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Thanks for the reply's guys. I didn't realise this thread was still going It is a brand new stock TM VSR we have. My son (12) is happy with the range using .28's at the moment, I'm sure we will be upgrading the internals at some point though. My worry with heavier springs is his ability to cock the gun. When/if I get to have a go with the gun in the field I will get a better idea of what needs to be done. Thanks again for all the info, its a learning curve for me.

There is an argument to be made that if you're not going to do anything to a stock boltie then you might be unable to fully hop a heavier BB, or you have to apply so much hop pressure that you drop the muzzle energy to the point where a lighter BB would end up going further. Which is why I was careful to say "starting with the same energy at the muzzle, and assuming that the hop can impart enough spin". The thing is, a stock Tokyo Marui VSR is likely to be shooting at something comically low like 0.72J (280fps with a 0.2g). I'm not sure if OP is rocking a VSR10 clone, or if it's pre-meddled, or if it Joule crept upwards rapidly with heavier BBs. Either way, there's only really two sensible ways to go with it: tune it down to under 1.4J, or up to 2.3J shooting the heaviest BBs that it will hop at that muzzle energy.

he is talking about stock vsr

I have a Tokyo Marui HK416D NGRS, and I am looking for an upgrade of spring for it. I have read online that there is no issue swapping in a stronger spring on stock internals so I do not have to worry about wrecking it, I am just looking for recommendations of springs. There does not seem to be a major selection of springs available, having myself only found these: https://www.combatsouth.co.uk/cyclone-7-m100-spring-for-ngrs-series/ https://eagle6.co.uk/product/eaglesix-m100-spring-for-m4-ngrs-aeg https://www.davescustomairsoft.co.uk/bespoke-airsoft-stel-tek-m100-spring-for-tokyo-marui-next-generation-recoil-shock-series https://www.airsoftwholesaleuk.com/product/fps-m100-100m-s-steel-spring-for-tm-ngrs/ https://www.krale.shop/uk/spring-eagle-6-m100-for-tokyo-marui-ngrs/ I have also found this one which is stated as a TM next gen gearbox use, however from the picture you can see it is a non linear spring. https://www.davescustomairsoft.co.uk/next-gen-hardened-steel-spring-m90-m100-m110 Due to the TM NGRS relying on multiple springs to operate as designed, the spring operating for pushing the piston in a linear spring, and these are also known to be shorter than other AEG springs. I am wondering if there is anyone with experience or has leads on good brand of spring for my scenario. Guarder, PDI and Prometheus do not seem to supply NGRS springs. My intended goal is to squeeze out as much power out of the gun as possible, as Japanese limitations on AEG springs result in TM often running M85, so I wanted to upgrade to something more capable to fling heavier ammo. With possible changes later on such as inner barrel and buckig to aid this, for now I will just try a stronger M100 spring. I have had someone recommend eagle 6 springs but I am wondering if there is someone more informed on the topic to be able to shed some light on this for me. Thanks in advance!

Went to South Coast CQB for the first time in about 8 years yesterday! Overall a good day, but.... Marshalling was pretty woeful, several times the two marshals assigned to our side spent the entire game sat at spawn pissing about with their phones. The other two seemed to be a bit more on the ball so there's that. Lots of whingeing about hit taking but personally I didn't see a problem. I think there's a lot of people whose guns aren't as good as they think they are! The site is a LOT smaller than the last time I went. The whole back half of the site has been fenced off by the landowner (presumably because the buildings are less fucked and able to be rented out). Teams were massively unbalanced and there was no attempt to address it. We got our shit pushed in and spent most of the day within about 100yds of our spawn point (that's on us, I am aware). On the plus side, my SCAR full of @ak2m4's upgrade bits performed excellently, although my MP9 managed to get a BB stuck under the nozzle and went through a kinetic disassembly. Good day overall, not in a massive rush to go back though. There's other sites that are the same/less distance that I'd rather spend my time at.

