Flashbang grenade accessories, what's your thoughts?

[NH Shooter]

Hi all, I've posted about this before, but I now have some stock and wanted to share for opinions. They are currently being sold at introduction prices at my local site where I can get direct customer reviews, but I thought asking for visual feedback wouldn't hurt.

 

What's everyone's opinion?

 

Striker plates, holders and holders in application...

 

 

 

[Sitting Duck]

look good to me, how site friendly are there coz some sites can be really really funny

(think they want you to buy from their shop than bring ya own)

 

only thing I can see at first glance if the pipe clip might dig in ya or catch but dunno

if anything else would be as secure when running around unless you mess around

with pockets/flaps/velcro but wouldn't be as good as them clips

 

think I've seen some of your posts on these - very clever stuff

forgive my ignorance - but you got any pics/video of these in action ???

coz not sure what they like in use - bit of fizz/pop or boom christ wtf was that ?

[NH Shooter]

The grenades are store brought. I only made the holders, etc... But sites are funny... Some (very little) don't care about what you use. Some (middle ground) want you to only use certain brands... Those being the main ones. Others want you to only buy from them. Which is usually a money making thing.

 

But whatever you use, the size is always the same, with the exception of niche grenade sizes. So the holders fit major retail grenades.

 

I haven't done any videos... But I can wazz one up quickly to show how they work... It's very amateur... I'll do something better, but for the moment, this should show you how they work...

 

http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Glaive/media/VID_20141025_113626_zpsgjty3kij.mp4.html

 

The bangs themself... Just Google mk5 thunerflash. There's plenty of YouTube vids.

[team flex]

they look very well made, how long does it take you to build them? and if I may, how many have you sold so far? either way, they do look well made

[two_zero]

I think the metal bit looks way fragile.... which is potentially two problems if you gonna sell it. the most obvious is if it IS fragile, then it's not a very good product. the second problem being that if it looks fragile it will affect the sales, no matter how sturdy it is.

 

That it's unpainted also really bothers me.


Appart from that, they look real nice and I like the concept.

[NH Shooter]

The steel is spring tempered stainless... Looking weak will soon dissappear as soon as you feel them. Unpainted is sadly the best option... As their spring units, coatings will fatigue and damage. Camo tape works well enough though.

 

At the mo, if I'm well quick... I can do the lions share of work in 20 minutes. So far, 12 have gone from 1 lunchtime at my local site. This is the first time I've really shown them...

 

All testing so far has yielded excellent results.

[Ian_Gere]

I like 'em. The unpainted steel is an issue, but as you say tape will sort it out. Personally I would have a go with heatshrink to see if I could get a neater result first. I would buy some right now, but I don't use tan loadouts. Give me a shout if you make any in green.

 

Oh yeah, are you attaching the striker strip to the holder?

Edited October 25, 2014 by Ian_Gere
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[NH Shooter]

I can do, in fact, I already have...

 

But I'm doing other colours now... It's we speak... In fact I'm doing tan, coyote, olive, black, dpm and multicam...

[Ian_Gere]

How much?

[team flex]

I can do, in fact, I already have...

 

But I'm doing other colours now... It's we speak... In fact I'm doing tan, coyote, olive, black, dpm and multicam...

yeah, please take some pics, I am interested and although I won't/ can't afford (saving up) I would love to give visual feedback for something produced home made by someone on the forums..

How much?

this, although I didn't have the balls to ask lol

[NH Shooter]

Honestly... Pricing is vague at best at the moment... I'm in full assembly line mode with a lot of question answering... I never expected such a rush... But I'm positive I can commit to a unit price of less than £10. Plus discounts for multiple units... I'm thinking a mix and match or thunderflash, smoke, Strikers and colours.

 

I think I could go near the £8 mark in fact... Plus postage, etc...

[NH Shooter]

If anyone wants updates, I've just made a Facebook page... Ill be posting all sorts...

 

https://m.facebook.com/Gtechservices

[Lozart]

To be honest, I could see the point of these with the old Enola Gaye mk5. The twist off part of the striker was too short and easily broke off in your pocket/pouch. Now they've redesigned it to twist apart halfway down with the striker on a longer tube it's not an issue.

 

Good luck with it though.

[Ian_Gere]

I've ordered a couple. It will be 3 weeks before i skirmish them though, so a review will have to wait until then.

[NH Shooter]

To be honest, I could see the point of these with the old Enola Gaye mk5. The twist off part of the striker was too short and easily broke off in your pocket/pouch. Now they've redesigned it to twist apart halfway down with the striker on a longer tube it's not an issue.

Good luck with it though.

These weren't designed to get over that problem though. It's the issue you have when using one involves tearing open velcro, or undoing a clip, then foraging around for a bang, then having to use two hands to undo the cap, strike it... Then unless you wanna risk losing the rest of them... Redoing your clip or velcro. That also assumes that your bang goes on the first strike of the thumbnail sized striker...

