/5265-m733-m4-full-metal-golden-bow-6601-m.html Golden Bow is essentially JG in another tie. (Ignore the bad review, he's just complaining the handguard is plastic) I buy loads of stuff from this shop so it is legit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgePlaysAirsoft Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 3 hours ago, kasaran said: Im not an expert. But to be a 'nam thread counter. I thought the xm177 had a narrower foregrip than modern m4s and it looks pretty wide on the jg. But then i guess they need the battery there. Why isnt it wired for the buffer tube? Weird can fit an old school nimh in the slimline foregrip ala the tm m733. i think its just them cheaping out https://www.brownells.co.uk/AR-15-CAR-HANDGUARD-SET-CAR-Handguard-Set-Black-DS-ARMS-2-Piece-Aluminum-Nylon-274000032 this is cheaper then the g&p and WE replicas. will it need modding to fit? tbh i've no idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EDcase Posted May 12, 2020 Author Share Posted May 12, 2020 40 minutes ago, Asomodai said: Correct. None of the cheaper brands get this right. Apart from this one which is the closest you'll get for the price. https://www.softairgames.net/en/m4-m16-stubby/5265-m733-m4-full-metal-golden-bow-6601-m.html Golden Bow is essentially JG in another tie. (Ignore the bad review, he's just complaining the handguard is plastic) I buy loads of stuff from this shop so it is legit. The hand guard does look better but it doesn't seem to have the better internals like bearing bushings, bearing spring guide or brass cylinder head. Would need to get the correct flash hider 17 minutes ago, GeorgePlaysAirsoft said: can fit an old school nimh in the slimline foregrip ala the tm m733. i think its just them cheaping out https://www.brownells.co.uk/AR-15-CAR-HANDGUARD-SET-CAR-Handguard-Set-Black-DS-ARMS-2-Piece-Aluminum-Nylon-274000032 this is cheaper then the g&p and WE replicas. will it need modding to fit? tbh i've no idea. Yeah, interesting. I wonder if that would need much modifying I wish there was a video showing the gearbox of the JG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skara Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 47 minutes ago, Asomodai said: (Ignore the bad review, he's just complaining the handguard is plastic) I buy loads of stuff from this shop so it is legit. He's complaining about the quality of the plastic, I also wouldn't trust reviews on this site as most of them are from plebs who expect TM recoil performance off €50 springers. I also buy a lot from them and had no problems so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EDcase Posted May 12, 2020 Author Share Posted May 12, 2020 I'm making an educated guess that this is the gearbox in the XM177 https://www.evike.com/products/33548/ So not 8mm bearing bushings Wouldn't be the first time Taiwangun got information wrong 😡 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AK47frizzle Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 tbh, gearbox wise, they're not going to be that much different. IMO just choose the shell you want. All aegs end up shooting the same down the line anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EDcase Posted May 12, 2020 Author Share Posted May 12, 2020 I'm probably over thinking it but wouldn't it depend how old they are? A newer one may have quite a few improvements for the same price. I just don't want to get the XM177 to find it has lower quality internals than the Specna. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EDcase Posted May 12, 2020 Author Share Posted May 12, 2020 Well, I made my choice... One of the above is on its way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trev Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Just to add my two pence guys, there is a discount code at the moment for gunfire.pl, which is GF-HOLLYWOOD-12 Which means a £20.00 discount on the xm177 on their site. Just in case someone is interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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