Wavey_Gravey Posted October 3, 2023 Author Share Posted October 3, 2023 Got my hands on one today…feels a bit “limp” compared to the marui counterpart. Charging handle has a lot of play, everything is bone dry, the springs are twanging like mad, stock / grip are nasty cheap. BUT, the externals are lovely, markings are nice and deep, tiny bit of fettling I think these are a steal. Mag is surprisingly ok, fills fine and will clear 2 runs on semi. GM mags work much better (obviously). The only concern I have, the nozzle seal is a bit shit so we’ll see how that beds in over a few 100 rounds. Haligonian, Enid_Puceflange, JimFromHorsham and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haligonian Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 8 hours ago, Wavey_Gravey said: Got my hands on one today…feels a bit “limp” compared to the marui counterpart. Charging handle has a lot of play, everything is bone dry, the springs are twanging like mad, stock / grip are nasty cheap. BUT, the externals are lovely, markings are nice and deep, tiny bit of fettling I think these are a steal. Mag is surprisingly ok, fills fine and will clear 2 runs on semi. GM mags work much better (obviously). The only concern I have, the nozzle seal is a bit shit so we’ll see how that beds in over a few 100 rounds. Thanks for the first impressions. Where did you get it? Seems hard to find in stock, most UK retailers are awaiting stock/pre-order. I'm trying to convince myself that I can deal with the downsides as it does look the business, but thinking just spend more at the beginning to get a VFC (although I'll likely have to import one, which I've not done before). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wavey_Gravey Posted October 3, 2023 Author Share Posted October 3, 2023 I know of one shop that has exactly 1 left if you want the link? Cant comment on the VFC, anything v3 is meant to be cracking…importing is easy enough. Haligonian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rj1986 Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 12 hours ago, Haligonian said: Thanks for the first impressions. Where did you get it? Seems hard to find in stock, most UK retailers are awaiting stock/pre-order. I'm trying to convince myself that I can deal with the downsides as it does look the business, but thinking just spend more at the beginning to get a VFC (although I'll likely have to import one, which I've not done before). I was poking around last night and a couple of shops have pre-order eta's at the end of this week, so maybe the wholesaler is getting a delivery imminently? Haligonian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunboat Diplomat Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 Bit off topic, but as we are entering into winter months does that mean this (or any GBBR) is likely to be a wall hanger now until Spring time as it's going to struggle with low temps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wavey_Gravey Posted October 4, 2023 Author Share Posted October 4, 2023 I think this will struggle a little with the DE mags and the seal not being great (can be sorted) Standard MWS I’ve ran at zero degrees and had no issues. Gunboat Diplomat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wavey_Gravey Posted October 13, 2023 Author Share Posted October 13, 2023 Just a little follow up, having greased up the return and buffer springs, the nasty twangs have gone. Took out the trigger box which was so ridiculously easy, cleared off the existing much and replaced that, I know have a lovely clean break, much better than the marui stock box. Getting a good seal with guns modify PMAGs, fitment in the magwell is actually very nice, tighter than the stock mag, bumps up the fps a tad. Next I will be replacing the nub with, keeping the standard bucking for now to see how she goes, in its current form lifting .3’s seems to be no issue (haven’t got anything heavier at the moment) Has anybody done anything to theirs they’re happy with? Might try modding the catch on the charging handle as that occasionally flys back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mightyjebus Posted October 14, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 14, 2023 well that esculated quickly.... All the mags I have (DE, GM and TM) all work fine however the gas routers on the DE seem stiffer than the GM router. Might try some GM gas routers in the DE mag to try to make them better. Only internal mod is a Flamingo hop rubber in both. I've got a RA Tech NPAS here which I might pair with a longer inner barrel to try to increase accuracy at range but keep the Joules down. Mr Dellski, RostokMcSpoons, Jacob Wright and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rj1986 Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 20 hours ago, mightyjebus said: well that esculated quickly.... All the mags I have (DE, GM and TM) all work fine however the gas routers on the DE seem stiffer than the GM router. Might try some GM gas routers in the DE mag to try to make them better. Only internal mod is a Flamingo hop rubber in both. I've got a RA Tech NPAS here which I might pair with a longer inner barrel to try to increase accuracy at range but keep the Joules down. As the saying goes; Two is One, and One is None. Lozart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cart3rlfc Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 Anyone know of anywhere these are still in stock? Or anyone selling 😅 How we all finding them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st commando Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 2 hours ago, cart3rlfc said: Anyone know of anywhere these are still in stock? Or anyone selling 😅 How we all finding them? They all seem out of stock. Basically they were available from a few importers but then one distributor managed to get a batch very very cheap ( which is why the retail price suddenly dropped) and now none of the original importers will touch them as there is no margin left and the importer that