Is JustBBGuns ruining Airsoft?

[david0512]

I was told that airsoft was nearly banned in the UK at one point, and making the whole 2 tone law was the only thing that kept it legal. I may be wrong but if that is the case then I'd rather use a 2 tone gun than none at all.

[Zak Da Mack]

i vote kev.k for next prime minister! He has got a point though, I mean why is it restricted to 18 +'s ? It's not like a kid is more likely to go out in public with one than an adult. And who would take them seriously anyway? I feel there should be some sort of defence that sellers accept which would allow under 18's to own an RIF. (maybe that's me just saying that because I'm under 18)

[kev.k]

I was told that airsoft was nearly banned in the UK at one point, and making the whole 2 tone law was the only thing that kept it legal. I may be wrong but if that is the case then I'd rather use a 2 tone gun than none at all.

Knowing this country I would imagine health and safety was their main concern. I could understand 2 tone if rifs were illegal (not that I want that), but they aren't.

 

If a rif is such a major concern, how can grown men playing soldiers in the woods, be a defence to owning one?

 

It's all bollocks.

[TPI]

Kid's not being allowed to buy one is simply like this -> How many out of the majority alway's did as they were told i didn't i'd be willing to bet atleast 80% of you didn't follow along to what your pier's said 100% of the time aswell.

 

So your next thing to say is so why not ban ownership of IF/RIF's for U18's because the law is written in Legalsese. Technically it is simply by the way it is worded it would tell Cop's with an actual Idea of the Draconian law's we live under to arrest you and Judge's to chuck you away for a stay at Her Majesty's pleasure! although we do have Jury's which may or may not be fair or unfair

 

also technically the RIF's that we Possess are Illegal.

 

But Scooby will be along at somepoint to fill in the point's i left out (I'm too lazy and he has researched into all the other Firearm type legislature + he's pretty much spot on)

 

but as he say's Don't take the word of an Unqualified lawyer go learn yourself and qeustion an actual Lawyer to death about it aswell!

[joshcowin]

mmh... well he wont ruin airsoft from selling rubbish, we know its rubbish and do not buy from him....

 

On the other hand, he could very potentially ruin airsoft, if he gets the sport banned by selling to minors.

ive flamed them on their fb site about selling minors also e-mailed them but nos response

[TacMaster]

Difficult to get air guns??? Pffft. My neighbour practically gave me one of his old air pistols. No paper trail whatsoever, I just mowed his lawn last summer and he didn't have any cash spare. I can see your point if you were buying new, but what of buying 2nd hand away from air gun foums and the massive law sticklers?

(btw the air pistol is now in legal custody of my parents. We don't even have any .177 pellets so no worries)

[two_zero]

No. It's ukara I have a problem with. I don't see why anyone over 18 can't just buy an airsoft gun like they can a rif air gun.

 

As for 2 tone, again pointless. They would make sense if kids over 13 could buy them, but they can't.

 

I don't see what purpose it all serves.

 

For the type of person who would carry out an armed robbery, it is easier to get a real gun than a airsoft one.

 

For people who say kids shouldn't have them, why? They are toys.

 

When I was a kid I had a black widow catapult, then a diablo, then a gat gun then a rif air pistol. My parents didn't know, and they were easy to buy.

 

No one can tell me it isn't crazy that it isn't legal to sell a toy gun to anyone over 18, but it's ok to sell them a crossbow?

In other words you have no clue what you are talking about. UKARA is no a restriction, its its something to make it easier for retailers to sell you an airsoft, without it they would have to call your site.

 

why would 13 make more sense than 18?

 

easier to get a real gun? get real. apart from that the added risk before, during and after a crime is committed? Tons of robberies every year uses airsoft guns and we go examples you can read about here or z1 where police have been called to the place, and sometimes nearly engaged people with airsoft guns.

 

Toys that look like weapons, and easily can shot your eye out.

 

Ok, you broke the law as a kid, what is your point?

 

I happen to sell crossbows and it's 17+ for them, which yes, I wonder why its not 18.