 

I tried it myself... From "go" it took me around 8 seconds from decision to the bang leaving my hand and securing the pouch, weapon back to ready. And I had to drop my vision to look at my pouch and bang... That assumed a first strike "burn" and mine usually take two, maybe 3...average of about 9 seconds, total. That was also velcro... Much quicker than clips... That's at least 5 seconds to get noticed...

 

These, with a striker plate... Decision to bang leaving my hand, weapon ready... Average of 2 seconds... With the added benefit of keeping my eyes on target, weapon up and no velcro noise. And the greatly increased striker size guarantees good ignition...

 

Some situations increase their case... Going from main to pistol... Snipers or cqb... Drop main, reach for both pistol and bang... Pistol in strong hand... You can transition and throw a bang simultaneously... Extremely quick breaching...

 

It's a tool for increased efficiency. And they do greatly increase it... Same as fast mags, ready mags and kydex holsters...

[Ian_Gere]

For me it's more than just time efficiency, i'm hoping that i will not have to think about cover while i faff - that it will make using bangs more effective because i can get one out and throw it without breaking the momentum of the attack - never giving the opposition time to think.

[Lozart]

These weren't designed to get over that problem though. It's the issue you have when using one involves tearing open velcro, or undoing a clip, then foraging around for a bang, then having to use two hands to undo the cap, strike it... Then unless you wanna risk losing the rest of them... Redoing your clip or velcro. That also assumes that your bang goes on the first strike of the thumbnail sized striker...

 

I tried it myself... From "go" it took me around 8 seconds from decision to the bang leaving my hand and securing the pouch, weapon back to ready. And I had to drop my vision to look at my pouch and bang... That assumed a first strike "burn" and mine usually take two, maybe 3...average of about 9 seconds, total. That was also velcro... Much quicker than clips... That's at least 5 seconds to get noticed...

 

These, with a striker plate... Decision to bang leaving my hand, weapon ready... Average of 2 seconds... With the added benefit of keeping my eyes on target, weapon up and no velcro noise. And the greatly increased striker size guarantees good ignition...

 

Some situations increase their case... Going from main to pistol... Snipers or cqb... Drop main, reach for both pistol and bang... Pistol in strong hand... You can transition and throw a bang simultaneously... Extremely quick breaching...

 

It's a tool for increased efficiency. And they do greatly increase it... Same as fast mags, ready mags and kydex holsters...

 

I hear what you're saying, but I've honestly never found it to be an issue. I assume you have the same problem with mags then?

[Ian_Gere]

Actually, i do change mags before going for any kind of rush assault, because even though i have AK mag changes pretty slick, it does take a few seconds, which gives the opposition time to think...

[NH Shooter]

I hear what you're saying, but I've honestly never found it to be an issue. I assume you have the same problem with mags then?

It not a problem, per se... Just "sub optimal"

 

It wouldn't be a problem keeping your mags in a backpack or pocket... But to be quicker, we use a vest, to be quicker still, we use pouches without velcro or clips, to be quicker still we use fast mags... Even quicker, ready mags...

 

Now there's nothing wrong with using your pockets... But you can be more efficient by using a specialised bit of kit. I actually use a mix of fast mag pouches, and ready mag... That's where this whole idea came about... I got my mag change down to a second, optimised my rig and weight... So started looking my next weakest point, which was actually my mag winding, so I went to flash mag. Then it was grenade deployment...

 

Now I can fire 4 mags, without winding and barely wasting time on reloads, deploy grenades extremely quickly and I use a water bottle pouch on my right hip to catch pistol mags... Making those reloads quicker by miles... None of these things were a problem... But now I'm quicker, more capable and more adaptable...

[joshcowin]

they look decent easy to get too aswell,i hope you do them in atacs fg as i will have some,can you just attach them to molle then?

[NH Shooter]

they look decent easy to get too aswell,i hope you do them in atacs fg as i will have some,can you just attach them to molle then?

Yeah... Post 1 shows the striker on a molle belt, as well as the first prototypes on the same belt... . And there's a link to a video on post 3, showing their use.

 

As for colours, I'm limited to standard webbing colours. Atacs is particularly niche and hard to find. But I'm looking for all colours.

[geoffreym]

if you talk to they guys at flecktarn.co.uk they might be able to help you out in terms of colours, was able to about 25m of 1000D ATACS FG from them for a competitive price.

 

you could also consider Velcro backing them so that some people could mount them on the stocks of their rifles?

 

P.S. if you do end up doing them in ATACS FG, put me down for 3-5,

[NH Shooter]

Yeah, that's the issue... 1000D as a material is too lightweight... These are made using webbing strapping... Much more robust. The strap is neigh on impossible to get. Even getting multicam is a costly and long winded adventure. lol

 

I'll give it a go though.

 

I'm not sure that rifle mounting would work... You would require kydex for that, which I'm currently prototyping.

[Ian_Gere]

I bought 2 from Chris. They arrived very quickly and were neatly made. Unfortunately neat I don't do and glint is no good for a sniper, so I put heat shrink on the clips:

 

[Albiscuit]

Hmm.. tempted... currently fill a mp5 pouch with flashbangs and its not idea in the dark fecking about trying to get em out...

 

Did I see you had some available in black?