Moderators Jez_Armstrong Posted October 19, 2024 Moderators Share Posted October 19, 2024 On 19/10/2024 at 02:58, MistakenMexican said: You can still buy them from Airsoft World? we’ll have to see how it goes - Asian airsoft companies are famed for ignoring trademarks and license. I haven’t seen anything in the news about it but maybe I’m not looking hard enough. Expand Word on the grapevine is one of the big manufacturers won't be making anymore Glocks.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimFromHorsham Posted October 19, 2024 Share Posted October 19, 2024 On 19/10/2024 at 06:14, Jez_Armstrong said: Word on the grapevine is one of the big manufacturers won't be making anymore Glocks.... Expand they will make them , someone else will just make parts with Glock written on them . Airsoft always finds a way 👌🏼 MistakenMexican 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Jez_Armstrong Posted October 19, 2024 Moderators Share Posted October 19, 2024 On 19/10/2024 at 06:21, JimFromHorsham said: they will make them , someone else will just make parts with Glock written on them . Airsoft always finds a way 👌🏼 Expand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimFromHorsham Posted October 19, 2024 Share Posted October 19, 2024 On 19/10/2024 at 06:52, Jez_Armstrong said: Expand (the grapevine) Mr Dellski 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Jez_Armstrong Posted October 19, 2024 Moderators Share Posted October 19, 2024 On 19/10/2024 at 06:59, JimFromHorsham said: (the grapevine) Expand A very VERY reliable source told me a certain company won't be making anymore Glocks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MistakenMexican Posted October 19, 2024 Share Posted October 19, 2024 On 19/10/2024 at 08:17, Jez_Armstrong said: A very VERY reliable source told me a certain company won't be making anymore Glocks Expand We’ll have to see. Until I see something specific and credible, I’ll be hopeful. I remember near identical rumours going around from people in the industry when UMAREX acquired the rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Jez_Armstrong Posted October 19, 2024 Moderators Share Posted October 19, 2024 On 19/10/2024 at 13:18, MistakenMexican said: We’ll have to see. Until I see something specific and credible, I’ll be hopeful. I remember near identical rumours going around from people in the industry when UMAREX acquired the rights. Expand UMAREX isn't based in Japan though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enid_Puceflange Posted October 20, 2024 Share Posted October 20, 2024 So, apparently Glock has presented Tokyo Marui with a Cease & Desist order Making TM stop production currently of anything Glock shaped This video explains the shortage of gen 4 & 5 TM Glock (Gen 3 was apparently over produced with stock still available) 4 & 5’s are nigh on impossible to source in HK and Taiwan 😳 As the man say, “if you have a gen 5 - keep it! “ Jaeger also mentions it in this video @7:43 Find one, buy it! 😂 https://youtu.be/Onu1oS9pjFQ?si=ePV_Jg4ARuv34Why Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigStew Posted October 20, 2024 Share Posted October 20, 2024 On 20/10/2024 at 11:24, Enid_Puceflange said: So, apparently Glock has presented Tokyo Marui with a Cease & Desist order Making TM stop production currently of anything Glock shaped This video explains the shortage of gen 4 & 5 TM Glock (Gen 3 was apparently over produced with stock still available) 4 & 5’s are nigh on impossible to source in HK and Taiwan 😳 As the man say, “if you have a gen 5 - keep it! “ Jaeger also mentions it in this video @7:43 Find one, buy it! 😂 https://youtu.be/Onu1oS9pjFQ?si=ePV_Jg4ARuv34Why Expand I thought the whole thing is Japan doesn't have copyright laws they way the west does and that have about half the reason they don't bother with international markets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MistakenMexican Posted October 20, 2024 Share Posted October 20, 2024 On 20/10/2024 at 11:24, Enid_Puceflange said: So, apparently Glock has presented Tokyo Marui with a Cease & Desist order Making TM stop production currently of anything Glock shaped This video explains the shortage of gen 4 & 5 TM Glock (Gen 3 was apparently over produced with stock still available) 4 & 5’s are nigh on impossible to source in HK and Taiwan 😳 As the man say, “if you have a gen 5 - keep it! “ Jaeger also mentions it in this video @7:43 Find one, buy it! 😂 https://youtu.be/Onu1oS9pjFQ?si=ePV_Jg4ARuv34Why Expand So this exact rumour was used in 2016/17 in the US to explain why Tokyo Marui couldn’t sell glocks in the US. We’ll have to see. If it goes like last time, they’ll pause production for 12-24 months then carry on as normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitmanNo2 Posted October 20, 2024 Share Posted October 20, 2024 I'd like to think that in a what I assume is still a traditional country like Japan, a "representative" of TM would knock on the front door of whoever runs Baton Airsoft or whoever is messing things up and "suggest" they reverse course and that sorts it. 😄 JimFromHorsham 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krisz Posted October 20, 2024 Share Posted October 20, 2024 (edited) On 20/10/2024 at 11:24, Enid_Puceflange said: So, apparently Glock has presented Tokyo Marui with a Cease & Desist order Making TM stop production currently of anything Glock shaped This video explains the shortage of gen 4 & 5 TM Glock (Gen 3 was apparently over produced with stock still available) 4 & 5’s are nigh on impossible to source in HK and Taiwan 😳 As the man say, “if you have a gen 5 - keep it! “ Jaeger also mentions it in this video @7:43 Find one, buy it! 