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It being a shorty, I reckon I'm most likely to use the SRC AK indoors CQB at Trojan's mill site, and that's semi-auto only rule in almost all circumstances, so technically I could probably get away with carrying just one spare mag, as that'd equate to having 30 three round taps with just one mag change, but I'll probably get a few mags anyway just to be on the safe side as I know GBB mags can go U/S occasionally. In any case I'm in no rush, it's probably gonna be too cold to get really good use out of a GBB at the moment (I'm not using my GBB MP5K at the moment for that reason, and that really has to be used on semi auto anyway because of its mental ROF, so the slower ROF of that SRC AK will be a welcome change, in any case, my GBB pistol was indicative of how crappy GBBs will do at the moment, barely managing three decent shots out in the cold last Sunday, although admittedly that pistol has a very small gas capacity, whereas those SRC AK gas mags apparently have good gas capacity). So if I really must use an AK whilst it is cold, I'll probably wheel out my AEG AK74SU, which has four spare 30 round mags for it. Either that or just stick with my M4 and its 300 round mag. Looking forward to getting hold of that SRC AK though. I've read a lot of good things about it and it looks to be decent quality from the vids I've seen. If their AEGs are anything to go by I'm sure it'll be pretty nice and reliable too.

Yup. Only cost me just over 20 quid too, and it works great in UK woodlands: http://www.tacticalgeartrade.co.uk/usmc-us-marine-army-navy-multi-camo-bdu-uniform-set.html

Well either way, it's not going to be too usable without a few extra mags, and they are 30-40 quid a pop, so reckon on throwing another ton at the thing.

Yup, upper limit on air pistols is 6ft/lbs, 12 ft/lbs for rifles. Anything more than that and you need a firearms certificate to possess one and have to have the secure steel cabinet etc to keep them in etc.This does not mean however, that weapons below that limit are not classed as firearms, since the legal definition of a firearm in the UK is: 'a lethal, barreled weapon from which any shot, bullet or missile can be discharged'. This opens the can of worms about what is 'lethal'. Of course even a fairly weak air pistol and certainly a weak air rifle can kill birds, rodents and such, so this means they are indeed lethal, since the definition of lethal does not only pertain to humans; lethal only means 'capable of causing death'. And I'd be inclined to think, as anyone who has ever been hit by one would, that a 500 fps airsoft sniper rifle could certainly kill a small bird or rodent, even with just a plastic BB, so by that definition, an airsoft weapon could be argued as being 'lethal' by a lawyer who was smart enough to twist some words.

Things which come from the US often get hit up by customs in the UK for the import duties taxes etc, but not always. With that in mind you should always consider adding maybe 20 percent or so to the price of anything you buy from the US and think about whether it would still be an acceptable price to pay (which it invariably still is). Sometimes you can get lucky however. I think the last thing I got from the US a few weeks ago was some USMC Multicam BDU combat pants, jacket and helmet cover, and I only got hit up for about 3.09 (Sterling) as a DHL handling charge, which was of course not a lot to pay. As far as legalities go, there should be no problem because it is not anything offensive, but defensive, so you couldn't actually harm anyone with the thing. To all intents and purposes, it's basically just an item of clothing. Where weapons are concerned, you should just be at pains to put your UKARA number on the additional comments bit when ordering online, asking them to note that on the delivery label, but the fact is, that if customs X-Ray a package and see that it is a gun shaped item, they probably are going to open it up, and then it's something of a dice roll as to whether they'd let it through. For example, a fully metal Gas Blowback weapon is going to be hard for someone not in the know about such things to distinguish from the real thing, as most of them strip down in a similar way to the real thing, and feel like the real thing too in terms of weight and such. So you should never be all that surprised if you get issues with something like that coming through customs. In fact, I did a bit of a test on this the other day, buying an AEG AK74SU from a dealer in the Czech Republic (it was only about 25 quid, but it is black with wood-coloured plastic foregrip, so it 's a RIF, and is a Class D firearm as far as the EU is concerned, even though in reality it is basically a toy BB gun). I'm not totally convinced that it's going to arrive without problems even though that's within the EU. If it doesn't make it, I'm only out by 25 quid, so I think it'll be an interesting experiment. I'll be more pissed off if the four spare mags for one of my other guns, which were on the same order, get stopped as a result of being in a package with that RIF. With regard to other stuff for airsoft, I'll echo that you want good face protection. I've seen people get teeth shot out at skirmishes, and despite this, I see many people only using minimal eye protection and nothing on their lower face. Yes it is a bit of a pain to have to wear stuff covering all your face, but that's better than a ruined smile and a big dental bill. Personally, I use wire mesh goggles (which were 12 quid) and a wire mesh lower half face mask which can be bent to fit your face well (think that was about a tenner). They give good protection which is almost 100 percent effective. I say almost because last Sunday at a woodland site, I got a hit on my right cheek by a BB which managed to just get in between where the goggles and the lower face mask meet, which is only a tiny gap, and that was from an L96 sniper rifle, so it was probably 500 feet per second. It did leave a mark and make a slight cut which took about a week to disappear. Actually I got another one down my right ear too (that bloody hurts lol). The lesson here is clear, if there is a gap, you can be sure a BB will find it at some point, so don't risk getting your teeth shot out.

