AshOnSnow Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 A) Why would it stop you from playing for "many years"? It's 8 weeks to play a few games. Hardly a lifetime. B) There would be no airsoft without UKARA. Too many idiots would have got their hands on guns and the sport would have been shut down ages ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STORMZOMBIES Posted July 30, 2018 Author Share Posted July 30, 2018 8 minutes ago, AshOnSnow said: A) Why would it stop you from playing for "many years"? It's 8 weeks to play a few games. Hardly a lifetime. B) There would be no airsoft without UKARA. Too many idiots would have got their hands on guns and the sport would have been shut down ages ago. Because of age I didn’t want a coloured gun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshOnSnow Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, STORMZOMBIES said: Because of age I didn’t want a coloured gun Well then that's got nothing to do with UKARA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STORMZOMBIES Posted July 30, 2018 Author Share Posted July 30, 2018 38 minutes ago, AshOnSnow said: Well then that's got nothing to do with UKARA. Yes it does 😂😂 you have to have ukara to get a Black RIF for the most part Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshOnSnow Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 8 minutes ago, STORMZOMBIES said: Yes it does 😂😂 you have to have ukara to get a Black RIF for the most part ...what on earth are you on about? That's like saying "I wasn't allowed in strip clubs, so I had to wait ages until I could drive a car." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Lozart Posted July 30, 2018 Supporters Share Posted July 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, AshOnSnow said: ...what on earth are you on about? That's like saying "I wasn't allowed in strip clubs, so I had to wait ages until I could drive a car." You have to be over 18 to buy a black RIF in addition to having a valid defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gtech Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Just now, Lozart said: You have to be over 18 to buy a black RIF in addition to having a valid defence. But that's not UKARA's choosing, that's the law (VCRA). I think that's what @AshOnSnow was indicating. 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STORMZOMBIES Posted July 30, 2018 Author Share Posted July 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Lozart said: You have to be over 18 to buy a black RIF in addition to having a valid defence. Thank you some people just don’t want coloured guns I’m not saying ukara is a bad thing at all it’s literslly a question on what others think about this topic personally I think ukara is bad but as I have seen many people explain what good it does aswell 1 minute ago, Gtech said: But that's not UKARA's choosing, that's the law (VCRA). I think that's what @AshOnSnow was indicating. 🤣 But a lot of new players really won’t see the difference and will automatic link them some thing I think a lot of experienced players forget Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gtech Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, STORMZOMBIES said: Thank you some people just don’t want coloured guns I’m not saying ukara is a bad thing at all it’s literslly a question on what others think about this topic personally I think ukara is bad but as I have seen many people explain what good it does aswell But a lot of new players really won’t see the difference and will automatic link them some thing I think a lot of experienced players forget Oh I get that. UKARA haven't exactly tried to un-muddy the waters on that front. Heck, I've seen the top 3 retailers saying 'UKARA Licence' all over social media. VCRA was the law behind the limitations. UKARA is the tool to help retailers, comply by the limitations. They don't have a lot of choice, but they did consult to ensure airsoft wasn't entirely banned/restricted. It's important to state that it wasn't just UKARA though. You had plenty of others in the room, lobbying and working hard to try and get us the best deal possible - we also had the ABA, UKASGB and UKAPU. If you read through the VCRA only one of them got mentioned in the circular/law, and it wasn't UKARA. If you've not played since the late 2000s, the UKARA now is a shadow of it's former self from 2006-2008. Finally, UKARA isn't the only option - but it's the best known option. At least for now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STORMZOMBIES Posted July 30, 2018 Author Share Posted July 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Gtech said: Oh I get that. UKARA haven't exactly tried to un-muddy the waters on that front. Heck, I've seen the top 3 retailers saying 'UKARA Licence' all over social media. VCRA was the law behind the limitations. UKARA is the tool to help retailers, comply by the limitations. They don't have a lot of choice, but they did consult to ensure airsoft was entirely banned/restricted. It wasn't just UKARA though, you had plenty of others in the room, lobbying and working hard to try and get us the best deal possible. Finally, UKARA isn't the only option - but it's the best known option. At least for now... I think was the biggest issue iv seen is the laws seriously seriosuly needs to be reworked badly as I get that Airsoft are RIF so they look the same but it seriously needs to be separate and have more clear guidelines etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Lozart Posted July 30, 2018 Supporters Share Posted July 30, 2018 6 minutes ago, Gtech said: But that's not UKARA's choosing, that's the law (VCRA). I think that's what @AshOnSnow was indicating. 🤣 I'm speaking in broad terms and trying to avoid the whole "but UKARA isn't the only defence" bullshit. And the OPs whole point was that he had to wait for a black RIF because of his age which then caused the entire misunderstanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EDcase Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Yeah UKARA isn't perfect but it works and airsoft with RIF's wouldn't exist without it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Adolf Hamster Posted July 30, 2018 Supporters Share Posted July 30, 2018 Just now, EDcase said: Yeah UKARA isn't perfect but it works and airsoft with RIF's wouldn't exist without it... indeed, it's still a better option than everyone being forced to run 2 tone, or worse that it'd mean *shudders* we'd all have to play paintball..