Conversation overheard today at Holmbush Airsoft; Crawley

[Sacarathe]

The deliberate cheaters - well they won't be the ones at the chrono trying to see if gun might just drop a whisker

they would have tried it already or altered stuff lunchtime or when they next have to reload/change battery etc...

others even try to sneak in guns that appeared to have passed the chrono - hence sites change their chrono pass marking methods

I've three times now been to the marshals at the mall at to chrono either after the safety briefing or during lunch to have my gun pass, but already have only one zip tie already in the appropriate colour. So easy to avoid chrono at the mall, not that I would.

[GunmanAirsoft]

Really? Like 10BBs / person?

It doesn't seem like much I know, but when we used our 0.2s to chrono we used to get through loads. If we used our BBs we would need to have 0.2,0.25,0.28,0.3,0.36,0.4,0.43 at least. Some people's guns are fussy about what brand you use, what do you do then?

 

The logistics of keeping opened containers for each of the weights and not getting BBs dropping into the wrong containers is bad enough, then add the time factor - it takes long enough to get everyone chrono'd when they bring their own mag to the point already loaded, in this situation each person would have to be supervised by a marshal while they loaded the correct BBs before firing...

 

I think I'll stick to working on an honour system where I ask the player what weight he/she is running and compare the chrono results to our cross reference chart. If they choose to cheat the chrono they will soon be creating out in the field and get themselves chucked off site in my opinion.

 

Players hearing conversations such as the one which sparked this thread must see it as important to identify the culprits to the site manager who can then single them out for more aggressive testing and also ensure that their conduct in the field is monitored. Any breaches after that would result in a site ban.

[proffrink]

Spot checks. Pick 5 people each morning to get the full Joule test. It's enough to show you mean business without having to crack out BBs for 30-40+ players each time.

 

I think a lot of people do it because they know they can get away with exploiting the honour system bit. Somewhere in-between might work well.

[Jedi_Master]

Spot checks. Pick 5 people each morning to get the full Joule test. It's enough to show you mean business without having to crack out BBs for 30-40+ players each time.

 

No, because friends and favourites could be excluded from spot checks, and even if not the case any impression of that occuring erodes the site credibility. For transparancy better to do everyone, even if it does take more effort.

[Dentonboy]

I saw ACE Combat do spot checks after lunch on two friendly regulars who had GBBRs.

 

They were hot.

 

They were told not to use them.

 

I thought even more of the site after that.

[Sacarathe]

 

Spot checks. Pick 5 people each morning to get the full Joule test. It's enough to show you mean business without having to crack out BBs for 30-40+ players each time.

No, beacuse friends and favourites could be excluded from spot checks, and even if not the case any impression of that occuring erodes the site credibility. For transparancy better to do everyone, even if it does take more effort.

 

Not really, count the number of players, divide the total by 5 to get 'n', check every nth player.

[Guest PT247]

Mid game last month Holmbush chronoed ALL the snipers on site BBs. Everyone passed.

[GiantKiwi]

Who the hell uses 0.12g BB?

 

I've used them in tornado grenades, mixed with 0.2's, 0.25's and 0.28's - makes for amusing spread

[Jedi_Master]

 

I've used them in tornado grenades, mixed with 0.2's, 0.25's and 0.28's - makes for amusing spread

 

Now that makes sense. I could not imagine someone skirmishing all day with 0.12g bb in an airsoft gun. Although I supose that occasionally a new player will have bought a cheap (two tone) BB gun from one of those BB 'specialist shops' and will use those little yellow balls through ignorance of not knowing their gun is not really suitable for airsoft. All airsoft guns are BB guns but not all BB guns are airsoft guns.

[proffrink]

No, because friends and favourites could be excluded from spot checks, and even if not the case any impression of that occuring erodes the site credibility. For transparancy better to do everyone, even if it does take more effort.

Not really, count the number of players, divide the total by 5 to get 'n', check every nth player.

This. If marshals can't learn how to impartially pick at random then their site is probably sh*t anyway for reasons other than hot guns.

[Hudson]

Have a bag with x amount of plain & coloured balls at the exit of the safe zone/start of the game zone; everyone blindly picks a ball out of the bag as they pass by & whoever gets the coloured ones gets chronoed.

It's the chrono lotto!

[Sacarathe]

Have a bag with x amount of plain & coloured balls at the exit of the safe zone/start of the game zone; everyone blindly picks a ball out of the bag as they pass by & whoever gets the coloured ones gets chronoed.

 

It's the chrono lotto!

 

And now you need to pay someone to do something else unnecessary.

[proffrink]

It's not a bad idea though. It's chairsoft themed at least. Problem would be getting the right amount of BBs in there each time though, so I don't think it'd work for that reason.

