Sacarathe

GoPro junior chesty, roll on fun times.

When you look at it logically you have a toy that is considerably less powerful than most airguns that don't have the same hoops as you can walk out to a shop right now and buy a semi auto air gun. They have the hoops purely because it looks like something more dangerous and its for airsoft and not another similar hobby like paintball. That doesn't really make any logical sense, a gun that is dangerous you can just buy but something that can't remotely kill someone requires proof you intend to use it in the appropriate places? These laws and the application of them wasn't really about actually making things safer, it was about being seen to do something. Its easy enough to make the argument that any reasonable skirmisher should be able to meet these requirements yearly and a new player doesn't have to wait very long at all. Just joining a rifle club with a police check can take 6-8 weeks these days so its not like 2 months is out of the question for an industry run scheme.
 
The hoop however distorts the retail market. Either making rental guns far more important and lucrative than they would otherwise be and causing the sale of a lot of two tone weapons as temporary replacements. You could argue the current system is very much advantageous to the retailers because they often get to sell two guns purely because of UKARA and how they interpreted the law. I don't think its a really arduous hoops, its mostly impacting on new people coming into the hobby and making it more expensive for them to do so by about £100 where I am (either the gun is ~£100 or rental at £30 a game). Having to lump down rental money for 2 months or buy a beginners two tone isn't awful but its also increasing revenue to the airsoft stores and sites.
 
Then what wolfarmouries does is allow you to buy a RIF from them and they will bring it along to any game you prebook, so you can avoid the rentals and still use your gun in games. That is great, its also a wonderful way to ensure all players at Bunker 51 have to buy their gun from them, helping to make them much cheaper overall than their competitors even if they are charge more for the gun itself. That is just another little application of the implications of this minor hoop that makes stores that run sites and run a similar scheme get to increase their yearly sales a little even if they are more expensive than the others.
 
Its not that the hoops are really bad, I don't think its reasonable to argue against the 2 month minimum or the 3 game yearly limit they are in my mind perfectly reasonable measures. But we also have to recognise that some sites charge for getting the UKARA form stamped for a yearly membership to their site as well, just another way in which UKARA is used. We do have to recognise it distorts the retail and site market and its being used to fleece us of more cash, and puts a barrier in the way for new players who are disadvantaged by it.

There aren't any VCRA compliant colours which can be even slightly dark, even blue is technically a no-no but lots of manufacturers and retailers get away with it.
Just cover your gun up with removable camo tape before a skirmish and take it off afterwards, camo or sniper tape is a non-permanent modification, making it legal under the VCRA.

just bought today G&G CM16
 
Entry level ( im sure someone will have something to say about that !? )
 
still looks good , FPS is well above the AK12 , ROF is great compared to the AK12 , im very happy with it, at least it will give me more of a fighting chance, and just to clarify . I dont and wont hide all/ever game only when its required ! i will be right up the front taking my hits and dishing them out! hopefully i will see some of you one day you never know ? it would be great to put faces to names and all that.
 
Gareth

I love my Mechanic Fastfits, they give you so much dexterity and freedom of movement- hand hits hurt quite a bit but they're only occasional

It makes me laugh when people advertise anything as 'brand new but only used once'
 
soon as you buy something, it's no longer brand new but 2nd hand

This is not the same thing, this is people who "want GUN", rather than "want GUN:[make/model/condition]".

More or less there and still over 2 and a half months to go. Can still fit some players in though if people want to play.

I replied to a few, but from now I on I will not.

All of these are in stock right now:
 
Tokyo Marui VSR:
http://www.zerooneairsoft.com/product_info.php?products_id=1837
http://www.fire-support.co.uk/product/marui-vsr10-pro-sniper-rifle
http://airsoftzone.co.uk/vsr-10-pro-sniper-spring-rifle-tokyo-marui?filter_name=Vsr
http://bombupairsoft.co.uk/products/tokyo-marui-vsr-10-g-spec
 
Tokyo Marui L96 AWS:
http://www.zerooneairsoft.com/product_info.php?products_id=5317
http://www.fire-support.co.uk/product/marui-l96aws-black-stock-sniper-rifle

Most of the time yes. Ive replied to a few over the years and when asking for a defence to purchase they either dissapear or sling a load of abuse at you.

Welcome to the forum.
 
Airsoft is great for meeting people.
 
Ive met lots of people since I started playing a couple of years back.
 