Notable comments in Airsoft World review... 'it is about as close to an AK as you're gonna get without going to some odd parts of the world and purchasing one' 'comes apart just like the real thing' 'magazine holds 65 rounds' 'auto rate of fire is true to the original' Internal GBB mechanism animation from SRC:

Took a punt on one of these too. For a ton and a half I figured it was a bit of a bargain. This means I've now got six AKs lol Four AK74SUs, one AK47 and one AK12

It'd be well worth it if you could get it for less than 150 quid, but I suspect you may be reading the price wrong, it was 255 quid reduced from 299 when I just looked on there a second ago. Actually, scratch that, you were right on the price.

Assuming the gas seals on the valves which are on the magazine are okay (They may not be; they can develop leaks, but the seals can be repaired, there are many tutorials around the net on how to do this, but you will need a key wrench specifically for unfastening the valves, these are about 15 quid or so), then you should fill it up like this: put about 2-3 seconds of gas in, then wait a moment or two, then do it again. In any case, the reason you don't try and fill it all in one go, is because the gas is cold and it can shock cool the mag, making it brittle, and that can cause it to crack (not dissimilar to what occurs if you let a hot engine cool too quickly and crack the cooling fins as it contracts too fast). You should be able to test if the mag is holding gas okay by pressing the venting button (located up at the top of the mag on the rear of it) Gas Blowback mags have this button so you can release the gas at the end of a skirmish, or when taking the mag apart to service it, however, as a general rule, you should always try to leave a little bit of gas in your mags to keep them above atmospheric pressure, as this pushes down on the seal from the inside of the mag and helps washers and seals to remain well seated; if when you press the venting button, you get a strong outflow of gas, it means your seals are probably good, if the release of gas is fairly pathetic, then one of the valves could be leaking, and this could be a relatively slow leak which you may not hear, or quite a fast one, which it is likely you will hear, although if it is very bad, then the sound of the leak will be masked by the noise you make when filling it up, but it will be obvious that this is the case if your gun cannot fire very many shots or doesn't vent much gas when you press the venting button. Note that if it is very cold where you are, then this will affect how well any Gas (either Blowback or non Blockback) weapon works, since the difference in temperature and pressure when the local atmosphere gets cold has a detrimental effect on how a GBB weapon actually functions. In very cold weather, you can find that some GBB pistols, particularly those with a big metal heavy slide, such as Colt 1911 Model derivatives, are lucky to get five shots off, of course this is slightly less of an issue with TM guns, since they are plastic, but it is something which does still affect them. If the weapon has been sitting around doing nothing for a while, it may simply need a bit of a clean and lubrication, again, you can find guides to this, and how to field strip the weapon online fairly easily (have a look on youtube). However, if the mag has been sitting around without any gas in it at all, it is possible that the seal on the mag may need some attention. If it was sat around doing nothing and was loaded with BBs, then the magazine spring may have been weakened by remaining under compression for a long period, and that can sometimes cause feeding problems and jams. Unloading the mag and leaving it for some time may restore the spring's strength somewhat but this is not guaranteed, so in any case, do not leave your mags loaded with BBs for any length of time (i.e. not for days on end). Be sure that you are using decent BBs too, crappy cheap ass BBs can cause problems as well. If you do start taking it to bits to fix it, then work slowly and if you need to, take photos of where things are fitted before you take them apart, so that you will have a reference for where they go when reassembling the thing.