got a batch cheap don't have any left. I picked up a couple with the intention to do some project guns but if I decide against it I'll put them in the classifieds here still new in box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cart3rlfc Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 On 15/10/2023 at 22:16, 1st commando said: They all seem out of stock. Basically they were available from a few importers but then one distributor managed to get a batch very very cheap ( which is why the retail price suddenly dropped) and now none of the original importers will touch them as there is no margin left and the importer that got a batch cheap don't have any left. I picked up a couple with the intention to do some project guns but if I decide against it I'll put them in the classifieds here still new in box Thanks! Yes let me know if you decide to sell on! I did end up purchasing one from high pressure Airsoft who seemed to get some in stock, but it's gen 1, with like a solid mag, a tan A2 grip and some odd looking stock 😓 so I'm going to be sending it back for a refund and wait out for a gen 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st commando Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 18 minutes ago, cart3rlfc said: Thanks! Yes let me know if you decide to sell on! I did end up purchasing one from high pressure Airsoft who seemed to get some in stock, but it's gen 1, with like a solid mag, a tan A2 grip and some odd looking stock 😓 so I'm going to be sending it back for a refund and wait out for a gen 2 The gas only ever been one generation of the DE one so no idea what that is. Drop me a message mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cart3rlfc Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 This is the version I received. It's definitely a gbb, it looks like the taiwangun version, as when I look online/YouTube Taiwan gun always seems to be pushing this one. I believe it's the same internals though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st commando Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 1 minute ago, cart3rlfc said: This is the version I received. It's definitely a gbb, it looks like the taiwangun version, as when I look online/YouTube Taiwan gun always seems to be pushing this one. I believe it's the same internals though. Oh that's different cart3rlfc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mightyjebus Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 I ran mine in anger today and it worked flawlessly. Only issue is 1 of the DE mags has developed a leak. range was about 45 meters but not the best accuracy due to the short inner barrel. This wasn't really an issue as it was a CQB site so ranges tended to be 2 to 35 meters. Temperature was about 15C today and I was getting at least 1 full mag without running out of gas on the DE, TM and GM mags. Overall, very impressed with this GBB. If a N4 isn't your preferred M4 style then keep you eyes out for different M4 models coming from DE as they tend to push out other variants of successful rifles (DE90X series for instance and if DE are reading this then a KS-1 or a 416 would be nice). JimFromHorsham 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wavey_Gravey Posted October 22, 2023 Author Share Posted October 22, 2023 KS1 would be mega. That and a carry handle variant next please DE 😁 What kind of FPS output were you getting? Chrono’d mine yesterday on site, was hot even in this weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mightyjebus Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 I was getting around 308 FPS using 0.25 tracer BB's which is about 1.1 joules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wavey_Gravey Posted October 23, 2023 Author Share Posted October 23, 2023 3 hours ago, mightyjebus said: I was getting around 308 FPS using 0.25 tracer BB's which is about 1.1 joules. Crikey mines way hot I’m comparison, 312 on 0.32 😅 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st commando Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, Wavey_Gravey said: Crikey mines way hot I’m comparison, 312 on 0.32 😅 You will probably find it's similar if you used 0.25s like he did. 0.32g certainly adds some energy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wavey_Gravey Posted October 24, 2023 Author Share Posted October 24, 2023 15 hours ago, 1st commando said: You will probably find it's similar if you used 0.25s like he did. 0.32g certainly adds some energy I’ll have to try some lighter beebs. New version of these with a black Noveske bolt apparently hitting the shelves now, eliminating the “gap” left by the silver bolt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st commando Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 8 hours ago, Wavey_Gravey said: I’ll have to try some lighter beebs. New version of these with a black Noveske bolt apparently hitting the shelves now, eliminating the “gap” left by the silver bolt. That's the "Taiwan gun spec" version that doesn't have the magpul style furniture and pmag. Wavey_Gravey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtticTech Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 Anyone know who has stock online in UK for the Black version? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cannonfodder Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 For those on faceache Patrol Base have a video up comparing the DE and TM https://fb.watch/nXIPL0izOt/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazzurusMan Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 Picked mine up last weekend. Feels and looks great, not very efficient on gas (only running green gas so might have been to cold) and I'm pretty sure I got one of the newer gens with the new black, noveske branded bolt. Barely hops .3s, so tomorrow I'm sticking in a longer barrel, autobot bucking, omega nub, evo lightweight bolt and ra-tech npas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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