I am beginning to go deeper down the rabbit hole of airsoft. I have had similar "technical" interests before, and one thing I always remember is how complicated everything is, especially if you want something top tier. What i refer to this time is general tuning and customization of airsoft rifles. So, my question is, are there any big/reputable and good tuners for airsoft in EU where you can send your weapon and they can upgrade them for you? If yes, do anyone have any recommendations? It would be much appreciated fillan

AEG or VSR hop rubbers? My usual preference in this order - flamingo - TM - G&G green

I think you're right. I would've thought they'd take the hint when it didn't sell first time and lower the price rather than put it up Edit: he's clearly a serial piss taker. His advert for a TM 416 has labour included in the list of costs for the upgrade Running it for 25 years? I'm sure I remember them making a big song and dance about having new owners 10 to 15 years ago

I think I'll get around to this eventually when I can borrow some tools from a friend but it might be above my paygrade consideirng I'm a complete ape with hand tools, let alone power 😅 Ordered a VFC AEG/GBB replacement off MLEMart to tide me over until then, as the CM041 is a copy of the VFC MP5 and the exploded diagrams seem to match up part wise. I'll be soft and delicate with the replacement until I get around to tapping the snapped one with a dowel pin so I can go back to roughhousing. I was going to just give up and get the actually available CYMA replacement/'upgrade part', but.. look at the fucking thing 🤢

Didn't find your statement harsh at all. Just a project gun which I will take my time on. Overall just want better reliability at range and snappier trigger response. --- plus so it doesn't sound as 'doo doo' as it does currently when you shoot it compared to my other gear. - I am likely getting carried away with all the gears and piston stuff. So overall, I want reliability at range, snappier trigger. -- which I am expecting your response to be; get a mosfet in there + upgrade barrel and hop. (I will change the motor regardless ) Thanks friend

Hey, first time posting. Do tell me if I have missed something or popped this in the wrong place. Relatively new to the whole upgrading yourself side of things. So here goes. Want to upgrade the Specna Arms SA-C20 CORE (It is completely stock model) as it doesn't feel as good as my other rifles which have been upgraded (not by me). basically a list of all the items im getting and will install in my old gun: Aster v2 Gate SE Expert Quantum Trigger Nuprol High Torque Motor *(Long Shaft) M110 (hoping for under 350fps on .25g Prometheus Purple Hop Rubber Prometheus Inner Barrel 360mm Laylax Outer Barrel 363mm Gate Hop-Up Chamber Hoping this will operate efficient with the base gearset. (Reason being is that I dont really want to get new gears and mess around with removing Teeth. Unless anyone has a recommendation on a 12:1 / 13:1 set that will operate out the box I can drop in.. no tinkering required My question to the wider group is. Will these item function well. Any recommendation (without going over that price bracket (no gate 2) and if it will work well without me having to change the gears. Thanks everyone

Hi Was a great lockdown project but clearing some space. Wondered what anyone thought it was worth or will break for parts. Well MB03 base maple leaf barrel Maple leaf bolt handle CNC 90 degree trigger (forgot the brand bill something) TDC mod cosmetic upgrades tasco 4x scope and upgrades mounts For those that know it is meant to be a copy of the black king rifle from the Netflix series shooter

Anything and everything. Gearbox’s for aegs, mosfets, externals ie polymer or a metal, trade marks etc etc them you may want lots of different types of rifs some are rarer than other. You could prefer gbb. Thing is it’s a wallet issue, a personal preference issue and performance issue. The more you spend the better you would expect to get in terms of quality but that’s not always the case. As @gavinkempsell and @Dan Robinson have said. Start a decent cheap brand when you decide you want to upgrade it makes a decent spare for you or a mate. And if in doubt ask most here will help steer you in the right direction with good rifs and what to absolutely avoid.

the heaver you go up , on a stock vsr you will start to lose range and gain travel time , .28 is probably the sweet spot .30 might be the maximum you could probably use before you start to see longer travel times and less magnus effect

