Fogging - WarQ or what’s best?

[Bullribs]

Fogging is becoming an issue. Any thoughts of ideas on best helmet or googles. Currently have tried fans, dye masks, wileyx googles. Just can not get a good fix for the issue. Tried different coatings. I feel the issue is ventilation! 
help required 

[Cannonfodder]

I've always found catcrap works well. One application in the morning and maybe another at lunch on particularly hot or humid days is enough to keep everything clear

 

What eye protection are you using at the moment?

[Tommikka]

8 minutes ago, Bullribs said:

Fogging is becoming an issue. Any thoughts of ideas on best helmet or googles. Currently have tried fans, dye masks, wileyx googles. Just can not get a good fix for the issue. Tried different coatings. I feel the issue is ventilation! 
help required 

Ventilation is usually the main issue.

 

Dye goggles are typically good for ventilation. 
Are your Wileyx just the goggle element ?   In which case ventilation shouldn’t be an issue because your nose and mouth wouldn’t be exhaling into an area trapping your breath 

 

So what else are you doing?

Wearing a scarf, snood etc and trapping the hot/moist air?

Using a seperate face guard ?  Are you restricting the air flow?

Wearing a helmet ? Is it close to the top of your goggles and restricting flow from top vents?

 

 

 

Another cause is your hot head - making a heat source inside the goggle, sweating etc

After market coatings should not be used as a first choice - any manufacturer coating can lose its effectiveness 

Fans etc can aid moving the air, but if it’s trapped and not flowing then you’re just moving hot air

[Mr Dellski]

I’ve a Warq lid and it is outstanding for anti-fog. Basically none.

 

Very well ventilated.

 

Just hard to come by since they stopped selling to the public and put all focus on military & police 🫤 

Edited Tuesday at 21:21 by Mr Dellski

[Bullribs]

14 minutes ago, Tommikka said:

Ventilation is usually the main issue.

 

Dye goggles are typically good for ventilation. 
Are your Wileyx just the goggle element ?   In which case ventilation shouldn’t be an issue because your nose and mouth wouldn’t be exhaling into an area trapping your breath 

 

So what else are you doing?

Wearing a scarf, snood etc and trapping the hot/moist air?

Using a seperate face guard ?  Are you restricting the air flow?

Wearing a helmet ? Is it close to the top of your goggles and restricting flow from top vents?

 

 

 

Another cause is your hot head - making a heat source inside the goggle, sweating etc

After market coatings should not be used as a first choice - any manufacturer coating can lose its effectiveness 

Fans etc can aid moving the air, but if it’s trapped and not flowing then you’re just moving hot air

Currently using bloc glasses. With a mesh lower for a mouth shield.

 

I feel the main issue is heat and moisture from the mesh somehow coming back up into the eye area. Why I question this is because I’ve used googles with a full seal and still get issues. So… that thought process brought me to using anti fog solutions to coat the lens.

 

I don’t normally run hot or sweaty. So the next thing is to move the warm air completely away from the eye area or increase the area in which the fogging is occurring to help prevent it.

 

 

5 minutes ago, Mr Dellski said:

I’ve a Warq lid and it is outstanding for anti-fog. Basically none.

 

Very well ventilated.

 

Just hard to come by since they stopped selling to the public and put all focus on military & police 🫤 

I’ve found a company who has them. But no spare lenses or replacement lenses. That’s the but which has put me off. Getting the spares 

[Emergencychimps]

1 hour ago, Bullribs said:

 

 

I feel the main issue is heat and moisture from the mesh somehow coming back up into the eye area. Why I question this is because I’ve used googles with a full seal and still get issues. So… that thought process brought me to using anti fog solutions to coat the lens.

 

Ventilation, ventilation, ventilation! (and some anti fog). 

 

On my mesh masks I trim some of the vertical (or horizontal) bits of wire out, it just reduces the amount of wire giving protection and increases the size of the holes for the moisture to escape through. I have had some face shots still "hit me", but nothing compared with not wearing a mask. 

