New DMR? I'm open to suggestions

[Portela_999]

Hello all,

I think I might have finally decided which way I wanna play my games from now on. I currently am using a SSR4 Novritsch and I'm getting probably about 35-40m with .32g bb's which I'm quite pleased with it. Not always straight but manage to hit lots of people today. However I want now something that will go a bit further and more accurate so I asked chat gpt for the best DMR until £420. Here are the options it gave me:

 

 

East Crane EC-204 G-417 - AEG (about £60 more)

Golden Eagle E6902M M-417 - AEG

Vorsk VMP-2D Gas Blowback

Double Bell SR25 DMR AEG

 

Other option would be

 

Novritsch SSX303 (GBB)

 

Now the question is... AEG or GBB? Also which one would require less changes out of the box(with my ssr4 I only changed the spring)? Which one of them has a better reputation? Which one is quieter?

I've got a Glock EU17 GBB Raven and what annoys me is the gas (green) doesn't last enough for the whole magazine and sometimes it all comes at once so unless that is different with DMR's magazines I might not want to go down that route.

 

Thanks in advance for your expertise!

[Tackle]

Any gun can be finicky, but gas more so, especially with temperature changes, different power gas etc, assuming the gun itself is set up perfectly ?.

Unfortunately a raven pistol isn't any kind of benchmark to judge gas guns by, well maybe the bad ones 😏.

So aeg is the way to go, but then you need to consider that some sites expect a dmr to be based on a real world dmr equivalent, not just an m4a1 with a barrel extension. 

Also dmr fps can vary from site to site, 450/420/400/378 are all fps limits for dmrs I've seen previously. 

With that in mind, once you've narrowed down your choice, you'll want to make sure the contenders have a quick change spring system, it's the easiest way to alter power output at short notice.

& don't forget it needs to be single shot, ideally mechanically incapable of auto fire, as most sites won't accept dmrs that have restricted fire mode set by mosfet.

I'm sure someone else will tell you what best out of those you've mentioned. 

Good luck

[Rogerborg]

Given that your choices include a gun with a carbine mag and one that's a Mk23 pistol in a body-kit, I assume that a .308/7.62mm style magazine isn't a deal breaker for you.

 

In that case, you could just up-spring your SSR4 and restrict it to semi with a grub screw (depending on your local site(s) rules).  A barrel extension and/or silencer can let you use a longer barrel, and swapping out the cylinder for an unported one is simple enough if you want to open the gearbox.

 

If you want something new, magazine cost and availability needs to be factored in. The Vorsk only uses its own proprietary mags, and they're not cheap, nor necessarily available (PatrolBase doesn't have any long mags).  The SSX303 (which is non-blowback, not blowback) takes Mk23 mags, which gives you more choice.  If you want to go gas, I'd go with that over the Vorsk all day long.

 

The East Crane (who?) and Golden Eagle will both need locking to semi, and up-springing (same as your SSR4 would).  Both use proprietary low and mid caps, so again you'll need to factor in cost and availability to buy more.

 

The Double Bell is the only AEG on that list which is actually "DMR" spec out of the box, and comes with a hi-cap magazine so there are no extra costs. I believe that mid-caps are available. I'd be looking for reasons not to get that from those 3 electrics.

 

 

[Colin Allen]

3 minutes ago, Rogerborg said:

East Crane (who?)

E&C

[Tackle]

Why not just buy this one, stick a bigger spring in it & your ready to go, mags n all, £200 (or less 😉)👍

https://airsoft-forums.uk/classifieds/item/64299-cyma-platinum-sr25/

[Portela_999]

So the gun needs to be, basically, 100% single shot and that cannot be done by mosfet as the sited wont accept?

 

sounds a bit harsh, no? But im guessing mosfets now a day can be a quick change like the options of the SSR4… 

 

so, so far the double bell would be the recommended one? Apart from spring is that anything you know of I would need changing?

5 minutes ago, Tackle said:

Why not just buy this one, stick a bigger spring in it & your ready to go, mags n all, £200 (or less 😉)👍

https://airsoft-forums.uk/classifieds/item/64299-cyma-platinum-sr25/

 Thats not bad at all

Also, I wouldnt mind HPA but need to get my head around carrying a HPA “bottle” on my back 😂

 

if hpa means accuracy and consistency then I might have to give it a try

[Tackle]

4 minutes ago, Portela_999 said:

So the gun needs to be, basically, 100% single shot and that cannot be done by mosfet as the sited wont accept?

