TheFull9

What we're learning here, is that if you buy Warrior gear at full retail price, you are a silly sausage.

Correct. If you do run hi-caps, you vest will tell you to "sshh!".

Wasn't referring to just this thread.

The cost debate never ends, but it varies depending on where you ask the question. If you go to DevTSix you'll find a fair few guys who've spent enough on just their plate carrier alone for someone to outside themselves with a full loadout of kit that's perfectly decent for airsoft (gun, mags, camo, rig, boots, eye pro, the whole lot), and some of the 'hardcore' impressionist types are snobby as f*** and will call you cheap for buying HSGI or Tactical Tailor. This place can be the opposite end of the spectrum, similar story with some facebook groups. Making negative comments about people who spent a lot more on their kit than you just as bad as the snobs who crap on others for having the budget gear; you have no clue about what somebody else's salary/expendable income level is or what their personal priorities are. You're being a massive c*** either way and both types are awful.

It'd be better to find out the rules put in place for the camo/colours on each side, if you haven't booked already that is. Usually for example, multicam is on the desert/tan side with grey/black/blue/other civves on the green/woodland team, but the milsim I did a little while back had it the opposite way around with MC on the green side and the civvies with the tans.

Propper's alright, just don't plan on using it in summer. Thick, heavy construction; good for the cooler times for sure but you'll sweat your everythings off in June. I've had their standard ACU cut trousers and shirt, still got one of their combat shirts in ATACS-FG and I purely reserve it as a winter use item. The material on the torso is unbelievably thick compared to every other brand I've ever tried; wore it to Red1 CQB once in July and spent the whole day just hating it.

-AC Combat shirts x 2 -AC Field trousers Alas, I'm a Small in every other brand of combat shirt, just not Crye. So I'll have to sell the buggers right off the bat, which is a PITA frankly after waiting bloody ages for them to get here. #firstworldairsoftproblems

Trap/skeet etc are the most common options by far with the most availability. For most citizens getting a shotgun certificate (covers double barrels and pumps with only 2-shell mag capacity) is very easy as the police actually have to come up with a reason you specifically shouldn't be allowed one whereas for any rifle or semi shotgun you need to give them a reason you should be granted the certificate (i.e. shooting club membership), but you do have to have references from people who've known you a few years and I'm not sure how nationality/residency links in to it exactly. There's a long form to fill out and I've not looked at it in a while.

Da. Mine should be here end of Jan (ish) hopefully.

I think there may be a little misunderstanding amongst a few folks here. Generally when used in airsoft terms relating to gear (much more so in the states than the UK), 'high speed' doesn't mean something necessarily has to be super lightweight or efficient, it's more to do with the looks than anything. A BULLE chest rig for example is an excellent choice for load-bearing kit in airsoft, but it doesn't look gucci or tacticool. I'm pretty certain given the OP's concern over aesthetics rather than function, the idea is to fit in to the fashionable, special forces looking notion of HSLD.

That was a bad on my part, I meant more of the side to see the profile of the locking nuts.

Can't give bugger all in the way advice without a rough clue what your budget is to be honest, where you live also comes in to play significantly as I'm not going to recommend a store called UK Tactical to somebody in, for example, Canada. I think asking people what looks better is rather inflatable-dartboard as well, you'd be much, much better off just going through loadout threads on different forums or just browsing SF pictures online if you want to figure out what 'looks best'. Because that way you'll get stuff that you actually like the aesthetics of yourself, rather than someone else's opinion. Even without knowing your budget I can tell you for sure that all black just looks like an airsofter loadout, not any sort of super cool high-speed operator super special forces dude. If you like the look of it then that's cool go ahead, it is of course your money. Just be aware you'll not see elite police firearms units or SAS or SEALs or whatever running much in the way of black gear like it was the early 90s anymore. It's also demonstrably very poor camo in urban and woodland environments, so if you want something that's effective for milsim look at either grey or a popular woodland pattern. Obviously US Woodland, Multicam (including any of the 3 newly released variants), AOR1 and AOR2 are super popular amongst all the super cool guys right now. There's also the Kryptek and Pencott families to consider in terms of the 'latest and greatest' for camo options. Helmets are, if anything, low speed if you take the literal definition, but if you want to be fashionable in the manner I think you do then an Ops-Core replica is what everybody and his gran is rocking right now. Eye pro should very much be decided on a safety first basis, not what looks good. End of the day if you just run the dark lenses in any goggle and cover your lower face somehow it does the job of dehumanising your appearance, which is always a winner on social media.