 

I also glued a bit of rubbery type material to the inside of it at the top so it causes a "seal" against my face, this way the hot, moist air from my breath goes forward and out, not up to the inside of my glasses. 

 

I then don't wear any scarfs/neck buff things, everything I can to get sweat to evaporate. If I am wearing a helmet, a couple of buffs cut in half to absorb the sweat, I say a couple because I keep the spare dry ones in my pockets and I then change these when respawning or between games if I am very sweaty. This also stops any sweat from my head etc running down and adding to my problems. 

 

Always use anti fog coating on the inside of my glasses. I use the Bob hopes visor spray for motor bike riders, I have heard some people say they felt it damaged their glasses, but I run cheap Bolle Siliums from screwfix which I generally replace every 6 months or so (so I am not bothered, works for me). I reapply at lunch and religious about doing it before the game starts. 

 

If it still fogs, I find just moving the glasses a couple of mms away from my face helps with the air flow around them too (this is rare and isn't enough to cause a safety issue). 

 

 

[Rogerborg]

2 minutes ago, Emergencychimps said:

If I am wearing a helmet, a couple of buffs cut in half to absorb the sweat, I say a couple because I keep the spare dry ones in my pockets and I then change these when respawning or between games if I am very sweaty. This also stops any sweat from my head etc running down and adding to my problems. 

 

I use 1980s style towelling headbands, and as you say, rotate through 3 of them.  This is specifically what they were designed for (also good for Jane Fonda impression loadouts).

 

 

2 minutes ago, Emergencychimps said:

Always use anti fog coating on the inside of my glasses. I use the Bob hopes visor spray for motor bike riders, I have heard some people say they felt it damaged their glasses, but I run cheap Bolle Siliums from screwfix which I generally replace every 6 months or so (so I am not bothered, works for me). I reapply at lunch and religious about doing it before the game starts. 

 

Visor spray, Cat-Crap, Revision wipes, all help.  Dual pane helps too, like Pyramed iForce or rebranding, or DIY dual panes made with PETG sheet and 2mm or 3mm double sided foam tape.

 

Ultimately though, the only thing that really works for me is fan ventilation.  Googles with a small built in fan, or DIY fans and ducting work for me, or there's Ex-Fog, the Novritsch equivalent, or you could try a cheap generic one for £21 delivered from AliExpress.

 

Although when my dodgy fan wiring failed last time, I just switched to mesh goggles and, wow, problem solved.

[Chev Chelios]

27 minutes ago, Rogerborg said:

 

also good for Jane Fonda impression loadouts.

 

 

 

 

 

Any photos?

 

Swapped to https://trittech-us.com/en-gb/products/air-raiders few years ago now. Not had an issue since and I could FOG a DYE Mask. 

Edited Tuesday at 23:52 by Chev Chelios

[The_Lord_Poncho]

9 hours ago, Rogerborg said:

 I just switched to mesh goggles and, wow, problem solved.

This, and never look back.....

 

To be fair, I do still prefer traditional googles indoors due to the lower lighting levels, and super close ranges. The Pyramex V2G goggles are the most inherently unfoggable goggles i have tried, and when teamed with the antifog unit (mine is a nov one), i don't have any issues at all.

[Tommikka]

15 hours ago, Bullribs said:

Currently using bloc glasses. With a mesh lower for a mouth shield.

 

I feel the main issue is heat and moisture from the mesh somehow coming back up into the eye area. Why I question this is because I’ve used googles with a full seal and still get issues. So… that thought process brought me to using anti fog solutions to coat the lens.

 

I don’t normally run hot or sweaty. So the next thing is to move the warm air completely away from the eye area or increase the area in which the fogging is occurring to help prevent it.

