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Hit the nail on the head there. Let's face it, that's how Nuprol/Vorsk/Raven et al have been in business for as long as they have.

There's cream for that.

Acro C-2 (it's right there on the side)

I have no doubt that they draw high currents, I was more suggesting that the load is less peaky.

Where are you finding decent LiFe stick packs? They were all the rage for airsoft a few years back but most places only seem to have one or two choices these days (or are you repurposing RC packs?)

You know the Manta is a suppressor COVER, right?

My go-to? A Platatac Peacekeeper MK1. Can carry 6 7.62 mags or 9 5.56 ones plus pyro, water, the whole 9 yards. Not cheap though. Also - you haven't told us what you use, what sort of games you play etc.

Instructions unclear, dick stuck in suppressor cover.

Unfortunately most airsofters wouldn't know a Newton-metre if it stole all their apples. While motors don't work in C they do respond differently when the supply current is governing their performance; if a battery can't supply enough current quickly enough then performance will suffer in an AEG because that initial spin up is where the motor will spend a lot of its time. It's less relevant in things like drones or RC planes because once you get the rotor spinning and you've overcome that moment of inertia then the motor can settle into a fairly consistent running current. Once you reach that "steady" state then the capacity calculations etc make more sense because your load behaves more like the graphs that battery manufacturers like to throw around. Even when you run an AEG in constant full auto, the load is never stable. Every cycle the gears have to compress the spring and then it releases so the load comes off the motor. The current draw is never smooth and the battery's ability to deliver a lot of current quickly becomes more important than the mAh rating as long as it is sufficiently high.

Undoubtedly, though I do question their marketing spiel that a low C, high capacity battery is equivalent to a smaller high C battery in this application.

I've gone back to standard LiPo. Any performance benefit they claim is slim at best, the chemistry of the cells doesn't lend itself to repeated short bursts either. The robustness is nice and the lack of self discharge is good but not worth the money they charge.

I've got a couple of Titans that are 7000mAh.

You're right, but it's what the battery manufacturers do when they say that a battery is a "nominal" capacity. For example the one in that graph is a nominal 2500mAh, which is at the point where charge would reach zero.

They're doing an A4 so I'd say it's only a matter of time (given what we were discussing about their penchant for rinse and repeat with the MWS)

My brother in law watches him and thinks he's hilarious. He has absolutely no intention of ever going airsofting but he is pretty much the KM content target - not actually an airsofter, but is amused by clickbait of people getting hurt.

If you extrapolate the trace down to zero, they all converge.

Fun little side note, I was having a chat with a friend of mine last night, turns out he's the UK importer for Keltec!

That's not true. The mAh capacity of the battery is not affected by the discharge rate. A 2000mAh battery is a 2000mAh battery regardless of if you drain it at 2mA or 2A, it will discharge for longer at a lower current but the overall capacity remains the same. Cell discharge rate is affected by chemistry and quality of manufacture, that is true. LiPo batteries can discharge at much higher currents than Li-Ion for example, but will sag more under load. And yes, a cheap shit battery will always perform poorly compared to a high quality one (although given the spectrum of quality in airsoft batteries that is pretty much moot because they all suck balls to some degree). The actual numbers DO matter if you're trying to make sure that the battery you want will meet your needs. For example if you have limited battery space and can only fit a physically small battery in then it makes sense to go for the highest quality you can afford so that you get the best performance from that physical size. If size is not a restriction then yes, go nuts - as long as the current capability of the battery meets or exceeds your demand then you'll be golden.

My best friend had a 4.5l V8 Cerbera. Hilariously good fun to drive (he was mental enough to let me drive it). First thing the starter motor died and the bell housing seal went (apparently a known issue that one). Then the electrics died because they were all in ABS project boxes under the rear window (which leaks) and just got full of water. Then the rear suspension collapsed. Three times. The third time, the drive shaft broke as well. After having it for about 2 years he decided enough was enough and chopped it in for a Dodge Viper. When they test drove it before taking it as a trade in it was good job they never got it out of first gear because the mesh in third just didn't work. Looked amazing though and was fast AS FUCK!

Yeah, but fuck me they were fun to drive. The best description I ever heard of a TVR was "they're like a kit car, but in reverse" because they disassemble themselves around you.

It's probably like the good old 56mpg "urban cycle" figures from car manufacturers that are done with the engine out on a bench with a simulated load. Given a fixed load with a known current they possibly do come close (ish) to the numbers on the pack, but in actual use in an AEG? Not so much.

The idea that an airsoft AEG works with a constant current is complete rubbish too. If you're firing in full auto then you'll get a high inrush current that will settle to a lower running current. If you're spamming semi then you'll just be getting endless inrush current spikes.

The issue is that while C ratings are very much a real thing, battery manufacturers lie about what they actually achieve from their battery. The attached actually explains C and its relationship to current and capacity better than the MIT thing. What-is-a-battery-C-rating.pdf

Yeah but most moscarts hurt about as much as being licked by puppies.