Continuing on from the How Did Your Airsoft Day Go? thread, there is definitely a debate going around about ghillies and leaf suits. With how easy they are now to get and the prevalence of certain big Youtubers, we definitely see a lot more of them now than we did in the past. Also, it used to be just snipers that used them, but now I think I've seen every "type" of airsoft gun in the hands of a ghillie (even LMGs!). While airsoft is a great game because everyone can play however they want, there has been discussion around ghillies and their use in airsoft. From what I can see, the issues that come from it are: Gameplay I'm not going to sugarcoat it, but a large number of ghillies ruins the game for other people. People get disheartened very quickly in airsoft when they leave spawn, head towards the objective and get picked off by some invisible foe. Then they respawn, go elsewhere and the same happens, then the same happens again, and again, and again. Not all ghillies are created equally in this regard and the gameplay can be fine, but it can also get really bad. I've seen a far greater tendency for ghillies to spawn camp, maybe because they can get away with it easier, or maybe because of certain airsoft content creators who get these people into ghillie sniping who do it a lot and present it as legitimate gameplay strategy. Hit taking It can be difficult to feel BB impacts, especially at range, through a heavily crafted ghillie suit. Speaking from experience it's usually pretty obvious when you've been hit unless you're running (though that happens without the ghillie as well), but some people use this excuse to try and get away with just not calling their hits and blatantly cheating. Availability You can buy a Sprinter Custom Ghillie setup and not have to put in any effort yourself. About £725 and you get a full ghillie including trousers and a rifle wrap that is hard-wearing and works wonders, even under IR light (it doesn't glow under nightvision. One of my friends has one and he has never crafted onto it and it works really well. With a little effort, you can cut the costs down a lot, getting something like a Webtex Concealment Vest and cable-tying pre-dyed materials like the KMCS crafting materials or the Novritsch stuff onto it. It's not hard, all it takes is a bit of time. This ease of acquisition increases the number of ghillies out there, as people no longer have to put in the effort they used to, shredding hessian sacks, dyeing the material in a bucket and then sewing it into BDUs or onto a concealment vest. Setups A ghillie suit, especially a well-crafted one, is typically a net positive. They're far lighter than they used to be, they're a lot more breathable and they're far easier to get a hold of. Yes, someone with crap fieldcraft will still be easily spotted and I do so enjoy hunting crappy ghillie players; standing in the open atop a hill with nothing behind you, or simply moving a lot will still get you spotted; it's not an invisibility cloak! However, you'd be seen in regular BDUs as well doing the same, but the difference is if you sit against a tree or a bush in BDUs you are more likely to be seen than someone doing the same in a ghillie. Back in the day, a ghillie tended to mean a bolt action rifle (when I say back in the day, my frame of reference is about 14 - 16 years ago), but nowadays that ghillie might have a totally silent MTW with 7 high caps, a wankergun trigger setup and some ungodly ROF full auto so you can no longer just overwhelm with numbers like you used to as they will just hose everyone down and still possibly go completely undetected I've probably missed a beat, but this is from my perspective as a long time ghillie sniper. I've been doing it since about 2007, so I would like to think I have a lot of experience being the bush (or the grass). There