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Out of the three you linked two are between £200-300 which is exactly what my point is - you can get great stuff for 300, not 400. When you hit that 300+ mark you're basically spending money on externals, and I agree that G&P aren't brilliant internally and that's why I'd only recommend them for the externals as a long-term upgrade project. Have you actually fully understood my post because you don't seem to be actually disagreeing with me on anything:

I mean I know you should keep this in mind when reading any post here, but more so than ever - that's just one guys opinion. I say over £300 you're looking more at externals and I would use the extra £100 to upgrade your gun internally. If you're in it for the long haul, get something really flash looking for the £400 mark externally and then upgrade the internals over time. Either way, you should be upgrading. Some of the newer stuff is very, very competitive out of the box, but never the best you can get - for that you need to get more hands on.

Going for value at £400 may not be the best tack - the internals don't get hugely better than the £220-300 range for the price. Again, it's generally externals. It really depends what you like the look of. Your basic M4s and AKs will be - as a general rule - better value internally as there's more competition between the brands and you'll get more for your money, but above the £300 mark you should obviously be considering externals as well as they factor into the 'value' of that gun to you specifically. I can't tell you what you like the look of. Then you have to consider barrel length and ROF and optics and lots of other things. Generalising a lot, but do you want high torque with a better trigger response or a faster motor and higher ROF? Do you want to go the DMR route? Electric blow back or not blow back or maybe even a GBBR? What have you had your hands on and enjoyed so far? If you want performance, then the TMs still perform very well at low FPS but externally they can be lacking slightly. The inverse is true for G&P, so they're the two ends of the spectrum. Lately there's been a lot of talk about Krytac as they're quite good.

When you get into that sort of money it's very, very subjective. We could tell you what to avoid though purely spec. wise, but up that high you're probably putting money into the external look too (again, very much up to you). My opinion: Pick up a nice looking something like a G&P and then have enough left over for some mags before spending on it over a 6 month period because the internals aren't brilliant. Out of the box, maybe a non-EBB Marui, high cycle or something second hand.

Some do, others don't. This is kind of the thing - 'milsim' is a catch-all term for anything that isn't normal skirmishing. It can be as little as the banning of high-cap magazines/ammo limit and some more team based objectives for a round, right up to full on 'uniform required', real-cap magazines, roleplaying by designated actors and more.

You're right, but realistically speaking the things are one in the same if you're under 18 as parents would be likely buying it anyway.

You've already opened a new thread and now you're posting here again? Please have some patience - people do other things besides visit the forums.

Same as all IFs and RIFs - cannot be owned if you're under the age of 18, though you can get your parent to buy one for you as you say.

Er, what's your point? You've just said you have no alternative if you can't rent. A lot of people buy new furniture that isn't painted - i.e. new handguard and stock (not more than £50) or use the power spray. Again, it does work even with Krylon 2-tone jobs, but it takes a long time and a lot of people just give up or complain that it's not working.

Power Spray always works, but it's painfully slow. A lot of people end up buying new furniture when they get their site membership, but there's no way around it in your situation.

They work a lot better than the fibre optic ones (which get crap reviews even on the real steel things too). The G&P ones use two LR44s - buy a pack of a decent-ish brand from eBay. They're about £3 for six delivered.

That's a bit harsh - I've yet to meet a milsim player who's ever tried to pretend (outside of their games) that they're something they're not. I do find it hilarious that anyone can spend so much on a pair of trousers or look at a £500 plate carrier and think 'yep, I need this over a £80 replica' regardless of their income, but if that's their way of finding enjoyment then I can see why and certainly wouldn't hate them for it. I mean there are plenty of people who just go to normal skirmishes who spend excessive amounts on gear but I think we're all just pointing fun at an unrealistic stereotype that's not conducive to the majority number of milsimmers. It's all toy guns in the end.

Rainier Arms Raptor? I have the same on my M4 - great charging handle.

That and MOSCARTs are kinda crap and a lot of work to keep free. That's why the Marui one is a good idea for many people as the gas is stored in the launcher, not the grenades. A lot of fun, but £200 fun? Na.

Yep, I believe this thread to be in good faith and poking fun at those with a little more money than sense. It's not my cup of tea but I'd hate to tar all of milsim with the same brush.

Don't even get me started on the costs of some plate carriers and helmets. Some people need other things to spend their money on, heh.

Yep - it's insane. Don't use in stock TM pistols.

If your trousers cost more than your gun then you're probably playing milsim.

As said above. A G&G CM16 is the cheapest rifle you can get - anything cheaper is not worth having. Get two tone, maybe some camo tape to conceal it for your first couple of games and then remove paint with Fairy power spray or switch out the furniture with some that hasn't been painted.

I've really not seen anything to prove it performs any better than say Guarder Powerful at those temperatures. I tried to run my M4 at the start of this year and it was pretty horrible - it has a fully steel bolt and it's the WA system so it's not the most innovative thing ever, but I can say that the Powerful gas did perform better than the 3.0 (don't think their 4.0 stuff was available at the time). I mean Smart Gas sells itself as being a 'low temperature gas' on the can, but it's sure as hell not close to Nuprol 3.0 or Guarder Powerful in terms of power. The bit about it working between 3-10 degrees isn't backed up by anything but the claim on their can and Facebook page. As far as I can tell the Guarder Powerful stuff is just that - more powerful and the larger cans are compressed even more. Although this probably isn't that case for you, it does disappoint me that Nuprol's very basic advertising pitch has been eaten up so readily by so many people. We've seen their BBs are naff yet people still buy them, and I don't think their regular gas has ever been any better than, say, Abbey Ultra.

Anything above Nuprol '2.0 is extremely overpriced though. That 4.0 is what £20 a can? That's more than Guarder Powerful and that stuff is most certainly harder kicking that Nuprol.

I didn't even read that sentence - that was dumb, sorry OP. Ignore my recommendation.

'Cheap and good' - that's what literally everyone is after, heh. Don't get cheap Bulldogs, they're utter shite. Take the advice - don't go too cheap when it comes to BBs or you'll do damage elsewhere. Look to spend around £2 per 1000 (for 0.2g) and no less or you're probably not getting anything any good, though I'd recommend spending more unless you're a high-cap hero. I know plenty would recommend ASG Blasters and G&G stuff - they're not expensive either. Nuprol can be a bit hit-and-miss as some people have received bad batches so I'd avoid despite the fact that they're very quick and easy to buy what with every retailer stocking them these days for some reason. If you're indoor then don't bother with biodegradable unless your site requires you to as they are generally more money and pointless. Outdoor I'd be responsible and use them, but that's your choice (or the site's, as it may be). I'd recommend Green Devil or BioSphere.

G&P do both standalone and rail/barrel mounted. AFAIK, they have the biggest selection out of any of the manufacturers when it comes to grenade launchers: http://www.gp-web.com/en/products.php?did=GPWEB&cid=GP_AIR&bid=GP_GRE&cp=1

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