 

i vote kev.k for next prime minister! He has got a point though, I mean why is it restricted to 18 +'s ? It's not like a kid is more likely to go out in public with one than an adult. And who would take them seriously anyway? I feel there should be some sort of defence that sellers accept which would allow under 18's to own an RIF. (maybe that's me just saying that because I'm under 18)

yea right..

 

"It's not like a kid is more likely to go out in public with one than an adult." -WHAT?

 

I'll take a kid with a gun serious as hell.

 

You can own a RIF if you are under 18 and its gifted to you. I dont really see how that makes sense but thats how it is.

Knowing this country I would imagine health and safety was their main concern. I could understand 2 tone if rifs were illegal (not that I want that), but they aren't.

 

If a rif is such a major concern, how can grown men playing soldiers in the woods, be a defence to owning one?

 

It's all bollocks.

They ARE illegal, an exception have been made for skirmish, re-enactment, films etc.

 

Why, is grown men playing soldiers in the woods injuring anyone? Major concern? How often do you hear it debated outside of airsoft forums? Difference is, grown men (most of them), have more common sense than a kid. He is also legally responsible.

Difficult to get air guns??? Pffft. My neighbour practically gave me one of his old air pistols. No paper trail whatsoever, I just mowed his lawn last summer and he didn't have any cash spare. I can see your point if you were buying new, but what of buying 2nd hand away from air gun foums and the massive law sticklers?

(btw the air pistol is now in legal custody of my parents. We don't even have any .177 pellets so no worries)

My neighbour does not have an air pistol or a lawn.

[Dan's Ark]

It's not Just BB Guns ruining airsoft. It's the people who buy from it who are ruining airsoft.

[TacMaster]

That was simply me highlighting how easy it is to get hold of one. Not everyone's neighbour will have a lawn or an air pistol, it was just an example.

[kev.k]

@ two_zero, Let me outline my points in a simple manner so u can understand.

 

I think it should be legal for anyone over 18 to buy a airsoft rif. It is legal to buy a air rifle rif which looks just as real, but is more dangerous. This is stupid.

 

2tone is pointless, They would make sense if younger players could buy them.

In answer to your question, what is the point in anyone over 18 buying a 2 tone if they can buy a rif? 2 tone would make alot of sense if kids over 13 could buy them and use them responsibly.

 

If rifs are illegal, and considered a threat to the public, playing "soldiers in the woods" should not be a reason to have one.

 

Crossbows SHOULD BE illegal as they are LETHAL.

 

I only mentioned the guns and catapults I had as a kid, to make the point kids will always be kids. Airsoft guns will always attract kids as they are toys, and kids play with toys.

 

Also, if you don't think that certain people have easy access to guns, you are niave at best. I bet many people have seen a few real guns, and have never seen a airsoft gun. Many armed robberies are carried out with real guns. Where do you think they came from?

[Dan's Ark]

@ two_zero, Let me outline my points in a simple manner so u can understand.

 

I think it should be legal for anyone over 18 to buy a airsoft rif. It is legal to buy a air rifle rif which looks just as real, but is more dangerous. This is stupid.

 

2tone is pointless, They would make sense if younger players could buy them.

 

If rifs are illegal, and considered a threat to the public, playing "soldiers in the woods" should not be a reason to have one.

 

Crossbows SHOULD BE illegal as they are LETHAL.

 

So are some air rifles.

[kev.k]

So are some air rifles.

Then they should be illegal aswell.

 

I'm not against air rifles. I just think it's stupid that anyone 18+ can buy an rif air rifle, but you have to play 3 times in 2 months and get a ukara number to buy a toy.

[two_zero]

@ two_zero, Let me outline my points in a simple manner so u can understand.

 

I think it should be legal for anyone over 18 to buy a airsoft rif. It is legal to buy a air rifle rif which looks just as real, but is more dangerous. This is stupid.

 

2tone is pointless, They would make sense if younger players could buy them.

 

If rifs are illegal, and considered a threat to the public, playing "soldiers in the woods" should not be a reason to have one.

 

Crossbows SHOULD BE illegal as they are LETHAL.