Got any pictures of the reverse sides of those rail bits?

Can't say I'm a machine expert, so thanks for the input. All I can say for sure is that M-LOK is cheaper to mill than KeyMod and a lot of airsoft companies don't put in the necessary chamfers in to their KeyMod because they're trying to keep prices as rock bottom as they physically can. It's all relative of course, as you say it may not be that expensive in terms of tooling or machine time, but it is enough of an extra cost that G&G ét al want to avoid it. Probably more about time than tool cost if anything, G&G especially must be pumping out guns at a crazy rate seeing as they're supplying every country in the world by the looks of things.

The only 'pistols' over here are .22 and have insanely long barrels and weird extensions to the frames in order to comply with the minimum barrel length and overall length requirements in the law. All look roughly like this: Basically, you might as well just shoot a 22 semi rifle (to my mind anyway). If you read around a little you'll find all the requirements for getting in to semi 22 rifles, manual-action centrefire rifles and semi/pump shotguns. The issue is more around finding a club that you can regularly attend in order to get the certificate (a safe is a requirement here as well), but I recall there being a map of them all somewhere so again, small amount of googling and you should be able to figure out if there's one near manchester that would suit you.

Don't get me wrong, don't disagree with that at all. A plastic rail piece wouldn't cost much at all, they could probably raise the price of the guns by £1.50 and easily cover it. The spacing isn't actually the variable (certainly shouldn't be anyway) it's the shape of each hole. On firearm-spec handguards they have to cut chamfers on to the inside face of each slot, which is obviously a bit tricky and pricey to do since you have to have a machine that can cut at very funny angles/from the inside of a narrow tube. A lot of airsoft manufacturers just just the holes straight from the outsides, so they look the same externally without closer inspection but they don't provide the same functionality or fitment. I've not have the chance to try an RS accessory on an airsoft handguard yet unfortunately. Should probably start just bringing one with me to games, I'm sure I'd spot someone with a G&G or ICS and then I could say for sure what's compatible with what.

Is that addressed to me or a continuation of what I was saying? With the quote in there I can't really tell. It's not necessarily as bad as all that. There are only 2 types of KeyMod hole, the real spec and the airsoft one; I suppose given airsoft manufacturing tolerances (lol) the airsoft ones could potentially vary somewhat which would necessitate matching manufacturers forends to accessories, but a lot of other parts on airsoft M4s are interchangeable between brands so I'd wager they're probably all close enough in the vast majority of cases. The problem is more that the information hasn't gotten out there in terms of how to tell the difference between the real and airsoft spec, so people aren't aware which brand uses which in order to then inform others. AFAIK, Krytac and PTS use the real spec on their handguards whereas G&G and Madbull do not. The other 2 'big names' producing a large quantity of KeyMod forends right now would be G&P and ICS, but I've never got a look at any of the new range of guns from either to be able to check. Most likely though they're also using the more simplistic airsoft spec cuts.

