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Noooo, a stubby m4 with a box mag, & you want to upgrade before you've used your gun...........😱

You wanna play or you want to tinker ? If it's your first gun you can't do both, get a gun for playing, AND LEAVE IT ALONE UNTIL SOMETHING BREAKS. & maybe get something cheap, from the boneyard section, plenty of online tutorials for gearboxes, etc. If your try tinkering with your first gun, & it then dies on its first outing, you lose money, green fees, travel costs, & a wasted day.

That's on me, he had it in the sale section, AND the swaps section, which as everybody who bothers to read the rules knows, is..........

I asked how much for some of what he's smoking and now the advert's gone. 🤔

As others have posted, forget about upgrades till you've used the gun and know what, if anything, needs improvement. Often the biggest improvement in performance can be gained by using heavier bbs. Stubby M4s can be made by changing everything forward of the red line but tbh with the amount of stubby M4s available it would be cheaper and easier to just buy a shorter M4. Seconded, but then I am a complete fanboy for German guns, especially H&K. As I understand it it's the high cap P90 mags that have feeding issues and sticking with mid caps solves these problems. If you want something to tinker with then definitely get a second gun (boneyard or not). You really don't want to find yourself at 1:00am the night before a skirmish with your gun in bits or not working as you want

If I remember rightly, the cheaper ones (CYMA/Cybergun/Double Bell/JG) have bodies made of ABS plastic which isn't as strong or nice feeling as the nicer polymer ones such as Tokyo Marui, King Arms, (I think) Novritsch and Krytac. The cheaper ones tend to be new for about £100-£150 depending on brand. King Arms (if you can find them) and TM are in a middle ground of pricing about £200-£250. Novritsch also makes a P90 called the SSR90 which is about £300. Krytacs tend to be on the more expensive end I think. As for mags i've always stuck with King Arms 100 round ones as I bought a box set of them when I got my P90, never had an issue with them feeding in CYMA, Cybergun or a King Arms P90. CYMA make 70 rounders, JG also make 100 round mags. There are higher capacity "MAG" branded ones that are 150 rounders but they tend to be hard to find and expensive when you do. Finally, Novritsch also has 100 round P90 mags. As @Tackle mentions, you can get a M4 magazine adapter so you can bypass this issue completely. It costs anywhere from £30-£50 depending on the retailer.

I want to play mainly and would be using whatever I get for the next few of sessions I have coming up unmodified. I just wanted to more find out if I could modify an M4 type to be a stubby and if it would effect the gun significantly in a negative way, I feel that would be a fun project in the future and like I said, I like to tinker. The choice between the ar9 style and m4 style is mainly one of size and as I was seeing cheap M4s new my thinking was that I could go the M4 route now and later down the road make it more to my liking whilst bagging some knowledge. Not a box mag on a stubby m4, I meant a box mag on the Reaper as the 'highcap' for them is something like 200 rounds which is less than half the capacity of a high cap m4 mag. Though now that you say that I might just do it and after that a belt fed P90...

Tbh, if you've tried a p90 & fit is good, you'll not go far wrong with a TM, but forget p90 mags, a laylax p90 box mag is a much better option, high capacity & centre of balance remains good. Or even smaller, a magpul pdr-c, but their not cheap & getting hard to find.

100% 👌🏻 Light and compact, ergonomic, magazines are half the size of a STANAG, plenty of options for stocks and handguards, rail mounts, etc.

No worries, we get it. tinkering can be as much fun as playing. You can chop down or replace the barrel and handguard of any M4, it's a question of how neat you want it to look, or how much you want to spend in order to end up with a gun that you could have bought in the first place. I'd agree that anything more than 6" is just bragging when it comes to barrels for a ~1.1J AEG But can we establish whether it's length or weight that we're talking about? If it's weight, then a basic dirt cheap CYMA M4 with a 260mm inner comes in at 1.7kg - that's not a recommendation to get one, because the plastic is only "high density" compared to a milk carton. But they do work, and it illustrates that barrel length isn't the deciding factor for weight. For example, 370g and £45 more gets you a 240mm barrel Specna Arms that absolutely wrecks the CYMA for features, with much better hand-feel - you really need to find reasons not to buy something like this, given the spec and price. If it's handiness you're after, I rate MP5s. Jing Gong plastic MP5s come in at or under 2kg, and MP5 mags don't tend to have the same compatibility issues as "AR9" / "AR45" sticks mags. Heck, G36Cs have great ergos, are all plastic, and you can bin off the stock entirely if you want to shave every gram. Or why not just go for a P90, if that's what tickles your fancy. There's really no need to limit yourself to M4s/ARs, unless that platform is what you really want. Airsoft is a heart-over-head hobby, don't get too caught up in what's sensible.

Just picked up my new SD Love it old school and "clean", but an Aimpoint, BT Tri Rail, torch and grip have made me fall in love!

It you're looking for a rif to tinker with & learn to 'mod', why not buy any number of two tones advertised in the classifieds? They all work in pretty much the same way but with different quality of parts. Better to screw up a £50-100 plinker than buy a dearer rif then spend wads upgrading it with little to no knowledge and being left with a bag of bits.

You can change the barrel and handguard on any M4 to the desired length, but you're just starting out so you're better off with an off the shelf short gun. Go for polymer receivers too, they save a lot of weight and cost. Evolution is decent, on par with Specna and Dboys (their polymer body series all come from the same factory, so pick whatever you like). I would personally stay away from the 9mm platform unless you REALLY like the looks, magazines tend to be kind of bad and they're not always cross compatible between brands, whereas regular M4 mags are essentially universal, plus you have plenty of options depending on budget. On the technical side, barrel length doesn't do much in terms of range/accuracy so I wouldn't think too much about it (all my V2 based guns have barrels 155/185mm long).

Welcome, I've not heard of the gun mentioned, that could be a good or a bad thing, but someone will be along soon to enlighten us. As for altering an m4, why, when there are already lots of stubby models available off the shelf (& often in the classifieds here), & they'll be set up to perform pretty much at the best of their abilities. Alternatively there are plenty of other models available with short foregrips & sliding stocks, mp5k pdw's, G3 sas or mc51 immediately come to mind, I'm sure there's lots of others. Edit: since posting, I had a quick skim in the classifieds here: https://airsoft-forums.uk/classifieds/category/4-electric-rifles/ First couple of pages saw loads of possible contenders, & at good prices for a starter gun

Lasted long 😂 Its baaaaaaack

SSO inspired Arcturus AK12 I "built"

In case people have missed it. guarder have been busy posting updates on new gen5 upgrades. Their lightweight BBU will be less that 10g 🤯 I reckon we’ll see complete new generation lowers with trades by the end of the year. i also reckon it will be quicker to buy and assemble a complete guarder kit than wait for Marui to reproduce a gen5. the last 2 gen4s I’ve built have been complete guarder builds and they’re almost drop in kits. So I imagine the gen5 will be similar.

As you may guess, I like my AKs.... Top to bottom... Arcturus AK12 Arcturus AK74 Custom TM Recoil AK74 WellPro PPK20 E&L AK AKMS Specna Arms AK with.... A few external mods..