😂 https://youtu.be/Onu1oS9pjFQ?si=ePV_Jg4ARuv34Why Expand I'm not educated enough on this topic but Marui never cared about trade marks, royalties and stuff like that. This could apply to the other 4-5 (?) manufacturers who actually make guns instead of putting logos on them. VFC doesn't care about SIG (I think SIG tried to do the same thing with them (last year?) and they make MPX, MCX, SPEAR etc. regardless ignoring them completely. 🤣 Yes it's not called VFC but we still know who runs the show. This topic is interesting by the way because how jurisdictions and stuff like this work. If they want to take them to court that could take several years, silly amount of money, then appealing etc. Not saying it couldn't happen but it's gonna be interesting to see it how this one plays out. Edited October 20, 2024 by Krisz MistakenMexican 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiantKiwi Posted October 20, 2024 Share Posted October 20, 2024 On 20/10/2024 at 13:49, BigStew said: I thought the whole thing is Japan doesn't have copyright laws they way the west does and that have about half the reason they don't bother with international markets. Expand They only allow copyright on items on sale in Japan, as firearms are illegal to possess, Glock normally wouldn't have a leg to stand on. However, as Glock have now licensed their designs to Baton for Japan, the principle has changed. Baton are selling licensed Glock items in principle and thus Glock now have the legal capability to issue the cease and desist and have it mean something there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rj1986 Posted October 21, 2024 Share Posted October 21, 2024 (edited) Damn...knew i should've bought one. But only now, due to FOMO. Hopefully this will be like when there was a big hoo-hah about H&K doing the same 25 years ago for those that remember. It might mean that we see TM going the WE route and calling it a GP17 or something and get production started up again. Or partnering with umarex (shudder) Edited October 21, 2024 by rj1986 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KacperQQ Posted October 21, 2024 Share Posted October 21, 2024 I see I'm lucky 😅😅 all I have to do is hide it and it might be a good investment 🤣 MistakenMexican and Jacob Wright 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacob Wright Posted October 21, 2024 Share Posted October 21, 2024 Might put mine back in the box 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimFromHorsham Posted October 21, 2024 Share Posted October 21, 2024 Happy I bought one for play and another for … rainy day play 😛 Mr Dellski, Jacob Wright and KacperQQ 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krisz Posted October 21, 2024 Share Posted October 21, 2024 (edited) I can't wait to see the scalpers who are gonna buy the last few in stock and try to resell with 200% markup. Edited October 21, 2024 by Krisz MistakenMexican and KacperQQ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rj1986 Posted October 21, 2024 Share Posted October 21, 2024 They'll be lucky, seems to be out everywhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitmanNo2 Posted October 21, 2024 Share Posted October 21, 2024 There's still a few about in the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rj1986 Posted October 21, 2024 Share Posted October 21, 2024 On 21/10/2024 at 12:48, hitmanNo2 said: There's still a few about in the UK. Expand Got any leads? My googling is on page 7 and can't see any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitmanNo2 Posted October 21, 2024 Share Posted October 21, 2024 On 21/10/2024 at 13:27, rj1986 said: Got any leads? My googling is on page 7 and can't see any. Expand Ah. Sorry. I had an open tab that showed them in stock but they must have sold out and the stock didn't update. Sorry to get your hopes up. rj1986 and MistakenMexican 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rj1986 Posted October 22, 2024 Share Posted October 22, 2024 So whilst waiting for files to upload at work, I did a bit more reading around the TM/Glock thing. So I'm now hearing that there wasn't a cease and desist, and that everyone is quoting each other as a source. It might actually be down to TM reviewing their manufacturing of the 17.5 and there being a design flaw which they are fixing before the next batch. So who knows... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Jez_Armstrong Posted October 22, 2024 Moderators Share Posted October 22, 2024 (edited) Don't expect TM to be making anymore Glocks Edited October 22, 2024 by Jez_Armstrong MistakenMexican 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitmanNo2 Posted October 22, 2024 Share Posted October 22, 2024 For what it's worth, Western Arms sued/did legal stuff to TM over Berettas as WA held the Beretta licence in Japan. TM still make Berettas, they just can't have accurate trades. No more Glock trades is the most likely outcome I think here if this is not just a storm in teacup and everyone is freaking out over unsubstantiated rumours with nothing to back them up with. I believe there's a hobby trade show in Japan next month that TM attend so that could be interesting. MistakenMexican 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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