I think AOR2 suffers (not as badly, but still does suffer) from the same problem that British DPM suffers from, in that it is a bit too dark to be effective at long distances in typical UK woodland terrain, when colours fade owing to atmospheric pressure. I think Multicam is better in that respect, so that's why I use a Multicam USMC set in woodlands and a black SWAT load out for indoor CQB. But then again, I'm one of those players who tends to crawl around and roll about rather than simply crouching, which means I end up covered in sh*t, but at least it is sh*t which matches the background lol. However, that's only my opinion and if you like AOR2 and find it effective in the terrain you are playing in, at the sites you regularly attend, then fair enough.

I thought Bluestone 42 was a bit poor to be honest, the humour was fairly childish and it had a very predictable script. More akin to a student film rather than a professional BBC production. But as far as inaccuracies in technical details and equipment go, that sort of thing may bother those who think that everything in the text books is how it actually is in reality, but it very rarely is, especially when abroad where supply logistics can often be a problem. And as others have pointed out, it's meant to be entertainment, not a documentary, so I think we can let some technical detail inaccuracies slide too. In any case, there are loads of examples of people using non-standard issue gear or modifying equipment in the field during times of war: Battle of Britain pilots painting their Mae Wests with yellow dope so they'd stand out if they bailed out into the Channel. M113 APC crews putting flak jackets on the floor of their vehicles to increase the armour, and knocking up steering handle extensions so they could sit on the roof to drive and avoid being killed if a track went over a mine. Soldiers in Afghan and Iraq buying their own boots and wearing keffiyahs (before they were issued). Vietnam war door gunners spot welding an empty rations peach can onto the side of their M60s to make the rounds feed into the breech better. M79 Blooper gunners removing the front sight from the weapon so it didn't catch on bushes and aiming by guessing the tilt angle instead. F86 Saber pilots in Korea removing the lead computing optical sight from their aircraft and replacing it with a piece of well chewed gum stuck in the middle of the windscreen. Soldiers in tropical and dusty climates dropping their M16A1s and using AK47s instead the moment they could get their hands on one. Kriegsmarine Uboat crews in WW2 wearing British Army Battledress tops from captured stockpiles in France. Huey crews in Vietnam painting their (white) issued helmets green. Israeli pilots flying Avia S99 (Messerschmitt bf109s) fighters in the war against Egypt. Egypt using the C47 transport aircraft as a bomber against Israel. Red cross and Red Crescent medevac vehicles mounting guns, despite this being against the Geneva Conventions etc, etc, and I'm sure you can all think of many more examples. Non-standard stuff and modified equipment is really quite common on the front line, so unless an anomaly in a movie or TV show isn't blatantly stupid, patently impossible or obviously anachronistic, then we can't really say it is inaccurate.

I'd recommend giving Mount and Blade a look (there are a few versions kicking around, such as M&B Warband, Fire and Sword, etc, etc) plus a new update is presently under development. Graphically M&B isn't the best by a long way, and was not even the best even when it first came out, but the graphics are good enough and more than adequate for fun, and in any case, screw graphics snobbery, it's the gameplay which matters more. As far as combat mechanics are concerned, for a bit of swordplay, archery and (early) firearms, castle sieges and the like, either on or off horseback, in FPS mode, the M&B series has no equal. On your decent PC, you can crank everything up to full throttle and experience truly massive battles which are some of the most fun you'll ever have.

I've bought craploads of stuff from China and HK, all sorts of stuff from guitars to bits for airsoft. It tends to average a little less than two weeks for delivery, although it has been as quick as four days once or twice. It's probably just Amazon erring on the conservative side, I bet you it'll be here sooner than that, especially if it weighs not very much and can be compacted to fit easily in the corner of an air freight ULD container. Obviously on a container ship it'll take a long time, on an aeroplane it'll be a lot quicker. The 'month' they are quoting is because it takes a container ship approximately four weeks to get from HK to the UK via the Suez Canal and about five weeks if it goes via rounding the tip of South America, but I'm guessing it'll be driven to a hub and thrown into an airliner ULD and take maybe a week or so.