 

 

I’ve found a company who has them. But no spare lenses or replacement lenses. That’s the but which has put me off. Getting the spares 

I’m not the right person to help with glasses type such as the Blocs as I hate them as a protection - impact is fine with glasses, (as long as they are designed for inpact). But they have to fit, be worn properly and securely 

(I’ve seen so many BBs get in via the side etc - which seems OK when the energy is lost on the way, but that’s a failure)

 

Glasses types should not be fogging internally (If it was just with that type I’d be suggesting to consider also whether it is external - try them then do a finger wipe)

 

The cause will be air flow due to all the additional factors of mesh guards etc

 

Try wearing your different options in different conditions.   Eg if you just sit down inside in ambient conditions, not being active - you should have zero fogging with glasses alone as you aren’t generating extra & trapping your breath 

Then move on to moving around and heavier breathing. 
 

If you have fogging without excess breathing then you’re either a very heavy breather or a heat source

 

 

Once you’ve ideally cracked getting fog free glasses try again with your mesh - again with no activity, moving to mild and stronger activity - the difference would be the extra air flow problems / air being forced into the glasses/goggles

[BigStew]

Being a fat, sweaty lad I have had great success with a pair of bollie raider and an exfog unit. It's light enough it attached to the head band and you can barely hear it.

[Fatboy40]

14 hours ago, Rogerborg said:

I just switched to mesh goggles and, wow, problem solved.

 

Hopefully from a certain Heroic Elasmobranch Cartilaginous Fish gentleman?  

 

(I sent him a pair of my Guard Dog Evader 2's to put his mesh in, with a multi-cam paint job, and I use them all the time as a DMR / Sniper. However, I have eye glasses under them and somehow these still steam up a little so I still run an ExFog on my boonie)

[Rogerborg]

2 hours ago, Fatboy40 said:

Hopefully from a certain Heroic Elasmobranch Cartilaginous Fish gentleman?  

 

DIY. 3.5mm hexagonal hole / 4.5mm pitch / 1.mm galvanised steel sheet.  No warranty, not medical advice, the value of your eyesight may fall as well as rise.

 

 

 

[The_Lord_Poncho]

2 hours ago, Rogerborg said:

 

DIY. 3.5mm hexagonal hole / 4.5mm pitch / 1.mm galvanised steel sheet.  No warranty, not medical advice, the value of your eyesight may fall as well as rise.

 

Very interested in this - is the mesh readily cutable by tin snips, and what glue did you manage to use to stick it to the fames?

[Tommikka]

@The_Lord_Poncho
 

Note @Rogerborgincluded a health warning about eyesight

 

Making your own mesh eye protection will not result in meeting safety standards.  Sites should not be letting players use home made / modified eye protection 

 

In addition, if making mesh lens inserts they aren’t necessarily going to remain in situ when hit

[Rogerborg]

37 minutes ago, The_Lord_Poncho said:

Very interested in this - is the mesh readily cutable by tin snips, and what glue did you manage to use to stick it to the fames?

 

Yes, and cable ties. Definitely don't do this.

 

 

14 minutes ago, Tommikka said:

Sites should not be letting players use home made / modified eye protection 

 

I agree, don't do this. Buy your home made eyepro from @heroshark 

[MrTea]

Revision Anti-fog cloths + exfog. Never had fogging since when using my ESS Profile NVG goggles, however, condensation sometimes is an issue but very rare.

If the goggles/eye pro you're using has foam around the sides, pull it off. It helps massively with air flow.

Edited 20 hours ago by MrTea

[TheMeekon]

Came back to Airsoft after 10 years and my ESS turbofans have died and it seems they don't make them anymore. I fog terribly and it ruins the game for me so willing to pay whatever.

 

First I picked up the masked solutions googles with the fan, bit pricey and thought the cable would annoy me. Worked perfectly, absolutely zero fogging running around in CQB all day. My son now uses these when we play together and no complaints from him.

 

I also picked up a helmet and have the Ex fog running through into some Wiley X spears. Fogged straight away after 30mins of running around but as with my Turbofans removing the foam from the top of the goggles solved this. I also made sure the tubes were pointing correctly. Rest of the day zero fogging. I've always avoided helmets but enjoyed this setup.