Leo Greer

It literally just acts like an ordinary motor except for in conjunction with ETUs and other units that use AB or reverse the polarity for other reasons. For example, my primary uses a T238 33K brushless with the stock 18:1 gearset. I get 29 RPS on 11.1v with extremely snappy trigger response. No ETU, just the stock inline MOSFET and microswitch. But if you want OP trigger response… I used another T238 33K paired with a 16:1 spur, a standard 10T bevel, and an SHS DSG gear. Boom: 60 RPS. (Disclaimer: never used on auto in a game) But if you really want ultimate trigger response, you don’t need to go brushless: either build a simple 18:1 28TPA DSG on 11.1v, or a 12:1 28TPA SSG using 14.8v. Use a Perun or Gate and set precocking if you like. in general, you don’t need to go crazy expensive at all. My primary cost, in total, $350 USD or £270ish. Most of the time when people are recommending mad expensive upgrade sets it means they don’t really understand how to tech correctly: most stock parts can be adjusted, modified, and work just fine or better than “upgrades”, since they’re actually designed to fit the specific RIF you’re working on.

It definitely depends on where you’re at in the USA. I live in Texas in the South and acceptance is WAY higher than other places. I’m spending a lot of time in Wyoming in the north and people get freaked out when I mime clearing rooms with a finger pistol…

Obviously, our situation across the pond is a little different, but I thought I’d share anyways. I’ve gotten a lot of my friends into airsoft, and they’ve brought their friends and so on. The general process is very simple; we hang out, pull out the airsoft guns to show the uninitiated, and then offer to take them to the field. I have extra RIFs to share with folks, and we’ve made a lot of converts. Onto the price, in USD… You can get a good RIF for $170. Good mesh mask and military surplus goggles: $25 Good battery and charger: $45 10,000 BBs to start off (I can probably play 20 games on that amount): $22 Field fee for 9-5: $25 Transportation: Varied. I have my own car and live about 20 miles away, so: $3 Case of water (I’ll drink half on a field day): $4 Lunch: $8 at Subway, or $3 for a brought sandwich Entry cost: $265, £200 Field day cost: $40, £30 All in all it’s not horrible… but then you have folks like me with more like $300-800 into their RIF… 🤡

Break it! Break it! Break it!! I’ll confess, I’m still too scared of trashing a $100 motor or $75 ETU to try my T238 and Perun together. Some lovers are just never meant to meet, and you don’t know until they blow up. 😉

In order to have influence, I suspect you need one of two things: either a large base of active members, or an irrelevantly sized base with connections to the industry. For example, I participate on several other airsoft forums that don’t have a large amount of active members. However, we have a few folks who are connected in one way or another to the industry. One of the admins for the chief American airsoft forum is a distributor for MOS (E&L and Arcturus). On the AirsoftSniper forums there are several members who design, produce, and sell custom upgrade parts and even complete custom projects.

You should be okay. My calcs put you at approximately 26 RPS with 9.9v and 12:1, and at that point it’s down to individual build. I put together a 1J setup that did 30 RPS and it was fine, but I’ve also had troubles at 28 with another build.

In general, it's not about responding, it's about what's said and how politely it's communicated.

Sounds like a fun project. I considered a G36 for one of my builds, but the trigger/selector issues were what put me off in the end. Hope you get it all sorted!

In terms of recommending a gun, the first step is for you to go online, look around, and simply see what appeals to you. 😁 The right replica for you is highly individual based on what you value, and ultimately you're going to be happiest with the gun that presents the most characteristics you value, regardless of who's recommending what. The first step is for you to evaluate what you value. Do you have a specific pattern that you like? M4? M16? G36? AK-47, 74, 12? Do you have an overall profile that you like? Do you value ROF? Range? Upgradeability? My best beginner advice is to see what looks good to you, and then bring that back here and we can steer you into something that'll be quality and you'll enjoy.

Leo's Gameplan for Forum Success Step 1: Start over again as a beginner. "Hello all! I've never played airsoft but I'm here to learn new things and increase my knowledge." Step 2: Don't ask to be spoonfed, ask for info about things you've already researched. "I like the look of M4 replicas and the ones by G&G seem to be well-received; how do y'all feel about the CM-16? Is it reliable? What kind of range and accuracy could I expect? Thanks for the info!" Step 3: Take it step by step. Play with a rental, get your own gun, learn to play well, observe and learn. Gain experience. And then start asking about a field. You are not getting any responses to your question because you are asking the wrong question. They're just trying to point you towards the right ones.