Fact is, whether you are painting fifty-one percent or five-hundred and fifty-one percent of the thing in blue, green or whatever, painting it up in camouflage colours which replicate those that a military force uses, absolutely is an attempt to make it look like a realistic firearm. No amount of 'interpretation' as to what the two-toning mentioned in the VCR Act means is going alter the fact that you would be 'manufacturing a RIF', which is specifically mentioned in the VCR Act. So (without a legitimate reason for having done so) this means you would be stepping outside the legal boundaries of the VCR Act and would be liable to a prosecution if you did not have a reason for having done so. But - and is an important point - keep in mind that the VCR Act is intended to 'do what it says on the tin', i.e. it is the Violent Crime Reduction Act. That is its purpose. It is not the Stop You Playing Airsoft Act, nor is it the Stop You Having a Realistic Looking Firearm Act. So long as you are within the boundaries of when the VCR Act says you can have a RIF, then you absolutely can have a RIF. Someone at home possessing a RIF, or painting up a gun to look more realistic is nothing whatsoever to do with UKARA at all, nor are they crossing the boundaries of the VCR Act, since they are at home and not out somewhere committing a Violent Crime. And UKARA is simply a means for retailers to determine whether you have a legitimate reason to buy a RIF, so that they can sell you one with a clear conscience and be safe from prosecution. If you have a legitimate reason for owning a RIF, i.e. you regularly go skirmishing, then you don't need a UKARA at all, and anyone who says that you do, does not understand either what UKARA is, or what the VCR Act pertains to. UKARA is not the law, what is mentioned in the VCR Act is the law. Behave responsibly and don't be a dickhead with your guns by waving them about in public and scaring people, and you can have as many RIFs as you want, with or without a UKARA.

Having seen the video of the shooting (and if you have not, note that it is not particularly graphic, it is from a security camera from quite some distance away, which is taking a still shot once every few seconds, so is in fact more like a sees of very grainy still shots than an actual video) a couple of things come to mind from seeing it. First up, the police car doesn't really seem to be driven up to the scene in a particularly intelligent or tactically sensible fashion; it speeds onto the grass of a small park in front of a recreation centre, where the kid is standing under a small bandstand, comes to a halt, and one police officer is out of the car and firing a shot literally within two-three seconds of the car having stopped. So, full marks for rapid reactions, but no marks for giving yourself time to assess the threat from a safe distance. Arriving that close to the reported suspect is just asking for trouble in my opinion, and in fact it looks to me as though the officer riding in the front passenger seat simply gets out of the car as it halts, reacts to some movement from the child and fires instinctively. If they'd instead rolled up to the park a bit further away, staying on the road, they'd have probably been better able to judge matters and take things a bit more calmly, perhaps taking cover behind their vehicle and shouting at him to drop the weapon, kick it away and then lie on the ground. As it stands, it all happens too quickly and it looks doubtful that they did any of that. Second, the young lad is definitely not helping himself by what he is doing, i.e. walking up and down the street in front of a recreation/community centre waving what does genuinely look like a real semi-automatic pistol. When we hear the 911 call from the old gentleman who reports the matter, he does say it might not be a real weapon, but of course it is intended to look like a real weapon - even upon fairly close inspection - so we can hardly be surprised that he is calling it in to the police, as I would hope any responsible citizen would do. I should think that most twelve year old kids, unless they are either retarded or extremely naive, would be aware that this could be a result of walking up and down the street with what really does look like a real semi-automatic pistol, in broad daylight. If not, then we have to conclude that the kid's parents bear some responsibility for the occurrence, in either allowing him to have the thing/buying the thing for him, and particularly for not having drilled some common sense into the kid with regard to not doing stupid stuff which could result in tragedies such as what happened. In the days when I was a kid, it was absolutely fine to run around with toy guns playing in the street, because guns in the UK were a real rarity in crimes and so anyone seeing a kid with a 'gun' would have known for sure it was a toy cap gun. That and the fact that toy guns when I was a kid rarely looked like the real thing that often anyway. These days however, gun crime is far more prevalent, and we know kids as young as 12 can and do use them, particularly in gangs in inner city areas. So it is not a stretch at all for a passer-by - or indeed a police officer attending a call out - to be convinced that even a young kid could be carrying a real firearm. And that airsoft gun which Tamir Rice had when he was shot certainly does look very realistic indeed. So, I'd say this is a deadly and tragic combination of not terrible, but certainly less than brilliant, policing and less than smart behaviour from the child who was shot, coupled with some less than brilliant parenting. I seriously doubt there was any racial motivation on the part of the police officer in what he did; he may be the most racist cop in the world for all I know, but what he did was clearly an instinctive reaction rather than a racially motivated action.

