Lima Bravo Zero Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Looking at getting a new TM416 but looks like some are getting their trades taken off - does anyone know of or had any delivered recently still with the trades on? Really like the look of the HK tradesand stuff so wouldn’t want to open my brand new shiny black 416 Delta and find it looking blank and plain and a little bit shoddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Head Moderator Jedi_Master Posted March 8, 2019 Head Moderator Share Posted March 8, 2019 I believe that only Umarex / VFC have the H&K licence to use real trademarks, and TM do not thus have to remove them for the UK market. Nice to have trademarks but if it does not, it is still a TM gun. Using the search tool, has a 3 character minimum length, on word "trademark" brings up this old topic: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMDavis Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Before placing an order bud, just phone the supplier and ask them about H&K trades. I think you'll be surprised to find there is plenty of suppliers that mention the lack of trades on their website, but in actual fact leave them alone entirely! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clumpyedge Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, RMDavis said: Before placing an order bud, just phone the supplier and ask them about H&K trades. I think you'll be surprised to find there is plenty of suppliers that mention the lack of trades on their website, but in actual fact leave them alone entirely! This ^ rarely have I seen one without the trades complete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lima Bravo Zero Posted March 8, 2019 Author Share Posted March 8, 2019 Sweet. Coz I was swaying toward the Mk18 that’s just come out even though I’ve always loved the look of the 416s but thought they’d be no point if it didn’t have trades. So that kind of settles it. Now... do I go Tan or Black 🤔🤔🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clumpyedge Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 1 minute ago, Lima Bravo Zero said: Sweet. Coz I was swaying toward the Mk18 that’s just come out even though I’ve always loved the look of the 416s but thought they’d be no point if it didn’t have trades. So that kind of settles it. Now... do I go Tan or Black 🤔🤔🤔 No point? I don't get what you mean, for realism? I'd just get it engraved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lima Bravo Zero Posted March 8, 2019 Author Share Posted March 8, 2019 Yea I like the realism I think the HK stuff looks cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clumpyedge Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 1 minute ago, Lima Bravo Zero said: Yea I like the realism I think the HK stuff looks cool As mentioned you'd be hard pressed to find somewhere selling without the trades but there are plenty of people that can engrave them for you etc if you did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eenthuncob Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 I got my Delta and when it came it had this black marker over it. Came straight off with nail polish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters ImTriggerHappy Posted March 8, 2019 Supporters Share Posted March 8, 2019 Oh my god my anti geardo twitch has gone into overdrive 🤯 Wouldn't buy an airsoft gun without trades because of lack of realism but the 6mm plastic bbs and whiny motor are acceptable? Give you a tip a TM recoil is no more realistic than any other. The recoil is barely there TM Judder would be a more apt description. It also goes the wrong way, happens a fraction late and as they get older make a stupid boing noise in you ear. Just buy what looks nice and is reliable and forget the realism because there is honestly none anywhere within airsoft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clumpyedge Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 5 minutes ago, ImTriggerHappy said: Oh my god my anti geardo twitch has gone into overdrive 🤯 Wouldn't buy an airsoft gun without trades because of lack of realism but the 6mm plastic bbs and whiny motor are acceptable? Give you a tip a TM recoil is no more realistic than any other. The recoil is barely there TM Judder would be a more apt description. It also goes the wrong way, happens a fraction late and as the get older make a stupid boing noise in you ear. Just buy what looks nice and is reliable and forget the realism because there is honestly none anywhere within airsoft. How did I guess you’d jump on this 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters ImTriggerHappy Posted March 8, 2019 Supporters Share Posted March 8, 2019 1 minute ago, clumpyedge said: How did I guess you’d jump on this 😂 Sorry I am just really bored 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clumpyedge Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 11 minutes ago, ImTriggerHappy said: Sorry I am just really bored 😉 Want me to list do a thread with a list of all the stuff I own that you hate so you can rip it apart? 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkee Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Can I nip in with my standard..."Buy an ERG" refrain again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters ImTriggerHappy Posted March 8, 2019 Supporters Share Posted March 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, clumpyedge said: Want me to list do a thread with a list of all the stuff I own that you hate so you can rip it apart? 