If whatever light you end up buying can't mount to the 12 o/clock rail, I'd recommend sticking to the KeyMod sections by the same brand as your gun. Some airsoft companies KeyMod is cut to the same spec as the real thing, but a lot aren't and it's often impossible to tell before actually purchasing the product in question. Matching up the rail pieces to the gun in terms of manufacturer is the safest bet. I'm yet to see a light that had a body which facilitated direct mounting to KeyMod slots personally, the closest things I've found are certain mounts which replace the normal picatinny mounts on SureFire scout lights (and presumably the clones). If your gun does have KeyMod up front but isn't supplied with any rail bits that is certainly a slight downer value wise, however the same gun with a metal forend that had picatinny on all 4 sides would probably have cost quite a lot more in the first place before you even get to the fact it weighs more and to most people isn't as ergonomic (in terms of shape/size and the cheese grater effect).

R.e. the painting a 2-tone gun, no that's 'manufacturing a RIF' and hence prohibited by the VCRA. But if you were dead set on doing a camo scheme on your gun eventually there really wouldn't be any harm in buying a 2-tone now, then once you've played your 3 games over 2 months you can cover up the bright green with some nice OD/khaki/whatever suits your local sites. I believe airsoft is entirely illegal in Aus right? But you're allowed pistols and rifles under license (not sure about semi auto)?

Ever had any purchases go awry per chance? Honest question as that's where you always find out what a retailer is actually like. I know a lot of people who've had major troubles with trying to get refunds/sending guns for fixing only to have them come back the same or worse than when sent etc etc; all spaced out over quite a few years. I've no doubt at all there's people out there who've had good experiences with them, but in my decade or so of airsofting and ungodly amount of hours on various forums and chatting to other players (online and in person), the number of negative reports I've heard about them has been substantially higher than any other retailer. Even worse than Wolf a few years back when those guys went through a notoriously terrible patch. My only personal experience with them was purchasing a TM gun way back in 08. Luckily the gun of course worked perfectly fine and the purchase went 'ok', but it took a ridiculously long time to ship out considering how simple the order was and it took me nearly a week of trying to get someone on the phone. Shortly after I found the aforementioned fake Oakleys; exact same thing happening as detailed in this thread. Never shopped with them again after that and I'm glad of that decision I have to say.

I've posted this over on Arnies already as well as facebook (to which a fair few people replied that they were very much unsurprised by the news), but the vast majority of people there already avoid this 'company'... a term I use very loosely. Somewhere on my backup hard drive I've already got a screen cap of Zero One selling fingerless ACM knock-off versions of the Oakley carbon knuckle gloves (that were all the rage a few years ago) as supposed genuine Oakley products... at a full and genuine price tag of course. No mention of being copies anywhere on the product page, despite the fact Oakley never manufactured a version of the glove in question without the actual fingers. Looking around for something very specific a few days ago I wandered on to their site for the first time in a good few years; lo and behold within 10 seconds of looking around their 'store', I find they're scamming people (whether deliberately or not, it's still a scam) again. http://www.zerooneairsoft.com/product_info.php?products_id=8690 Just to be very clear, I've double checked with someone who works for PTS and looked at pictures of the MS2 slings that PTS used to sell; there's no doubt this is a cheap chinese rip. 1. The sling design shown is an MS2 copy, not an MS3 as the page title claims. 2. PTS only ever made black and tan MS2 replicas (under actual license from Magpul). 3. PTS never manufactured an MS3 at all. 4. The actual PTS MS2s had a rotating clip at the end point where the sling clipped to the rifle, this copy does not have the rotating hardware. 5. The stitched on label says Dynamics on these mislabelled forgeries. The PTS slings had a spot of velcro in that area and a came with small patch featuring the PTS logo. Few other little idiosyncrasies, but that's the meat of it. There's no question that these were made by a shady chinese factory in contravention of copyright and patenting. Now I know plenty of people aren't fussed about clones of gear and I'm aware of the fact that 99% of the time if somebody's buying a budget clone of a product they weren't planning on buying the original anyway, so businesses aren't likely to be losing out on anything at all significant; let me make it very clear that the argument about clone guns/kit is not at all the point I'm making here. The fact of the matter is they're charging 40 quid for something that probably cost less than a fiver to buy. 2 minutes of googling found a retail site selling the exact same product with some slightly more honest labelling and significantly more honest pricing: http://www.snitactical.com/magpul-pts-ms2-multimission-sling-system-green-p-18.html Now, potentially, someone working at Z1 may be simply somewhat ignorant of tactical gear products and, as with a lot of airsofters, is under the illusion that absolutely anything Magpul is PTS (who stopped making Magpul a good while ago now). However, this is no excuse and frankly I HIGHLY doubt that's the case at all. They would've known exactly what they were buying when they imported the things wholesale. I've obviously made sure to screenshot the page and host it in a couple of places, because if there is something dubious going on I've no doubt my link there will be non-functional in short order. They were deleted from my favourites many years ago, my personal recommendation: Don't spend your money with these people. Even if they have something you need a little bit cheaper than elsewhere, they're in the game of swindling British airsofters and are not deserving of any of your hard earned cash.

