What sniper to buy? SnippaaWiffaaa

[Mos]

Hi,

 

So, after spending some time thinking, I think a sniper would be cool. I've looked at some snipers. I believe there are 3 types - Spring, Gas, and electric. This is my view on the 3 (Tell me if I am wrong, that's cool!) Spring : Not many things can break. If it does break, it is easier to say what is wrong. Unlike the multitude of parts that make up an electric gun. Also, they seem easily upgradeable - upgrade the spring and, well, that's almost it? And I like the idea of pulling back a bolt.

 

Gas: I've ruled out gas, as England is cold, and due to the chemistry behind it, gas seems to fault under this cold climate.

 

Electric: Too many things can go wrong. Electric only has the use in automatic or quick firing. Auto is not required on a sniper.

 

From my research and thinking, I think Spring is the way to go. I'd quite like to know if I am wrong, as this will expand my knowledge and help me buy the correct gun.

 

I know there are upgrading kits for both snipers, but I think there is a hidden reason to me why one sniper is better than the other.

 

These are the two models I've looked at:

TM VSR10 PRO (£180) (Out the box FPS: w/ .2g 275-300

 

UTG SHADOW OPS L96 (£120) (Out the box FPS: w/ .2g = 500 & .4 = 340

 

(Scopes may be separate circa £60)

 

Something seems wrong, the TM which I've seen lots of good reviews about is firing slowly compared to the UTG. Is it simply in need of a spring upgrade kit to bring it to 500 FPS or so, there is also a UTG upgrade kit to bring that to 500 fps too. I would definitely upgrade, considering the small fee of £30. Please could you say which one is best to buy and why. Thanks.

 

 

fyi: I have a M4 & CXP08 (AEG) So this sniper will be a secondary weapon.

[Sacarathe]

You said the UTG already has 500 FPS. Either you're mistaken, or unaware of the effect increased weight does not have on muzzle force (Increased weight reduces muzzle velocity, but muzzle force remains the same).

 

The reason a weapon's FPS is chonographed is to work out muzzle force in relation to the weight of the BB used, everyone tests with 0.20g. If you increase the BB weight, the FPS reading drops. If you compare the new FPS reading to the BB weight you get a mostly the same result as the comparison of FPS with 0.20g.

 

http://www.airsoftsniperforum.com/

 

http://www.airsoftsniperparts.com/

EDIT:

This post was definitely edited, but before the subsequent 09:56 PM post appeared

[Mos]

Thanks, real good link there pal.

[Sacarathe]

Thanks that's a nice link, here's a link for you to check out.

 

https://en.Wikipedia...me(Default_song)

 

No problem!

[Mos]

Good to share a bit of banter

[Mos]

Yeah, using .2g bb's will give a high number, I understood that. Seems as the TM is in favour. TM + Upgrade kit = Beast.

Btw, what sort of FPS should I be hitting with .4's?

Thanks

 

(Yes, I edited that 'banterous' reply, as I thought the link was useless, then checking, it wasn't lol)

[sp00n]

You forgot HPA, all the benefits of gas, but without the drawbacks. (Excluding the tank you would have to have somewhere)

 

I have a mancraft kit fitted in my vsr g spec, dead easy to set my fps, which is fantastically consistent

[Mos]

Yeah, that is an option. I'd rather go with spring though. Can anyone link me a stock TM VSR10 spring sniper? Which is upgradeable. I'm certain on it now. Not sure where to look though..

[proffrink]

JG BAR-10 if you are going to completely upgrade it; TM VSR-10 if you're not.

 

Use Google man. We're not a replacement for light manual labour.

[Jedi_Master]

School is out for half term, so getting the kids to do any homework or research themselves is going to be hard.

[Mos]

Ok, thanks. I won't fully upgrade. As you'll be spending like 200 quid on upgrades? Was just going to buy some 20 quid ebay upgrade kit...

[proffrink]

Don't bother then; it won't compete. The TM VSR is your best bet if you still really want one for some reason though.

 

An upgrade kit that cheap will either be inconsistent or destroy your sear. Upgrading any springer is rarely as simple as replacing a spring.

[Mos]

Oh, If I upgraded the spring to a high spec spring, I'd have to upgrade everything else right? How much money do you think I'd have to spend to compete? Thanks even though I am annoying

[dex]

Bottom line: if you want a spring sniper with range, accuracy and reliability then you will have to invest time, money and/or effort. Often all three to get it right. End of story. If you arent prepared to pony up, stick to AEGs.

[proffrink]

Oh, If I upgraded the spring to a high spec spring, I'd have to upgrade everything else right? How much money do you think I'd have to spend to compete? Thanks even though I am annoying

There are a bajillion guides that explain this in more depth than I could even if I sat here writing for an hour, but dex has basically answered this.

 

If you want a figure I'd say £250-300 ontop of the donor.

[TacMaster]

Alternatively, sort a DMR out using HPA or buy one second hand.