 

I only mentioned the guns and catapults I had as a kid, to make the point kids will always be kids. Airsoft guns will always attract kids as they are toys, and kids play with toys.

 

Also, if you don't think that certain people have easy access to guns, you are niave at best. I bet many people have seen a few real guns, and have never seen a airsoft gun. Many armed robberies are carried out with real guns. Where do you think they came from?

 

Sorry, what do you think is more likely to be used in an armed robbery, an air rifle or a replica pistol?

 

I already explained to you why twotone makes sense, but you clearly do not listen.

 

you quoting "soldiers in the woods", do you realise thats from your post?

 

RIFs are only considered a "threat" because people will think they are real weapons.

 

lethal --> should be illegal... you serious? Well I suppose we should go ahead and ban rifles, shotguns, air rifle, plant poison, knives, cars, hammers and old age as well then?

 

so? guns attract kids. When I was a kid I used to openly carry a fixed blade knife at all times, but is not Sweden in the 90s... sadly. Kids can not run around with something that looks like a gun.

 

 

I live in Brixton, someone got shot a few meters from my front door a few months ago. I do not see how this justifies making it easier for criminals to get he hand on replicas?

 

and NO! it's not easier to get hold of an illegal firearm than a RIF, are you mad?

 

Then they should be illegal aswell.

 

I'm not against air rifles. I just think it's stupid that anyone can buy a rif air rifle, but you have to play 3 times in 2 months and get a ukara number to buy a toy.

..and once more you show that you do not know what UKARA is.

 

I just explained it to you and you sounds like a broken CD player. I'm off to bed.

 

Not everyone's neighbour will have a lawn or an air pistol, it was just an example.

[two_zero]

I just explained it to you and you sounds like a broken CD player.

Did I really write something like this?

 

Sorry Kev, seriously, sorry mate! I got a bit frustrated I'm too tired to be posting. I'd edit the post but it has probably already been seen, so its better I stand up for it.

 

I apologise for this idiotic rude behaviour, I really hope you're not too offended.

[Ian_Gere]

You know what I'd like to know? Why is it that the purposes of airsoft and historical re-enactment are specified as hobbies protected from prosecution for selling RIF's but BDSM isn't? It's discrimination I tell ya!

[kev.k]

 

Sorry, what do you think is more likely to be used in an armed robbery, an air rifle or a replica pistol?

 

I already explained to you why twotone makes sense, but you clearly do not listen.

 

you quoting "soldiers in the woods", do you realise thats from your post?

 

RIFs are only considered a "threat" because people will think they are real weapons.

 

lethal --> should be illegal... you serious? Well I suppose we should go ahead and ban rifles, shotguns, air rifle, plant poison, knives, cars, hammers and old age as well then?

 

so? guns attract kids. When I was a kid I used to openly carry a fixed blade knife at all times, but is not Sweden in the 90s... sadly. Kids can not run around with something that looks like a gun.

 

 

I live in Brixton, someone got shot a few meters from my front door a few months ago. I do not see how this justifies making it easier for criminals to get he hand on replicas?

 

and NO! it's not easier to get hold of an illegal firearm than a RIF, are you mad?

 

 

..and once more you show that you do not know what UKARA is.

 

I just explained it to you and you sounds like a broken CD player. I'm off to bed.

 

 

It is much easier for someone dodgy to get a real gun than a airsoft rif. They would just contact a like minded person, rather than play soldiers in the woods 3 times in 2 months. Real guns are not difficult to obtain illegally, especially in Brixton before it went "posh".

 

I do know what ukara is I JUST THINK IT'S POINTLESS WHEN YOU CAN BUY A RIF AIR PISTOL WITHOUT ANY EQUIVALENT.

 

I personally think a rif air pistol would be the most likely gun used in a robbery, a real gun would be in 2nd place.

 

It's also arrogant to think that dressing up and playing soldiers in the woods gives you more right to own a rif than someone who wants to "plink" in their garden, or just like guns. It shouldn't.

 

You are clearly not the brightest. I think most people wouldn't group a crossbow with the random shit you did. If you think it makes sense that anyone over 17 can legally purchase a crossbow but not a toy gun, you are clearly stupid. As your comment about carrying a fixed blade in Sweden in the early 90's also illustrates!?! WTF is that about? I don't imagine the streets of Sweden to be very mean.