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Lozart Posted July 30, 2018 Supporters Share Posted July 30, 2018 1 minute ago, STORMZOMBIES said: I think was the biggest issue iv seen is the laws seriously seriosuly needs to be reworked badly as I get that Airsoft are RIF so they look the same but it seriously needs to be separate and have more clear guidelines etc What isn't clear? Over 18 with a defence or no black gun. Simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gtech Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Just now, STORMZOMBIES said: I think was the biggest issue iv seen is the laws seriously seriosuly needs to be reworked badly as I get that Airsoft are RIF so they look the same but it seriously needs to be separate and have more clear guidelines etc It's never going to happen, any rework of the law will only affect us in a more negative manner. The only time this will be revisited is if they want to clamp down further and show the public more fear about guns. I actually don't see any problems with the law at a high level. You have to be over 18, and a regular player of a skirmish site. The problem is the grey areas which we try to scuttle around while still convincing ourselves that we're a self-policing industry. 3 minutes ago, EDcase said: Yeah UKARA isn't perfect but it works and airsoft with RIF's wouldn't exist without it... I wouldn't say RIFs wouldn't exist without it. There are plenty of retailers who don't pay the subscription and still check the defence, it just requires a little more work. UKARA wasn't the only one fighting for us, and they sure didn't pick the entire bill for the lawyers and consultations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Adolf Hamster Posted July 30, 2018 Supporters Share Posted July 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, Gtech said: I actually don't see any problems with the law at a high level. You have to be over 18, and a regular player of a skirmish site. indeed, just remember it could always be worse, like all airsoft guns limited to 1 joule.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EDcase Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 6 minutes ago, Adolf Hamster said: indeed, just remember it could always be worse, like all airsoft guns limited to 1 joule.... Amazing what careful hop design can do with 1 Joule At least we don't have to have orange tips... The law regarding RIF's certainly isn't going to be relaxed in the future so things can only get worse... Any miss-use will get negative attention and add another nail in the coffin of airsoft as we know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Adolf Hamster Posted July 30, 2018 Supporters Share Posted July 30, 2018 8 minutes ago, EDcase said: Amazing what careful hop design can do with 1 Joule indeed, but it kinda screws up being a sniper when muggins here can dish it straight back with his sig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padraigthesniper Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 You dont have to have Ukara if you make your own aeg from parts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigStew Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 you don't need UKARA to buy a RIF just proof of defense and building a RIF from parts will probably cost double buying a complete RIF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommikka Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 22 minutes ago, padraigthesniper said: You dont have to have Ukara if you make your own aeg from parts... But you do still need a VCRA defence as assembly is covered by “manufacture” https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/38/part/2/crossheading/imitation-firearms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padraigthesniper Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 46 minutes ago, Tommikka said: But you do still need a VCRA defence as assembly is covered by “manufacture” https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/38/part/2/crossheading/imitation-firearms How so? When was the last time a police officer raided someones house because he built a rif because he like fake guns and call of duty... YOU DONT NEED UKARA FOR A DEFENCE lol UKARA lets shops know you have a DEFENCE easy peasy like. If you skirmish and have 3 photos that can prove that or receipts your a skirmisher. PLUS if you occasionally work on videos you have a another defence of use for media content. The police have got legitimate criminals to deal with rather than Dave down the road who watches too much Spec Ops TV Shows and spends his nights reading up on AEG Gearboxes lol F**k all this bulls**t we need better parents and a better culture where kids arent allowed or dont want to be idiots with toy guns and then we dont need to baby sit idiots with laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacarathe Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Buying a RIF isn't illegal... 😛 #troll Was this thread started by someone that only viewed UKARA through a UKARA shaped lens? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STORMZOMBIES Posted July 30, 2018 Author Share Posted July 30, 2018 13 minutes ago, Sacarathe said: Buying a RIF isn't illegal... 😛 #troll Was this thread started by someone that only viewed UKARA through a UKARA shaped lens? That's supposed to mean what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padraigthesniper Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 4 hours ago, Sacarathe said: Buying a RIF isn't illegal... 😛 #troll Was this thread started by someone that only viewed UKARA through a UKARA shaped lens? Yeah lol i forgot its just illegal to sell not to buy without a defence UKARA is just the check for the defence made easy so either way its all good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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