may be things I've missed from the other side of it. As I said earlier, there has to be some concessions now as the combination of these four things above can lead to really crappy gameplay that is just not fun for the majority of players. Furthermore, being a victim of this style of play will make some people quit, but is more likely to make more players start to bleed into this style of gameplay, further increasing the issues. Not everyone wants to wear a ghillie though, and will continue to be a victim of this gameplay because airsoft isn't purely about skirmish. Some players enjoy impression kit, putting together a loadout that perfectly mirrors a real-world unit or time period. Some players enjoy the general dress-up aspect of the hobby and will wear camo that may not work well, but it looks great with their kit. Some players enjoy playing speedy and don't want a ghillie suit snagging on stuff and dragging half the forest floor with them. Some people just... don't like ghillies. All of these are valid playstyles and shouldn't feel oppressed because someone has spent £725 on a full SCG suit and wrap, then also spent £1000 on some swanky MTW setup. It's not quite to the same level, but it's getting closer to the "NVG/thermal vs no NVG/thermal during night games" debate (though I definitely still think that NVGs/thermals are more pay-to-win than ghillies) Anyway, I've rambled enough about problems, because we Brits love to complain about stuff; it's like a national past-time. So, what about solutions? I've got these ones off the top of my head, but there are definitely more possible solutions out there Restrict ghillies to BASRs or DMRs This is the solution that I think works best. If you know that a ghillie is going to have a 30m MED and be very limited on rate of fire, you know that you can overwhelm them with numbers. Also, a lot of people don't like playing with BASRs, and some sites have really, really unfavourable DMR rules (Gunman for example has a 1.48J DMR limit with a 30m MED), so this will also lower the number of players who will go with a ghillie. Yes, there are some intricacies that could be exploited with this. For example, someone can carry a lightweight VSR on a sling and then some sort of HPA mp5k, so it might be a case of also ruling that it has to be a pistol secondary. A full auto GBB like an AAP-01 is very audible and the consistency is crap unless you HPA it (still audible though), a full auto AEP is just as audible as an AEG and a NBB mk23 is quiet, but absolutely sucks for fast shooting, so there are plenty of trade-offs with pistol options. Some sites limit it to just BASRs (like Imperium in Kent), but I think letting DMRs have ghillies as well is fair as you still have that MED to deal with and plenty of real-world snipers use semi-auto platforms, so immersion airsofters like me will still like to have the option to run something like an SR-25 at DMR power and play just like a sniper. I think there's a balancing act here with ruling against fringe cases, but also not over-complicating things as plenty of airsofters either don't like to think, or just aren't very good at it 😂 Limit ghillies You could have limited spaces available to book on a game day for ghillies. Sold separately and no walk-ons. I think this would be really difficult to implement and enforce, but it would put a hard limit on the amount of ghillies in a game. Most milsims will have this because they limit ghillies to only snipers and their paired spotter and have a hard cap on the number of snipers at an event, but I think for skirmish games this would be a mess. Ban all ghillies I mean... it'd solve the problem, right? I personally don't think this is the way forward though as there are plenty of players who legitimately love playing the ghillie sniper role and do so without issue.