Fact is, it's dumb to wave a gun around and public, whether it be real or a toy. At 12 years old, the kid might have been either too young, or simply too dumb to realise the consequences of doing so, and we will probably never know which was the case. So that leaves us with one conclusion really, and that is that if there is any question as to whether the kid was either too young or simply too stupid to know the risks, then there is no room for doubt if this sort of thing is to be prevented, and therefore the sale and possession of RIFs should have an age limit, in order to avoid the possibility that it might be a case of simply being too young to realise the consequences. If this was the way things were, then anyone old enough to wave something about like that, could quite justifiably be shot by the police, because they would have asked for it by being so stupid as to put themselves at risk, knowing that is what they are doing. For all we know, the kid might have been a right little sh*t who richly deserved what he got, or a sweet young kid who was just too naive to know what a risk he was taking, and so it only makes sense to remove the possibility of either being the case, by removing the ability for young kids to legitimately have a RIF. Frankly, I don't blame the police for shooting him, what else were they supposed to do? Wait for him to drop a passer by with a couple of shots before acting? There was no easy choice for them, but it's certainly easy for people to be judgemental about their actions from the comfortable position of hindsight, especially when they aren't the ones called out to respond to a potentially lethal threat and protect the public from harm. A case in point was this Sunday. It was 7am and I was carrying stuff out to my car to go airsofting, and that included my entirely realistic-looking Dragunov Sniper Rifle, and this whilst I was dressed in full USMC camouflage. Now at that time it was dark, so it was unlikely that anyone would see anything of this, but I still waited until there was nobody coming past my house either on foot or in a car before I carried the thing out to my car, because I know that anyone seeing someone dressed in camo gear, carrying a sniper rifle, is justifiably going to crap themselves and call an armed response unit in. And I wouldn't blame them if they did. Our hobby comes with the demand for a good deal of responsibility when we could easily scare the crap out of someone and provoke a tragic occurrence. That is what a RIF can do, and sadly, in this case, is exactly what it did do.

Few suggestions: Spare mags, Helmet, Helmet Accessories, Tac Light, PEQ Box, Spare Battery, Battery Charger, Knife, Grenades or Smoke Bombs, Laser, Knee or Elbow Pads, Gloves, Velcro Name Tags/Zap Tags/Unit Badges, Keffiyah, Good Boots, Rifle Bag, Holster/Pistol (note that GBB pistols are fairly crap outside right now in this weather).

It's a good point about the durability of it in terms of taking it apart often, in fact, where the mag release spring lever attaches is very weak, to the extent that I basically remade that part with an additional bolt through the other side of the tube which the catch sits on, in order to stop that from coming apart as the spring puts the plastic under quite a lot of tension. It's likely that I'll do some kind of mod with all the screw holes too, since - as it comes - the screw holes are likely to strip their threads easily. Took it to a skirmish on Sunday, didn't use it myself as I was using my M4, but I did lend it to someone else when their gun stopped working. It had a few minor issues with the fire selector, but it was basically usable and I know the guy got a few kills with it, although the battery is certainly not up to an entire day and I did in fact put a spare one in there after a while.

Welcome aboard. Frankly, there are several reasons why renting for three or so skirmishes until you can sort a UKARA will work in your favour, particularly if you've been out of things for a while and aren't sure about what most people are using these days. For example... Renting is not much more expensive than turning up with your own gear (probably about a fiver or so, maybe a tenner), and you may find that the hire gun you use is one that you like the feel of, or even if you don't like the particular weapon or protective gear you hire, then that too can be useful in determining what to buy. It'll let you see what gear/weapopns everyone else is using, giving you time/ideas on deciding what to buy. Chatting to others at the skirmish before getting your hand in your pocket for a weapon or some othewr expensive bit of gear is generally not a bad idea (people at the site you visit are likely to be using what works best at that location).

LMAO. Well, at least you'll be the only one at your skirmish with an AK12. I'm starting to kind of like its looks now it has a tac light, foregrip and red dot sight on it

Welcome aboard.

