Upgrade my M4 or buy new?

[Sitting Duck]

Gun should have a cheap metal gearbox, some dragon's have plastic or metal boxes

But it is a very basic box the gen 1's

 

These gen 1 SRC's are way behind ICS n G&G's in the £150 range of guns.

It isn't that dire, use it, maybe a service but really don't go nuts on it is all I'm saying

Step up to the next level or two

Either a good new G&G or Krytac M4

[Reece_Spurs]

Just realised my biggest problem, no UKARA.. Considering both my current guns are now RIF's due to paint and part changes, I actually forgot I can't even buy them without the ukara license. Ffs.

 

Guns going to go on hold for the meantime, not buying a 2 tone again, no way, whats the closest skirmish sight to north london? Does wolf armouries have a site nearby? Gonna get that ukara then buy a gun!

[Esoterick]

True but if you buy one then I reckon you will probably end up looking at the HK's and Scars and wish you had spent a bit more.

Did you really consider them when you bought your recce?

 

I was looking at the M4s for my second recoil shock until I saw how the Recce rifle looks with some nice rail covers and optics on it(it looks awful stock IMO)

 

Personally I don't like the HK417 they have released as it looks better shorter, I already have a HK416 and I don't like the look of the SCARs as much as I used to. Just a shame you can't get the 416 with trades anymore as blank receivers look a bit generic to me.

[ImTriggerHappy]

 

I was looking at the M4s for my second recoil shock until I saw how the Recce rifle looks with some nice rail covers and optics on it(it looks awful stock IMO)

 

Personally I don't like the HK417 they have released as it looks better shorter, I already have a HK416 and I don't like the look of the SCARs as much as I used to. Just a shame you can't get the 416 with trades anymore as blank receivers look a bit generic to me.

Theres a few companies that will etch them in but its not cheap. I like the Scar h in black but not a big fan of the tan ones.

[Esoterick]

Theres a few companies that will etch them in but its not cheap. I like the Scar h in black but not a big fan of the tan ones.

 

Tan guns just make me think of Caramac lol. The Scar H does look beastly but then you have to go down the route of buying new mags and pouches.

[Sitting Duck]

Not fair coz of your m14

 

Cyma's make good M14's too but the hop often breaks and you can't just get it replaced as easy as AK G36 or M4

 

CYMA AK

JG G36

G&G M4

 

this 3 produce very good excellent value for money guns in their specialist field

 

You buy any non run of the mill gun ballpups for example, F2000, plus some others with bespoke box or hop and it is a gamble and limited places to source replacement bits for it

 

Yes it is nice to have a gun a bit different from the heard

But comes with some risks, some are a bit more riskier than others

Always look into getting it repaired before you actually buy it. Like a car - jap cars or really cheap cars sound lovely until you get the parts for them.

Honda's bikes n cars are never really cheap to maintain compared to other makes

 

Your M14 is a similar example perhaps

[Reece_Spurs]

Not fair coz of your m14

 

Cyma's make good M14's too but the hop often breaks and you can't just get it replaced as easy as AK G36 or M4

 

CYMA AK

JG G36

G&G M4

 

this 3 produce very good excellent value for money guns in their specialist field

 

You buy any non run of the mill gun ballpups for example, F2000, plus some others with bespoke box or hop and it is a gamble and limited places to source replacement bits for it

 

Yes it is nice to have a gun a bit different from the heard

But comes with some risks, some are a bit more riskier than others

Always look into getting it repaired before you actually buy it. Like a car - jap cars or really cheap cars sound lovely until you get the parts for them.

Honda's bikes n cars are never really cheap to maintain compared to other makes

 

Your M14 is a similar example perhaps

Thanks for the advice mate, again, this site has been like a bible to me for learning

 

But surely a brand new gun should come like this? Surely they test fire it before sending? If this had happened even 6 months after heavy use i'd kinda get it, but not straight from the box?

[Sitting Duck]

Cyma m14' can suffer a crap hop and often need to get returned. They had them on silly offer at gunfire and was tempted to get one for a mofo dmr.

But reading up a bit I thought nah

I will stick most of my boring run of the mill stuff and cheap to maintain when I break em

[ImTriggerHappy]

 

Tan guns just make me think of Caramac lol. The Scar H does look beastly but then you have to go down the route of buying new mags and pouches.

But its worth it. I have no problem with difficult to deal with guns I bought a Sig and thats a pain in the arse. Tempted to sell it but know I will miss it if I do.