Obligatory "oMg nOvrITsCH gNUs ARe sHiT!" Anyway, now that's over, the SSG10 is basically a cost-effective VSR that will perform decently well out of the box. Sure, there are a bunch of upgrades you can do, but they aren't too necessary if you don't want to. TDC is a good shout, as I don't know what the hop unit in the SSG10 is like, but the standard VSR one is crap and the Action Army one is a pain in thearse to adjust. TDC is a good shout and isn't too pricey, maybe a hop rubber to go with it as that's also not too pricey. Also, yes, they're super lightweight. It's probably the best thing about the VSR platform (besides the copious amount of aftermarket parts available)

Today was more of a testing day, but it turned out to be fantastic. Was at Worthing Airsoft for the first game of the year where I... actually felt like the weather was nice. Sun was out and it was about 15 celcius for most of the day, which was absolute bliss. Camo paint on my face again to avoid wearing too much and sweating and fogging up my glasses and it worked well as I didn't get all sweaty at all. The only downside was that it was pretty damn breezy with average wind speeds in the late 20s of mph, so every shot I took was curving pretty nastily. Ah well, it's all good practice. I took a small armoury to the site today with both of my MWSs, my HPA VSR and my KJW m700 as a "if nothing works, I have this" option. The plan was to use my AAP-01 (which hasn't been shot in about a year) and the HPA VSR, as I felt like sniping and I needed to make sure it was shooting well now that it has a 303mm inner barrel with the rest of the 510mm bull barrel filled with foam like a massive 200mm internal suppressor. Used some Silverback foam that fitted perfectly and came in two different internal diameters, so it was large, small, large, small etc. to get the best effect. Oh boy did it work well. I played for the morning, which was one massive game with a LOT of objectives all over the site and that went on until lunch. Took a conservative position under a holly bush overlooking the path, the exact same one I took last game day, and the results were similar. I hit a lot of people and singlehandedly held back about 7 or 8 very determined players who kept coming back to the checkpoint to try and get me. Apparently they were getting rather irate at me and were saying "oh I'm hitting him and he's not taking it" as one of my friends was also there (on the other team) and laughing because he knew where I was and knew they wouldn't be hitting from where they were. Shooting into a holly bush is a pain in the arse, but shooting out of a holly bush is a lot easier. Anyway, I eventually got taken out as I was completely surrounded, couldn't relocate and eventually got shot from behind, so I went back to respawn and rejigged my mags. Empties in the belt kit pouch, full ones in the stock pouch for easy access (I'd gone through 2 of my 6 mags in that spot). I returned and everyone was huddling around our base as they suspected the other team were going to attack, so I decided to crawl into a very sneaky spot under a fallen tree as I wasn't about to push out with my bolt action while all the AEGs were playing passive. It worked out super well as I got a whole load of people from that spot too, including one of my friends who walked right past me and I shot him in the ankle with my pistol. It was amusing as I was taking people out while the enemy team were pretty much on top of me, but nobody could hear the VSR. I was pleasantly surprised that nobody heard the two GBB shots I took with the pistol either. The only frustrating part was that the enemy team did eventually take our base and stole our objectives, then didn't take the hits when I shot them in the back as they were running out with them. It's frustrating, but I'm not going to start going on a tirade about cheating because honestly they probably didn't feel it. Running in the same direction as my shots were coming in and a few of them were backpack hits, so while I don't blame them for it, it's still frustrating. Oh well. My friend eventually came up again and shot me in the back (flanked all the way around the site to get me ), so I headed back to respawn again. I'd gone through about 4 of my mags in total, but the game was basically over. Patrolled around a bit more but didn't shoot anyone else. Was a very fun game, but the spawns were a bit too close together as my only criticism. After lunch I set up the two MWSs, the mk12 as a DMR and the retro build CQBR as a regular rifle. The mk12 needs a bit of work as it wasn't too happy, so I'm going to try a unicorn rubber and sixG nub next, but the retro CQBR build was absolutely phenomenal. Very happy with that and not touching it now. Also I finally zeroed the red dot on my AAP; it's going to take some getting used to as I've always shot with iron sights on pistols, but it's ridiculously easy to shoot accurately with a zeroed red dot on a pistol. I finally get what all those guntubers were talking about when it comes to red dots on pistols... Also, I heard that there were some issues with hit taking through the day. There were some ghillies on the other team with HPA m4s who were laughable in their hit taking, one of them got lit up by an LMG in front of a marshall and didn't call it. We've had similar issues in the past, so what this has caused now is that at Worthing Airsoft they're going to change the rules for ghillies; now if you want to use a ghillie, you have to have a bolt action or DMR. Personally, I really like this rule and could talk for days on why I do, but that's for another time. I remember I had a chat with @Hatchet last game day at Worthing about this exact topic, so... there we go. Problem solved Really looking forward to the next few months of airsoft. The weather is getting better, it's lighter for longer, the sun is higher in the sky and the weight is still coming off. 11kg down from the start of the year and I'm really feeling it. Could've easily played all day today as I wasn't at all tired despite still being pretty overweight (about 35kg more to lose), but I had to set up my MWSs, partially because the short retro MWS build is coming with me to the 'Namsoft games coming up in a few months. Roll on next game day already!