Its not necessary to run about and there is a good social scene once you get established.
 
I discovered within a year or so that I prefer milsims to skirmishes and I belong to a group that plays three milsims a year around the M25 orbit with the option for other stuff in between.

Or you could just buy a black bear rampage mask.

No, Firearms certs dont work for buying airsoft guns unfortunatly. Stupid but true.

Wrong. Its completely fine to carry an airsoft gun in public as long as its concealed in a bag or case. People regularly use the train or tube wearing combats and carrying gun bags.It only becomes an offence if you take the gun out and start waving it around in public. You can even carry it in the box it comes in.
I really wish people wouldnt keep giving out duff info.

You've inspired me to have a go now.
 
The reason I asked is because I don't get on with mesh lowers because they contact around the jaw and cheek bones, which for me means the mesh grates up and down on my face and the bridge of the nose pushes my goggles up and down when talking/running/open mouth breathing etc.
also like you say, you can't look down to see your mag pouches because the bottom of it hits your collarbone. But having said that getting shot in the teeth is never fun, and I've plenty of spares to tinker with.

i'll bite, it's fun to shoot someone with a significantly cheaper or less cool gun because it's a combination of under-dog satisfaction and if it actually pisses them off more than being hit by a 1k gun theres the sadistic pleasure of kicking over someones ego sand-castle a bit.
 
it's like a safe way to be a douche-bag, if they get pissed of by it because they're a douche-bag who cares about the difference then you can feel free to be a douche-bag and revel in their fury.
 
quite similar to asking 'why' when you have a suspicion someones being a douchebag really hehe
 
/end troll

Oh dear, my literal interpretation again.

Generally hire is £15-£30. Starter guns are £150. Theres nothing wrong with two tone guns - just remember that the colours varies between retailers, you don't have to have blue/orange.
 
EDIT: Good starter guns*

Hey peeps, had my account for a while but due to the arrival of my children I was unable to get into the sport... I am based in sussex so if anyone can suggest a good site it would be appreciated!
Also , I'm a shift worker and so being able to go to the same site 3 times could take a loooong time. I get the whole ukara defence thing. Do you guys think hire and play until I'm on the register ( ukara that is lol) or go two tone?
 
Cheers guys!

Why?

Think he might of missed out the word, case or bag.

Believe it or not, there are people who can hit with the first shot. The trick is to not to shoot until you know you can hit. These people did spent hours on a range, setting the hopup, the optics, finding the best BB weight and brand, fine-tuning the gun, and learning what their gun can do. Then spent many many games learning to stalk, to use cover, to learn how to out think the opponent, fine-tuning the gear every single game and reading about it between games.
 
There is a play style like that and there is the one with lots of BBs, high ROF and no sights on the gun at all, and everything in between. I made a lot of first shot hits and I took many showers of BBs too. There is no superior way. You feel success if you are successful with your chosen play style. Success in airsoft is not measured by others or by who wins an objective. It's only measured by how much fun you have.

Snobbery is all about thinking your way is best and the rest is just ignorant/unskilled. There's lots of it in air-soft, perhaps the need to appear professional/bad-ass is common due to essentially playing cowboys and indians as an adult fuels it.
 
"Why don't you just use this pro tactic?" especially when accompanied by claims of being awesome in some manner, is one that can makes you want to violently disprove someones ego. But as mr trigger happy says this too is paradoxically (i wont use the word irony incorrectly for once) an act of snobbery because you want to correct them because you similarly think you are right.
 
These days I try to find such things hilarious rather than irritating, poke fun rather than rant. Possibly more arrogant, but definitely more enjoyable for all.
 
Samurai got it perfectly, one best things i've read on these forums tbh, shame there isn't a 'super-like' button or something. There's many styles/ways to play and until they make a compulsory UK airsoft league then the only way to quantify success is by the amount of enjoyment.
 
As for 'shoot when you know you can hit' and 'why use high rof', that doesn't help the rooms full of guys in full camo gear when i burst through the doorway they came in through and thanks to 25rps shoot them all before they've started returning fire (a best-case scenario usually ending somewhere in between and me getting shot by 5 people at once after taking out 2-3 of them, assuming i've even made it into the room). But it probably helps them a lot when playing woodland and they've just spotted opp players moving in the distance. Time and a place for everything, as we all seem to agree there's no universal standard or situation