[Sacarathe]

Theres a few companies that will etch them in but its not cheap. I like the Scar h in black but not a big fan of the tan ones.

 

Indeed, they might be real steel colours, but is it necessary to have so many shades.

[sp00n]

£400 is a lot of money, and can buy you alot of gun .... for instance (in the HPA world)

 

for £430 you could get a tippmann m4 HPA setup (beesting airsoft)

for £405 you could get a polarstar Jack kit to put into the SRC (its its compatable)

 

my honest advise

 

go with a G&G Combat Machine with battery etc, put the rest of your £££ aside for now and see where airsoft takes you.

 

myself i have just put the above polarstar jack setup into my 3 year old G&G CM16

 

*disclaimer - i am bias towards HPA setups*

[ImTriggerHappy]

Or if you really want to have an airtank on your back you could just take up diving or become a fireman.

 

*disclaimer-I am not a fan of Scuba Steve 😃

[Sitting Duck]

OK - you have a few options to consider.......

 

G&G M4,

30th GC16 metal is a favorite and Airsoftworld 2-tone is nice snakeskin

New range of G&G M4's look nice bot & srl's come with mosfet's

cheaper Raider from Zero One two toned for free

 

or wait and get skirmishing - see M25 airsoft thread or check new players section - where to play, google London airsoft etc....

get ya ukara and buy a RIF M4

 

Once you got a better budget - actually a good budget M4....

Then you can look at messing with your SRC for a little tweaking - seals/AoE/shimming/ - nothing expensive

(actually if/when you service ya SRC gimme a shout as I highly recomend dump the crap sector gear with its thin teeth)

 

if things don't go according to plan - and it probably won't go completely perfectly on your first box - no biggy

try n try again to learn on it. - failing that if it goes mega tits up either new box or sell as spares in bits on fleabay/facebook etc....

but the experience you gain on that will greatly help when you work on your G&G IF or RIF

you will really appreciate what a decent gun/box that is compared to the jbbg gun and things will go a lot more smoother

 

if you ever get an AK or G36 - yup still common perhaps but you will find the V3 gearbox's a bit easier to work on and test

with their seperate motor frame/cage etc....

 

That SRC isn't complete $hit - still miles better than a B500a1 - and SRC M4 will do anybody proud to start off with

just there are some slightly better makes/models out there - but still not a complete foolish or unwise choice

just with its 6mm bearings/bushings, the trigger stop post broke in one of mine (happens to a couple of different makes of gun btw)

it is worth servicing - just I wouldn't go too nuts with high speed gears/motor etc....

the 2 -part hop can be removed and receiver dremmel'd a bit to take a modern 1 piece hop - but like I said why bother going too mad

 

get shooting - get ukara - and make the next step or 2 steps up, play with src and learn a few things

trust me if you get into it and learn from a few failures - you can start to make & improve your middle range gun

(that to me is the fun/stress but great feeling when now n then you do make a gun better rather than worse)

 

Well that is just my take on this - maybe one day I might go up to top level stuff

but happy as a pig in $hit messing with cheapo stuff whilst I'm very much still learning along the way

[Reece_Spurs]

OK - you have a few options to consider.......

 

G&G M4,

30th GC16 metal is a favorite and Airsoftworld 2-tone is nice snakeskin

New range of G&G M4's look nice bot & srl's come with mosfet's

cheaper Raider from Zero One two toned for free

 

or wait and get skirmishing - see M25 airsoft thread or check new players section - where to play, google London airsoft etc....

get ya ukara and buy a RIF M4

 

Once you got a better budget - actually a good budget M4....

Then you can look at messing with your SRC for a little tweaking - seals/AoE/shimming/ - nothing expensive

(actually if/when you service ya SRC gimme a shout as I highly recomend dump the crap sector gear with its thin teeth)

 

if things don't go according to plan - and it probably won't go completely perfectly on your first box - no biggy

try n try again to learn on it. - failing that if it goes mega tits up either new box or sell as spares in bits on fleabay/facebook etc....

but the experience you gain on that will greatly help when you work on your G&G IF or RIF

you will really appreciate what a decent gun/box that is compared to the jbbg gun and things will go a lot more smoother

 

if you ever get an AK or G36 - yup still common perhaps but you will find the V3 gearbox's a bit easier to work on and test

with their seperate motor frame/cage etc....