[TPI]

& Locked* this thread has done exactly what Sam said

 

i have thing's i want to point out to Tac but this is Just a Shit Slinging match now neither Party will be able to convince the other without slagging off the other and I'm the only one that get's to do that you Fuppering Fup's you!

 

*if only i could

[Mike636]

I think the real value and purpose of UKARA is to show that the airsoft community as a whole is being responsible and self regulating in regards to RIF/IF.

 

And if I'm not mistaken the point about the crossbow is that it can be lethal as well as those other items, the fact is you wouldn't get very far walking around the high street carrying said crossbow without being stopped by the police.

 

All the airsoft community wants to do is provide evidence of the majority of us being responsible as a group. We cannot do anything about individual oxygen thieves!

[Qlimax]

I'm pretty sure we've already talked about these in another thread lol, here's the website I made of them as this is the TRUE Justbbguns.

 

http://justbbgunscowboys.yolasite.com/

 

Enjoy lol

[StormAX]

I'm pretty sure we've already talked about these in another thread lol, here's the website I made of them as this is the TRUE Justbbguns.

 

http://justbbgunscowboys.yolasite.com/

 

Enjoy lol

LOL! that was a delight to read

[Richard65]

Politicians have decided that the sale of guns and RIFs needs to be controlled.

 

The gun lobby is very strong and quite rightly you need a licence to own a gun and have to keep it in a locked cabinet at home. I have never tried to get a firearms licence but would hope that I would have to show some evidence of belonging to a shooting club for target shooting guns - bit harder to prove that you need a shotgun maybe!

 

The air gun lobby is also very strong and they justify the ownership of airguns as needed for pest control. Rules are easier than for real guns as they are less dangerous although can still do some serious damage. So, the restrictions are that you have to be over 18 to buy/own an airgun and have to buy it in a face-to-face transaction with proof of identity etc.

 

Airsoft guns are purely for fun/sport and whilst bbs fired at someones face/eyes would do some damage they are nowhere near as dangerous as airguns or real guns.

 

The face that they are purely for fun means it is harder to justify the need for airsoft RIFs apart from airsofters wanting to look as realistic in our simulated war games as possible. The defence and UKARA rules help to show that airsofting is a genuine sporting activity and that club members are committed enough to be allowed to own RIFs.

 

The fact that you can buy an airsoft pistol like the Desert Eagle from an airgun dealer without a defence - just have to comply with the airgun regulations - does make the law look flawed at best.

 

However, the defence is easy enough for anyone over 18 to get and if that means we can keep RIFs available to skirmishers then why knock it?

[Ian_Gere]

I can see that i'm going to have to start my own forum. How does PS-UK sound? PervSoft-UK?

[sp00n]

I can see that i'm going to have to start my own forum. How does PS-UK sound? PervSoft-UK?

spanking

[Ansome Jack]

Can't say that some of the stuff they sell looks like they'd be worth the money, but stuff like this is what put me of their site bbguns4less (it's the same site right?)

 

THE GUN IS BRILLIANT 300FPS HURTS LIKE A BITCH AS I GOT SHOT IS
THE BALLS AND HAND VERY ACCURATE THE MAG GETS ANNOYING AFTER I WHILE BUT
OVERALL GOOD GUN

 

CARBINE USED TO BE CRAP NOW BEST GUN EVER !!!!!!! Posted by Unknown on 8th Dec 2012

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i shot my dog with this and he started bleeding then he wouldnt
stop bleeding and then he started crying so i shot him with my air rifle
and he died. so now he is under my stairs and my starting to smell him
as fly have layed eggs in him. so yeah over all good gun hope i helped
you

 

So, where were we?

[adam bussey]

Can't say that some of the stuff they sell looks like they'd be worth the money, but stuff like this is what put me of their site bbguns4less (it's the same site right?)

 

 

So, where were we?

f**ked if that last one is any indication to the kind of people they are selling to even if it is a joke!