I'm a massive advocate for bipods, but on something lightweight like a VSR it isn't worth it. As @Hatchet said, it almost doubles the weight, or at least it feels like it because it massively shifts the weight of the rifle because it's lightweight by itself, so a large lump of metal near the front makes it front heavy and nasty to handle. For heavier stuff like M14s it's worth it because they're heavier, so harder to hold up for long periods of time anyway, and also because they're heavier the bipod doesn't have such a massive impact on the balance of the rifle, but I wouldn't put one on a VSR unless you get the heavier Maple Leaf stock; the regular stock and receiver setup's strength is that it's so light. The sand sock has been used in the military for a long time. It's basically just a sock that is filled with sand and then tied off so it's a good rifle rest. I liked @concretesnail's idea of getting a tear-off pouch and filling it with soft stuff and then using that as a rest, as that's likely going to be fairly lightweight and can be worn on a belt kit or chest rig so you won't feel the weight much anyway, but will give you a steady place to rest your rifle when in a hide position. Glad to hear the lad enjoyed running around with a bolt action, even one that was under-powered and still saddled with an MED; it's a very satisfying way of playing for sure! I would actually focus on the rifle before going for a ghillie though, as he'll learn better camo and concealment fieldcraft if he doesn't get reliant on a ghillie suit. It's amazing what you can do with good camo and concealment skills while wearing regular DPM, or even just flat olive drab! I see a lot of ghillie snipers who have awful fieldcraft and they're incredibly easy to counter-snipe. Having a rifle that performs well is always useful though and I'm sure he'll appreciate it when he's able to reach out to 75m with decent accuracy.

Same with the bipod. Most of the time they're just dead weight and you're better off bracing against an arm/leg/tree, etc. Particularly with VSR, adding a bipod is probably going to near double the weight anyway (okay, a slight exaggeration, but then again I've got this Parker-Hale bipod that probably makes that an accurate statement) Usually bipods end up just being used to stand the gun in the safe zone on rather than shoot from, unless you're talking something particularly heavy (support weapon, EBR-14, etc). However, if you're determined to have one, I'd suggest something like a Harris - I'm sure there are plenty of clones but I've not used them. They're lightweight and quick to deploy with spring loaded legs and usually the ability to cant to one side or other to keep the rifle level.

Generally no, BUT, Could be a vorsk qc thing, could be venting due to ambient temperature or rapid firing, or the two combined, but venting usually occurs forwards out of the barrel, not rearward over the hand🤔 As has been said, if its new return it, ideally for a refund, or upgrade to a TM, you'll not regret it.

If you live close to Dogtag then maybe get yourself over to Socom Tactical or Surplus Store before you play and get a stronger VSR spring, and you may be lucky and they can help you fit it there and then if you bring your pew pew with you

So I'm currently working on a mates vsr compatible specna, which will not exceed 400fps no matter what I try. Compression seems fine and the FPS is actually pretty consistent. But not going over. It's stock barrel and rubber (which I'll likely be changing soon, and possibly the culprit of this) but it's got a Maple leaf spring (m145) and spring guide, vsr cylinder and piston and Airsoft pro trigger set. All firing really well not a blip, apart from this sodding FPS. Am I missing something really simple here? Tia Edit The reason the hop isn't done yet, is because the rubber we gave me doesn't sit right.....don't ask.

Aren't they expensive? I have also read online that the stock one is good and the upgrade would be as minimal as changing the barrel. I built a mk18 style AEG from a Specna Arms Core 04 and still run the standard blue plastic hop unit in it to this day and that AEG has some good range on it. The hop unit very rarely ever needs changing unless it's adjusting itself when in use. Changing the bucking & nub is all you need to do - I mostly always use Macaron 60 degree and the Omega nub. Inner barrels are subject to a lot of arguments. Some claim that the stock brass are fine and probably just need a quick polishing. Some inner barrels are cheap enough that you can buy one and see if theres much difference. AK2M4 has his own range of inner barrels that appear to have a massively better polish/finish than the similarly priced ZCI offering.

Will purchase one later today. Currently have 7.4v's. Aren't they expensive? I have also read online that the stock one is good and the upgrade would be as minimal as changing the barrel. I already made the purchase years ago so I will try it out anyways. Perun AB++ is £48.00 so want to avoid if I can to keep costs low. Ordered. On its way already. Ordered. On its way already too. You recommended me this 2 years ago haha. I'll do some testing to see the difference once the chrono arrives.

The issue began with the MOS slide upgrade and stock internals. Had further upgrades but issue continued and then with the original slide also. I’m thinking the frame maybe the issue? It almost looks as though the slides are not travelling flat. The MOS requires a bit of force to return to battery, the original just needs a tap 🤷🏻‍♂️ will probably order a new frame