 

sounds a bit harsh, no? 

Legally, the gun shouldn't be capable of full auto if its fps exceeds 378+ on a .20, obviously any site worth attending would veto it as it would invalidate any kind of insurance,  making them 100% liable.

But some dodgy players try to secretly keep the ability to enable full auto, claiming its the only thing to remedy gearbox lockup.

[Portela_999]

2 minutes ago, Tackle said:

Legally, the gun shouldn't be capable of full auto if its fps exceeds 378+ on a .20, obviously any site worth attending would veto it as it would invalidate any kind of insurance,  making them 100% liable.

Oh gotcha.

but can be burst or custom as two shots and etc, right?

[Tackle]

Just now, Portela_999 said:

Oh gotcha.

but can be burst or custom as two shots and etc, right?

Nope, single shot only, & I forgot to mention some sites also insist on a time lapse between shots, "only one in the air" etc, to stop trigger spamming.

[Portela_999]

Wow…

 

 

that’s some very good help already. Thanks everyone! 
 

hopefully more people will come and comment too!

[Galvatron]

21 minutes ago, Portela_999 said:

Oh gotcha.

but can be burst or custom as two shots and etc, right?

 

No, single shot only. No binary triggers, no burst. One BB fired per trigger pull and release only.

 

As Tackle said, sites may insist on either a 2-second delay between shots or for there to be only one BB in the air when you're firing.

 

It goes against the idea of a marksman if you need to spray a target to hit them.

 

Not only does shooting above the site limit invalidate the site's insurance and make them liable if they were to allow you to play, you could be charged for committing assault if you use an illegal airsoft weapon and injure a player.

 

 

Edited 20 hours ago by Galvatron

[Tackle]

30 minutes ago, Portela_999 said:

 

Also, I wouldnt mind HPA but need to get my head around carrying a HPA “bottle” on my back 😂

 

if hpa means accuracy and consistency then I might have to give it a try

Hpa has feck all to do with accuracy, but more consistent than gas, but everyone with hpa cheats anyway 😜

[Rogerborg]

28 minutes ago, Portela_999 said:

So the gun needs to be, basically, 100% single shot and that cannot be done by mosfet as the sited wont accept?

 

It's entirely up to the site(s), you'll have to look into that. Some fire control systems actually let you program in a DMR delay to limit the rate of fire.

 

There's a significant degree of trust involved in DMRs given the minimum engagement distance, and the potential for abusing them by spamming.  One of my locals just disallows them completely (everything has to either be <1.2J or bolt action), and frankly I agree with them given how hard it is to marshal DMRs.

 

 

28 minutes ago, Portela_999 said:

Also, I wouldnt mind HPA but need to get my head around carrying a HPA “bottle” on my back 😂

 

if hpa means accuracy and consistency then I might have to give it a try

 

HPA makes Baby Jesus cry.

[Cannonfodder]

It would help if we knew your site's rules for DMRs

Your profile says you have an SVD. The real one are a DMR so why not use that?

[Galvatron]

Yes, the site's rules will definitely help as some sites permit a minimum of an electronic means of limiting yourself to safe and single-shot fire only whereas some insist that you also have a mechanical means to prevent your firing selector being switched to full auto even if your MOSFET or whatever electronic firing system is limited to single shot only.

 

The Vorsk model is only in its first iteration of production but as others pointed out, its low temperature performance has yet to be seen. I suspect ChatGPT has suggested it only because it is by, for want of a better a term, a box shifter brand rather being a model that has been extensively field-tested as a DMR.

[Impulse]

I'd just go with an AEG to be honest. That Cyma Platinum SR-25 that @Tackle linked is a great platform; I have one myself and the v2.5 gearbox is basically designed for DMRs with its higher air volume. The only benefit of a well-tuned HPA setup over a well-tuned AEG setup is that the HPA setup will be quieter and will be easier to set up. However, it will probably be significantly more expensive and comes with the drawback of a line and tank unless you go with some sort of HPA stock, but that is mega expensive and comes with its own drawbacks. My MTW 308 has an air stock and all in including external accessories that build probably cost me around £1500.