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Easy answer... the KWA grips will fit right. But aside from that, you can sand the grip to correct fitment. Basically you need to attach the grip alone to the properly shimmed gearbox and make sure the baseplate angle even lines up correctly. If it does line up, that means you just need to sand until the grip baseplate and the bottom of the gearbox are flush. If your required motor insertion angle is weird (as some are), then your best bet is to simply use a KWA grip.

Typical ammo load? I know nothing about G36 mags, but I like to carry an EPM1 or two full. Chances are I never use that many shots... but sometimes I come close (infinite respawn games + really bad players).

Most likely the motor is just fine for your purposes. Just keep an eye on it and make sure it doesn't start smoking. 😉

More pics would be amazing, especially outside of the motor cage. Almost certainly though, it's a standard Chihai China Neo motor or similar. What RPS do you get from it with the M14? Is the gear ratio stock?

Aside from the FPS issue... It would be extremely useful to see comprehensive pics of the internals as well as videos showing the performance at the chronograph.

Spring twang can also simply be caused by the spring itself. Some are just twangy. If it bothers you, you can try to fix it, but the twang itself isn't doing anything harmful.

Myself and a few others did some testing a little while back. Here's the results we got: https://www.airsoftsniperforum.com/threads/crack-open-some-bbs-bb-quality-and-comparison-discussion.67345/

I was able to recreate an optical sticker by simply using scotch tape and a permanent marker. Just marker the correct area and you're off and running. Scotch tape is also much more resistant to being pried up or ruined by the edge of the gearbox. Also, as a tip, you can file down the edge of the gearbox that rubs on the sticker itself to solve the issue.

Whoa, why are we talking about time dilation here?? And sausage! Gotta say, I'm more interested in the latter.

That's the Systema PTW (Professional Training Weapon) system, which was an early version of a "complete remake" gearbox. They can still be found today, but they're mostly used as very expensive training weapons, as building one properly is usually in the realm of 2K USD. Basically, everything is completely different from a standard V2 AEG. It's not compatible in any way, except for some PTW hop units that allow the use of AEG hop rubbers and barrels. http://www.systema-engineering.com

As far as I'm aware, there aren't any ETUs w/ brushless controller included. We really only have a dozen or so makers of brushless motors for airsoft... if there was I'd be in.

Non-vented piston heads used to be the standard. And they do work, just not at higher RPS. At low RPS they're able to simply pull in air through the nozzle, but above about 18-20 this ceases to work. There are some mfgs that still use them. Seconds on a chrono and trying each piece individually. This is by far the best way to see the actual effect of what you're doing. Without a chronograph it's just guesswork.

The 10ms starting delay is likely because of startup torque. Brushless motors have a lot of instantaneous torque and have even been known to snap their drive shafts without a ramping program. Of course if you're using a 28TPA you'll have more torque. If you used a brushless motor of the same speed you'd have more torque. I used a 33K RPM T238 to pull an SP170 spring (M190 equivalent) in a DSG build and it still performed at high efficiency. Good luck getting a brushed motor of similar RPM to perform the same. Also, torque is not everything. Trigger response is still limited by the maximum RPM of the motor. For example, I have a 38TPA motor that runs about 15K RPM on 11.1v. Even using 12:1 gears, the trigger response is slow. Hence, I use a 14.8v to up the RPM.

As a note, brushless motors have a lot more torque than brushed. This varies with build and motor, but, as an example, The T238 brushess motor I use in my main build runs at about 99% efficiency (shooting 1.5J), rather than the more typical 80%. I can also highly recommend the T238 brushless motors. I use two, and have a few hundred thousand cycles combined on them. I've had no issues (yet...), and have found that their pinions mesh beautifully with both stock style Chinese/XYT sets, and "upgrade" sets such as SHS. Are they worth it? That depends entirely on you. For my purposes, the answer is yes. They don't go in every build, but on my go to replica that I pick up and play with constantly, the low power draw, no heat, smooth cycling, and reliability is nice. But, of course, they cost 3x a normal brushed motor that'll do just fine, and 1.5x a really nice brushed motor like a Tienly. It's all up to your personal opinion.