🤣 Just do half of it only got another 6 hrs at work to kill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lima Bravo Zero Posted March 8, 2019 Author Share Posted March 8, 2019 23 minutes ago, ImTriggerHappy said: Oh my god my anti geardo twitch has gone into overdrive 🤯 Wouldn't buy an airsoft gun without trades because of lack of realism but the 6mm plastic bbs and whiny motor are acceptable? Give you a tip a TM recoil is no more realistic than any other. The recoil is barely there TM Judder would be a more apt description. It also goes the wrong way, happens a fraction late and as they get older make a stupid boing noise in you ear. Just buy what looks nice and is reliable and forget the realism because there is honestly none anywhere within airsoft. I get that we’re all playing army with our friends using toy guns but for £600 I want my toy to be spot on and if someone’s scratched off a logo before I’ve even opened the box then I’d rather get one thqt hadn’t been fiddled with prior to me getting it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkee Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 1 minute ago, Lima Bravo Zero said: I get that we’re all playing army with our friends using toy guns but for £600 I want my toy to be spot on and if someone’s scratched off a logo before I’ve even opened the box then I’d rather get one thqt hadn’t been fiddled with prior to me getting it Buy the VFC licensed version then.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lima Bravo Zero Posted March 8, 2019 Author Share Posted March 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, EvilMonkee said: Buy the VFC licensed version then.... VFC aren’t as good as TM though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkee Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Matter of opinion, most would say not but I think TM are overpriced and overrated but hey everyone has an opinion right? My point was, if trademarks mean that much to you just buy one with trademarks. If I had that money to spend on a recoil gun I would be getting a KWA ERG C4-10 - oh wait I have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clumpyedge Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 TM's come with trades, if you are that concerned phone the shop before placing an order (or go in if you are close) and ask if they do indeed have one with trades as mentioned above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters ImTriggerHappy Posted March 8, 2019 Supporters Share Posted March 8, 2019 12 minutes ago, Lima Bravo Zero said: I get that we’re all playing army with our friends using toy guns but for £600 I want my toy to be spot on and if someone’s scratched off a logo before I’ve even opened the box then I’d rather get one thqt hadn’t been fiddled with prior to me getting it No your playing hide and seek or bb-tag. Spot on means you pull the trigger bb exits and hits someone, bonus points if they are on opposite team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lima Bravo Zero Posted March 8, 2019 Author Share Posted March 8, 2019 13 minutes ago, clumpyedge said: TM's come with trades, if you are that concerned phone the shop before placing an order (or go in if you are close) and ask if they do indeed have one with trades as mentioned above. Will do. Fanx 😁👍🏻 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostly Retired Moderators L3wisD Posted March 8, 2019 Mostly Retired Moderators Share Posted March 8, 2019 1 hour ago, EvilMonkee said: Can I nip in with my standard..."Buy an ERG" refrain again? Only if I can Chime in with my "Get a Specna" rhetoric as well Specna SA-H05 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMDavis Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Lima Bravo Zero said: VFC aren’t as good as TM though? It certainly is a matter of opinion. I'm a big fan of most things TM however after comparing my VFC 416A5 to a TM 416 (both tan) Externally I much prefer the VFC over the TM. I'm not suggesting in any way that the TM is crap, just my own opinion of course! Internally however I was very disappointed with the VFC when I used it for the first time at a skirmish whilst being stock, it was pretty woeful if I'm being honest! My old Krytac LVOA-S (also stock) shot much better out the box. I've since spent quite a few beer tokens upgrading the internals on the VFC and it's a little monster! This is the money pit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emilianoksa Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Some retailers warn that their TM H&K pistols have had the trades tastefully removed. Others make no mention of this, and pictures of their advertised guns show trades. I imagine that pistols from the TM only or TM mainly retailers will have the trades. Their websites certainly show trades. If not I would have thought they could be returned for a refund under the Trades Description Act. I used to think TM guns were overrated and overpriced. That was before I owned one. Soon after receiving it, I bought two more. Although they were gbb pistols, not aegs. I suppose I could have bought an aeg for the cost of the three pistols. But I just love pistols for close quarter stuff. Especially Marui ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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