[sniperslucky]

My son has played there a few times and on each occasion be it arriving early or late has not seen any marshals at the chrono site. This is a good site but i've seen some of the whelps that he has come home with from OTHER sites and would put it down to hot guns. Surely all sites should make sure that guns are chrono'd by staff not individuals being that this site only seem to use two colours of tie wraps it would be easy to get around,why don't they set up a penned walk way so as you pay you get chrono'd. Holmbush has many players which are free to stay in the safe zone and get chrono'd at leisure. I have also thought that a few extra FPS wouldn't matter but when it came to playing i had cut the springs down to the FPS limits or lower as Safety is paramount

 

As always it is always a minority that won't play by the rules

 

[Guest PT247]

My son has played there a few times and on each occasion be it arriving early or late has not seen any marshals at the chrono site. This is a good site but i've seen some of the whelps that he has come home with from OTHER sites and would put it down to hot guns. Surely all sites should make sure that guns are chrono'd by staff not individuals being that this site only seem to use two colours of tie wraps it would be easy to get around,why don't they set up a penned walk way so as you pay you get chrono'd. Holmbush has many players which are free to stay in the safe zone and get chrono'd at leisure. I have also thought that a few extra FPS wouldn't matter but when it came to playing i had cut the springs down to the FPS limits or lower as Safety is paramount

 

As always it is always a minority that won't play by the rules

 

I can't ever remember them not having mandatory chronoing at Holmbush in at least a year of playing, I play there pretty much every game day and there HAS ALWAYS been a marshall chronoing since making it compulsory!

 

In the past have had some pretty sore ouchies from being hit, I think it is more the location on your body you get hit than hot guns tbh that makes them look worse.... the face bleeds very nicely on even CQB fps limits!

[padraigthesniper]

Yh ive heard this a few times especially at smaller places ive noticed where you can hear the odd guy having this sketchy talk about which bbs he should use and other times ive seen marshalls who chrono guns turn hops down on hot guns to make them usable and then they get changed by the player right after.

[rc540]

Had SWIM chrono a TM Mp7 GBB before a game day as had just bought it. Everyone half wowe'd at the sound / Splat . Openly told me it chrone'd at 340 FPS when i asked. 2 Hours later, started playing the game with said gun bearing in mind the site limit is 290 due to be CQB beyond belief. 2 weeks later, i still have the welts from the enguagements with him.

 

But hey hoe, one rule for one, one rule for another. queeried site marshalls about it, and told oh no " its below 290", as the guy works there. Ok mate....seems very fair when i couldnt play their with a gun chrono'ing at 314 fps average.

 

edit: Not at same site, but still, hot gun dodging at multiple sites.

[Guest PT247]

where is SWIM?

[ImTriggerHappy]

where is SWIM?

To propel yourself through water with the combined motion of arms and legs.

[i3666]

This may of been said before but I have not looked through all the posts: You need to watch out for jule creep with HPA guns as this can take them off the FPS limit. I am a HPA user and it is always best not to be on the limit as joule creep can then take you over the limit. Always 'tourny lock' the regulator on HPA users too using cable ties!

 

Sorry if this is a bit off-topic but I find some people don't appreciate how HPA works (the regulator sets the FPS limit and can be easily adjusted during a game unless locked down).

[rc540]

where is SWIM?

SWIM = Someone who isn't myself.

 

ahh previous board habbits rubbing off.

[Guest PT247]

ahh. What site was it at?

[Sacarathe]

ahh. What site was it at?

 

Somewhere which the users wanted specifically avoid self-incrimination no doubt.

 

Forgive double post, didn't realise I was in the same thread. :S

[Sacarathe]

This may of been said before but I have not looked through all the posts: You need to watch out for jule creep with HPA guns as this can take them off the FPS limit. I am a HPA user and it is always best not to be on the limit as jule creep can then take you over the limit. Always 'tourny lock' the regulator on HPA users too using cable ties!

 

Sorry if this is a bit off-topic but I find some people don't appreciate how HPA works (the regulator sets the FPS limit and can be easily adjusted during a game unless locked down).

 

Ah, Jules, that guy. Here's an airsoft social paradox for you (since I can't see how this is relevant discussion ), person has HPA gun, gun fires at the same effective (avg +/-2%) FPS with 0.2g, 0.25g and 0.30g, the site chrono's the gun with .30g and declares it 'hot', but the owner insists he only users 0.2g, wherein the gun would not be over the site limit (if it was an AEG). IS that gun 'hot' or not? The current school of thought in certain other countries is to chrono HPA at above .30g.

[proffrink]

That goddamn Jules is always creeping up on me at games.