 

1 hour ago, Tackle said:

Hpa has feck all to do with accuracy, but more consistent than gas, but everyone with hpa cheats anyway 😜

 

Yeah, but gas is a lot more fun! And it's consistent enough to be a good DMR; my main DMR is my MWS built as a mk12 and my bolt actions are KJW/Tanaka m700s, all gas guns.

 

If someone can't hit targets accurately with a gas gun, that's a skill issue, but it is probably not great for a first DMR I will admit!

[Cannonfodder]

11 hours ago, Portela_999 said:

I asked chat gpt

That was your first mistake

[Portela_999]

11 hours ago, Cannonfodder said:

It would help if we knew your site's rules for DMRs

Your profile says you have an SVD. The real one are a DMR so why not use that?

im only going to skirmish high wycombe and havent heard them saying anything about DMR’s having to be single shot only however this is good to have in mind. 
 

my SVD is a bolt action, im probably selling it as it needs to be serviced and incant be arsed hahaha

Edited 8 hours ago by Portela_999

[Portela_999]

10 hours ago, Impulse said:

I'd just go with an AEG to be honest. That Cyma Platinum SR-25 that @Tackle linked is a great platform; I have one myself and the v2.5 gearbox is basically designed for DMRs with its higher air volume. The only benefit of a well-tuned HPA setup over a well-tuned AEG setup is that the HPA setup will be quieter and will be easier to set up. However, it will probably be significantly more expensive and comes with the drawback of a line and tank unless you go with some sort of HPA stock, but that is mega expensive and comes with its own drawbacks. My MTW 308 has an air stock and all in including external accessories that build probably cost me around £1500.

 

 

Yeah, but gas is a lot more fun! And it's consistent enough to be a good DMR; my main DMR is my MWS built as a mk12 and my bolt actions are KJW/Tanaka m700s, all gas guns.

 

If someone can't hit targets accurately with a gas gun, that's a skill issue, but it is probably not great for a first DMR I will admit!

 

 

 

 

 

Gotcha! So essentially I should go for AEG and maybe GBB if I want to try it with the Gas. 
 

will take a look on the cyma with v2.5 gearbox and some GBB as well…

 

 

thank you

[Tackle]

34 minutes ago, Portela_999 said:

 

 

 

 

 

Gotcha! So essentially I should go for AEG and maybe GBB if I want to try it with the Gas. 
 

will take a look on the cyma with v2.5 gearbox and some GBB as well…

 

 

thank you

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[Cannonfodder]

3 hours ago, Portela_999 said:

im only going to skirmish high wycombe and havent heard them saying anything about DMR’s having to be single shot only however this is good to have in mind. 
 

my SVD is a bolt action, im probably selling it as it needs to be serviced and incant be arsed hahaha

Then the first thing you need to do is ask them what their rules on DMRs are. There's no point spending money building a gun if it turns out you can't use it.

 

Fair enough about the SVD. I forgot there's spring versions

[Speedy Sloth]

If you can't be bothered to service your svd have you thought about the maintenance and upgrades required for a dmr. They all require time and/or more money at some point.

 

I get it if you've fallen out of love with the svd for a valid reason, but if it's a "I don't want to tech" than I have some bad news for you about maintaining something you want to be precise and reliable.

 

Also that range on your ssr4 seems short, you should be getting about 50m at 1.1j. are you sure something isn't wrong with it?

[Tackle]

5 hours ago, Portela_999 said:

im only going to skirmish high wycombe and havent heard them saying anything about DMR’s having to be single shot only however this is good to have in mind. 

Doesn't mention single shot, but trust us, it will be.

[strykerles]

Another option is the Cyma SVD if you'd stay with the platform. the newer versions have a Quick change spring and uprated internals

 

Locked to single shot and is easily capable of DMR power, OTB they do around 350fps but after changing the spring mine does 1.8j on a .43

 

Edited 1 hour ago by strykerles

[Rogerborg]

8 hours ago, Portela_999 said:

havent heard them saying anything about DMR’s having to be single shot only

 

Airsoft sites assume a certain amount of knowledge (although they shouldn't).  Anything capable of over 1.3J (with any ammo, not just what you choose to use) must be single shot, as a matter of law, not site rules. Over 1.3J and auto is (legally speaking) a Section 5 firearm, not an airsoft gun, and notionally has the same penalty as being caught with a real firearm.

 

If you want a DMR (over 1.3J by law, or over the 1.13-1.2J site limit for AEGs , it must be limited to single shot in some way - it's up to sites to decide what methods they'll accept.