The CYMA 02 AK gearbox is now in my AK12. Theoretically, with a bit of fiddling, you could just drop it straight in, put it back together and off you go, although in practice it required a bit more effort. So for anyone contemplating doing a similar thing, here's how mine went: The gearbox does drop straight in place, however, the wires have to reach spring loaded terminals at the rear of the receiver which connect to the terminals on the stock housing the battery. Those wires can easily foul the gearbox and prevent it from sitting properly in place, so I made that a little bit easier by shaving two small channels into the moulded runners on the inside of the left half of the main body of the rifle, to give the wires a bit of room to easily pass under the gearbox housing. The plastic was easily shaved out using a broad chisel blade. The CYMA gearbox comes with a Tamiya plug on it, so I cut that off, stripped some of the insulation off the remaining wire, cut the two terminals off the old gearbox, leaving a bit of wire attached to those, and then simply joined those to the wires on the CYMA gearbox then soldered the wire twists and covered them with insulation. Upon putting the gun back together, I discovered a minor issue arises when switching the CYMA 02 gearbox for the original plastic one: When you slide the pistol grip over the motor section of the gearbox, you find that the countersunk hole for the screw on the bottom of the pistol grip (where the motor height is adjusted) is approximately four millimeters further to the rear than the threaded hole on the bottom of the CYMA gearbox. You can tilt the pistol grip enough to get the screw to go in and fasten up, but doing that would mean the pistol grip would not sit nicely against the lower receiver, so what I've done, is fill the screw hole (with Milliput) and then re-drill a new hole for the screw a bit further forward, which means the pistol grip does now seat properly. So, not quite a 'drop in' modification, but not very far off it, and easy enough for anyone to do with some very basic tools. I've not chrono'd the thing (will try to do so this week) but it does shoot very hot now and if I put a better barrel and hop up on it (which I probably shall) then it would be a very very good rifle indeed, and it is already pretty good now even with the original barrel and hop up unit. So, total cost thus far for an AK12 with decent internals: 69.99 for the gun, 40.13 for the gearbox adds up to 110.12. If it was any other sort of widely available rifle type, I'd say it was not worth the effort of doing it, but since it is the only AK12 you can get, and you want one that you could reliably skirmish with, then it is worth doing this little project, as sticking a decent barrel and hop on it would still have the thing probably costing less than 150 quid.

I win (or lose depending on which way you look at it) 49 here, although since my girlfriend is gorgeous, I don't give a crap

I'm guessing (and it is a guess), that the airsoft AK74 mags are the same as the AK47 ones in terms of how they feed the rounds, in that they don't have the little raised ridge to prevent you putting one into an AK47, as is the case on real AK74 mags, since there is no need to worry about calibre differences on airsoft versions. And since the fitting differences are pretty much cosmetic where pretty much all airsoft guns are concerned and certainly when it comes to AKs, I'm assuming that they never bothered modelling that difference on the top bit of their AK74 mag versus the top bit of their AK47 mag, and even if they did, I bet you could bodge it with a bit of judicious filing. It'd be fairly cheap to find out in any case, since a mag is only 20 quid, and if it did not fit you could always fling it on ebay or whatever, and you'd maybe be out a fiver after selling it.

Obviously the Cybergun Thompson drum mag is out, since it would be too wide for the M41's body, which is a shame because that can hold over 1,000 rounds., So, there's a 420 round mag for the King Arms airsoft Thompson, which I guess would be about 25 quid or so. Dunno whether it would fit the Cybergun Thompson though, although I'm guessing it would. But.... even if it did, that would not be the main problem. As you probably know, the 'real' M41A pulse rifles made for the movie were built from genuine Auto Ordnance Thompson SMGs, and it's for that reason that the existing Snow Wolf Airsoft version of the M41A Pulse Rifle was based on an airsoft Thompson layout, which means you can fit airsoft Thompson magazines into the Snow Wolf M41A, but they stick out the bottom and don't allow you to replace the bottom cover on the weapon. I'm assuming that if you made your own M41A to the correct movie-faithful dimensions, you would also have the same issue. In any case, you really ought to nuke the planet from orbit; it's the only way to be sure. P.S. That Cybergun Thompson may be cheap, but it's actually not terrible. I've got two airsoft Thompsons, both of them are drum mag versions, one is CYMA version and the other is a Cybergun one like yours, but with the drum mag as opposed to the stick mag. I think it's quite a fun thing to have on the wall (which is precisely where mine are, because I wanted both the 'Chicago' type with the fore grip and the military versions with the simpler furniture). Obviously the Cybergun one isn't massively robust and is an LPEG, but there are certainly worse things out there, and I bet you could get away with skirmishing it as long as you didn't fire it on full auto for too long. The CYMA one has proper Asuto Ordnance 1927 trademarks on it though, so it's a very cool wall hanger.