Might well be able to get those yeah. Write down the sort of things you're potentially after and drop me a PM mate, if I can help out then I will.

You see how that just goes round in a never ending loop surely? I fully value everyone's right to hold their opinions, but saying people need to be murdered for their clothing? That for me personally is the point I actually start saying something about it; I ignore a lot of other stuff on a daily basis as I'm sure you do as well, that's just my line in the sand. The level to which I go very much depends on how absurd their statement was, my belief in the case of this thread is that a lot of people have been really insanely stupid in their comments about the things that should apparently be done to this lad just for his clothing. Said clothing may offend some people who've generally got nothing else that really matters to worry about, but obviously we're all well aware that the colour and cut of someone's jacket cannot cause physical harm to another living creature. I'm also quite certain I do have a right to call people moronic if I so choose within the law of this country, whether I do on this forum is a matter for the moderators, not you. What I in fact should have done technically is reported the content I found objectionable so it can be removed and the absurd implications found here be suitably gotten rid of for the benefit of all airsofters, same as you should have done with regards my post if you feel that strongly about it that you need to get judgemental and confrontational with me, but neither of us did and thus here we are. I'm not at all surprised about the response I can assure you, I was very much in expectation of it. But I still went ahead and said it with that expectation and awareness in mind because I really, really think people need to stop saying that this guy should be hurt or killed just because of his apparel. I chose to voice that opinion very strongly to say the least, because I deemed it suitable to do so given the things people have been saying in here. If you disagree that's alright, but my stance remains and shall continue to do so.

I've been wondering a lot about this since the Paris attacks and following introduction of this pointless proposed legislation. As you say, in the states when they change gun laws it's almost always a 'no more sales' rather than 'no more ownership' policy and every time they hint at banning anything it causes a monumental spike in sales of whatever they hint at banning. However people are generally, from my small amount of experience, far more politically active in the US and massively so when it comes to guns; combining this with the amount of pro-2A people there are it means their government is simply too afraid of even trying to implement amnesties or compulsory handing-in of certain weapons/accessories in most cases. Firearms and replicas thereof in the UK though... the pro are massively out-weighed by the anti, we've simply not the people-power to stop the powers that be doing whatever they like to our toys in the name of 'safety'. I 100% agree that the administering of an amnesty on all IFs would be a seriously costly venture and one the police force can quite evidently not afford to be wasting their already stretched time on doing. But I'm just not 100% that that would stop the government implementing a ban on ownership (as opposed to sales) anyway. You could well be right and there's no way to say for certain either way, but if this law came in from Europe and if we implemented it here, personally I'm really not sure which way it would swing.

Not always no, that's why I make typos sometimes. I fully stand behind what I said, being 'a youngster' is no excuse at all for saying crap of that level of painful ridiculousness. How's it going to look to outsiders who come on here and read members saying that other players should be actually murdered for dressing a certain way? Berating my opinion that others are in the wrong while telling me that everyone has a right to their opinion makes zero sense. Don't call me out for supposed hypocrisy then display it yourself.