 

DMRs have a lower FPS limit and a smaller minimum engagement distance, however you'll have quick follow up shots as they're semi automatic opposed to bolt action rifles. You won't get singled out and targeted by players on the other team as a DMR can look like any other rifle, and due to DMRs being semi auto you'll have far more firepower than a guy with a sniper rifle.

 

Sniper rifles are pretty cool and may be quieter if you're looking for stealth though.

[Guest PT247]

yup, add £400 on to cost of gun and you'll have a nice shooter.

[Dannn]

As spoon says HPA is way more consistent, I'm about to start my Mancraft build as its the way to go if you want the ultimate in sniper performance

[Mos]

Okay, I know what to do cheers

[Mos]

Change of plans. Me and my brother have two platforms, m4 and CXP. We're gonna use the m4 as a platform to build up from. And kind of make the m4 into a sniper. Well sort of... I mean, make it more powerful. It'd be pretty cool if you could snipe with an m4. Now I know, if you upgrade the gun so much, it could reach high ranges of FPS such as 450 fps with .2g, well, you could then just step the weight up to .3 and hopefully you should come closer to the site's maximum speed. Also, increasing the accuracy and pain (lol). I hope this idea works out. If this is a bad idea please say, and if there is anything to be wary of, please note me on it! (I haven't gone to depth on the idea) thanks.

[Sacarathe]

Now I know, if you upgrade the gun so much, it could reach high ranges of FPS such as 450 fps with .2g, well, you could then just step the weight up to .3 and hopefully you should come closer to the site's maximum speed.

 

 

 

So, you're not ignorant, just you don't read what people say, read my previous post again, you cannot just use heavier ammunition like that.

 

The FPS is just a way of observing muzzle force. Taking an FPS reading and not caring about BB weight is the height of fallacy - one reason I'm not going to bunker 51 ever again.

 

 

 

 

Also, increasing the accuracy and pain (lol). I hope this idea works out. If this is a bad idea please say, and if there is anything to be wary of, please note me on it! (I haven't gone to depth on the idea) thanks.

Why would you want to cause more pain? :S

 

FYI, airsoft guns fall into three power brackets, usually defined (at 0.2g BB) as "automatic 328-350 FPS and below", "Semi only 15-30m MED 350-425(sometimes 450) FPS" and "bolt action 30m MED 425-500 FPS".

 

So really, unless you're planning to cheat to play in a different bracket, forget about causing more pain on other people.

[Jedi_Master]

I do not think that you have actually thought any of this through, or done any searching on the forum for previous threads or information.

 

A sniper rifle is a specific and specialist weapon platform. A semi-auto Dedicated Marksman Rifle (DMR) has a different role. The increased fps limits of these guns incur a Minimum Engagement Distance (MED) for a simple reason, safety.

 

Site fps limits are the maximum limit for weapon types, all based on 0.20g BB. You do not load heavier BB into your magazine at chrono to lower your fps to the site limit, that is called using a 'Hot Gun' and is against the ethics of airsoft sportsmanship (we are not here to cheat, and we take our hits) and would break the site fps rules. As for causing more pain, playing CQB with 0.20g at close range can really hurt, break the skin, cause welts, split lips, etc. So deliberately loading heavy BBs just for shits and giggles (lol) and trying to use a hot gun is both irresponsible and potentially dangerous.

[Mos]

Pain was a joke .-. Maybe I'll quit the jokes I understand that if you fire a 0.2g bb out your gun and it's speed was 450fps. If you then fire a 0.3g bb out your gun it will not fire at 450 fps. It's speed will decrease. I completely understand that. No doubts. If I was to make this m4 a beast, and say it could fire 0.3g bbs at 340 which is site legal for assault rifles. Is this disallowed due to the weight being heavy. And I understand if I used .2 bbs at 450 fps, I'd have to use as a DMR with whatever minimum combat engagement range.

 

EDIT Just read your post, and I understand now. What a hot gun is. I guess DMR is the only option. (Also I completely support the airsoft game, and do not agree with cheating, nor do I agree with inflicting pain on others)

[Sacarathe]

If I was to make this m4 a beast, and say it could fire 0.3g bbs at 340 which is site legal for assault rifles. Is this disallowed due to the weight being heavy.

No, it is disallowed for another reason, already stated (twice).

EDIT Just read your post, and I understand now. What a hot gun is. I guess DMR is the only option. (Also I completely support the airsoft game, and do not agree with cheating, nor do I agree with inflicting pain on others)

You mean re-read right? Also my objection was to "inflicting increased pain" not inflicting pain.

[TacMaster]

Do you not understand any of this?

 

If you have an AEG which fires 0.20g at 450 FPS, then simply loading 0.30g or heavier BBs into it will not make it 'site legal'. It just simply means you're cheating the chrono.

 

Buy yourself a CYMA or G&G M14, stick a tightbore and/or an M120 spring in it and have it locked to semi automatic. That's a cheap and easy DMR which can be improved upon later.