 

That SRC isn't complete $hit - still miles better than a B500a1 - and SRC M4 will do anybody proud to start off with

just there are some slightly better makes/models out there - but still not a complete foolish or unwise choice

just with its 6mm bearings/bushings, the trigger stop post broke in one of mine (happens to a couple of different makes of gun btw)

it is worth servicing - just I wouldn't go too nuts with high speed gears/motor etc....

the 2 -part hop can be removed and receiver dremmel'd a bit to take a modern 1 piece hop - but like I said why bother going too mad

 

get shooting - get ukara - and make the next step or 2 steps up, play with src and learn a few things

trust me if you get into it and learn from a few failures - you can start to make & improve your middle range gun

(that to me is the fun/stress but great feeling when now n then you do make a gun better rather than worse)

 

Well that is just my take on this - maybe one day I might go up to top level stuff

but happy as a pig in $hit messing with cheapo stuff whilst I'm very much still learning along the way

Cheers for all the advice mate, and you others that have helped loads, will defintely get to some games asap, not just to get ukara, but to just go and have some fun Been to plenty of paintball games, and love it, bit different, but its essentially the same, big difference is, owning a high end paintball gun isn't nearly as cool as the RIF's out there

 

Do you have any suggestions on higher priced guns? That G&G looks pretty good, but doesnt seem to have a MOSFET and ideally i'd like lipos on my next buy.

 

Going to have a look at those Krytec and tippmans.

[Reece_Spurs]

Currently liking these 2 alot

 

http://www.airsoftworld.net/magpul-m4-masada-acr-tactical-airsoft-rifle-dark-earth.html

 

That one, because I've read good things about this gun, and by the look of the pictures, I could even get it without ukara as the 2 tones parts look changeable.

 

And this

 

http://www.airsoftworld.net/bolt-b4-lrp-airsoft-rifle.html

 

Seems to have a very good write up, and I've seen a video of these bolt EBB rifles and they look awesome! On top of all that, they take lipos which is a massive incentive..

[ImTriggerHappy]

Any airsoft gun should be fine with a 7.4v lipo. Dont pay any attention to the ebb on a gun its a gimick. The masada is ok but you can get better for your money. Dont buy the bolt they have tendency to be a bit fragile.

Get your Ukara membership sorted and get

 

http://www.patrolbase.co.uk/airsoft-m4-m15-m16-variants/krytac-trident-crb-black.htm#.Vco4hXpwbfs

[MxHaze]

Buying a two tone and swapping out the painted parts is a no-no, ukara defence or not.

[MxHaze]

Trigger im begining to think youre on some kind of commission haha

[ImTriggerHappy]

Trigger im begining to think youre on some kind of commission haha

Should be I think I am responsible for more Krytac sales than any of the stores.

Just trying to stop people buying crap guns. I look forward to the day when I turn up for a game and three quarters of the people are not holding combat machines.

[Reece_Spurs]

Buying a two tone and swapping out the painted parts is a no-no, ukara defence or not.

Why?

[Reece_Spurs]

Any airsoft gun should be fine with a 7.4v lipo. Dont pay any attention to the ebb on a gun its a gimick. The masada is ok but you can get better for your money. Dont buy the bolt they have tendency to be a bit fragile.

Get your Ukara membership sorted and get

 

http://www.patrolbase.co.uk/airsoft-m4-m15-m16-variants/krytac-trident-crb-black.htm#.Vco4hXpwbfs

I thought a MOSFET was pretty important if you want to use lipos on a gun? Or is that for a higher voltage than 7.4?

[Aengus]

If you want to use anything higher than 11.v without damaging your gun in the long term get a mosfet.

[MxHaze]

if you buy a two tone it must stay that way. even if you have a ukara defence, you cannot alter a two tone.

 

As trigger said, get your ukara and get that cbr

[ImTriggerHappy]

I thought a MOSFET was pretty important if you want to use lipos on a gun? Or is that for a higher voltage than 7.4?

Its really for 11.1v lipos that a mosfet becomes essential. It doesnt hurt to have one in any gun though. Dont run an 11.1v lipo they are just pointless more for the penis measurers than anything. Only a few people ever set their gun up properly to get the real benefit without it damaging the gun. Use a 7.4v 20c+ lipo its plenty for the real world, at the the end of the day the only shot that counts is the one that hits no need for 25rps.

[MxHaze]

Mosfets protect your trigger contacts from electrical arcing when using high power batteries.

 

Putting a 11.1v lipo in your rifle and pulling the trigger could be all it takes to fudge up your weapon.