Should the UK leave the EU?

[Lozart]

Maybe you can explain further, Monkey? I don't get what you mean. I know £1 is £1 if I'm buying good solely made in the UK, but other than Digestives and Lyle's Golden Syrup, I'm not sure what these are.

 

Is your argument that we should be producing more stuff in the UK so that inflation doesn't matter or?

Worth mentioning that Tate and Lyle import the raw sugar for golden syrup. Plus they are actually an American owned company now (asr).

[Sitting Duck]

may I propose a toast before it gets silly & nasty & bitchy....

 

 

think we just gotta chill a bit and wait n see

[proffrink]

Worth mentioning that Tate and Lyle import the raw sugar for golden syrup. Plus they are actually an American owned company now (asr).

Wow, is there anything we don't import anymore?

 

Top Gear maybe?

 

 

Oh wait.

[Lozart]

As a trained accountant I am well aware of what inflation is thanks dont be so patronising

 

OK, so how about this: we buy oil in USD. The GBP/USD exchange rate has fallen so we will be paying more for it. That will increase the price of fuel at the pump which will in turn increase the overheads of ANY consumer goods both domestic and imported due to increased transport costs. Ergo the pound in you pocket is in real terms worth less now than it was prior to the referendum and resultant drop in the exchange rate.

 

All the while, inflation hasn't changed and if current suggestions are to be believed interest rates will likely drop further rather than go up signalling a possible move into deflation rather than inflation.

[Lozart]

Is there anything we don't import anymore?

 

Top Gear maybe?

 

 

Oh wait.

 

Specialist farm vehicles.......and....errmmm.......OH! Aston Martins!

 

To be fair Tate and Lyle have ALWAYS grown their sugar cane abroad because it just doesn't grow here. If you want to buy British then stic with Silver Spoon who make theirs from sugar beet grown in the UK (by parent company British Sugar).

[Sacarathe]

Mmmmm, sugar. I guess if the pound isn't what it once was we don't a deterrent sugar tax if it all costs more anyway. Those poor sugary drinks companies.

[Lozart]

Mmmmm, sugar. I guess if the pound isn't what it once was we don't a deterrent sugar tax if it all costs more anyway. Those poor sugary drinks companies.

Historically when the economy goes down, soft drinks sales go up (more people stay home).

[Sitting Duck]

Historically when the economy goes down, soft drinks sales go up (more people stay home).

 

With the way the markets are up n down like a bride's nightie atm

I am investing in nothing - f*ck Pepsi Coke Britvic or anything - even airsoft

too dodgy to predict owt atm

 

even this guy go won't go there atm...

 

[Lozart]

 

With the way the markets are up n down like a bride's nightie atm

I am investing in nothing - f*ck Pepsi Coke Britvic or anything - even airsoft

too dodgy to predict owt atm

 

even this guy go won't go there atm...

 

 

 

Pepsi and Britvic are the same company (Coke and Schweppes are one company too btw). I wasn't suggest that you invest, just that people buy more of it when they can't afford to go out. Or when the footies on in the case of Coke.

[Sacarathe]

Original Vid: youtube.com/watch?v=USTypBKEd8Y

[proffrink]

 

Specialist farm vehicles.......and....errmmm.......OH! Aston Martins!

 

To be fair Tate and Lyle have ALWAYS grown their sugar cane abroad because it just doesn't grow here. If you want to buy British then stic with Silver Spoon who make theirs from sugar beet grown in the UK (by parent company British Sugar).

Ah, fair enough. I'd figured they use the same beats as Silver Spoon.

[skarra333]

Original Vid: youtube.com/watch?v=USTypBKEd8Y

 

It does bother me how the 'Leave Campaign' is badged as this Hydra like creature that acted and moved as one. It really wasn't. The leave campaign and voters were a broad coalition with many many messages and, as an example, the guy in Stone highstreet who spoke to me about why we should leave peddled none of the lies Prof Dougan refers to.

Overly focusing on the campaign is a mistake in my opinion.

 

Europhiles like this Prof need to unpick why there was always a vast ocean of Euroscepticism coupled with the other reasons (bitterness at globalisation, increased nationalism etc) that led to people voting leave.

A Prof Keating wrote this week that there is the real prospect of a rise in the far-right here as was the case in the 30s, 70s and 90s - ignoring the deeper long-term origins of the leave voters in favour of assuming they were just suckered by a campaign of lies does nobody any favours IMO.

[Sitting Duck]

Sigh.....

I'm trying to stay out of this tbh but.....

 

 

Now as for a General Election bollox - Labour were miles off how country voted, well Lib Dem was even worse and SNP were oblivious to 38% of Scotland

So Tories were in fact the party that was in tune with how the UK voted

If they don't get an outright election result they will perhaps seek a coalition government with guess who could be on the cards....

No not Labour, not LibDem or SNP - but others like UKIP

pah you might say, Well the drunk abusive Uncle Nige has just stepped down so UKIP will relaunch without the gobby drunk that gets under everybody's skin

The disgruntled Labour supporters are looking to anybody who might listen to them...

Nah not UKIP they didn't get a seat last time round - well might be that people hesitated any further support when push came to shove and thought ooh Tory for EU referendum instead....

Now we had the EU referendum and a divided country has spoken - Thanks Dodgy Dave but we got our referendum so we can vote for who we like now

Remember the UKIP party got more votes than SNP last time round and came second in a few places so do not think the threat has gone away...

 

As for people screamin MP's to vote on Article 50 - pahhh ffs

Vote on Article 50 - only if all MP's publish how they vote coz faith in Westminster has never been lower

They can face the wrath if they vote against their own constituents that elected that MP

 

The crap was thrown on all sides, distorting the truth, subliminal messages, quoting out of date figures - oh the list goes on

 

For what it is worth I doubt if much will ever change on EU migration, I can see 80-90% of EU migration continuing.

BUT in certain cases or instances the UK reserves the right to say no.

EU Nationals already here must be allowed to stay and any new rules/guidelines will only apply once Article 50 is triggered - AT THE EARLIEST

We may not be able to impose any new rules until we exit EU

BUT UK must honour and respect the EU citizens already here without any question or spite

Politicians might argue we can't agree to that until EU negotiates their conditions....

BOLLOCKS - UK should set an example right now that those people are protected and valued

The people of the UK voiced an opinion that they are not entirely happy with the EU as a whole - NOT EUROPEANS but EU itself

 

I do not want to see the UK rip itself apart, more divisions, more resentment or even hate starting to surface

I want instead to see an independent UK with common sense still working with a common market of allies working together but not tied together

 

Sadly with all the crap being spouted the only certainty is uncertainty atm, which is just f*cking everything up even more

The politicians all say one minute - work together, then the next minute they rip each other apart again - ffs

The only hope we got it seems is no hope

It is just like a big game of poker/brag with everybody bluffing and forcing each others hands

Only it isn't a house of cards but UK/EU that could all come crashing down if we don't start sorting it out

 

Guarantee 101% present EU Nationals - start Article 50 and lets start to sort some stuff out ffs asap

[Sacarathe]

MPs voting on art50 would be the same as the 24th, the markets would go up or down, it'd be a very damaging thing. I'm thinking of changing my general election voting area though, as a student it is my right, and as I currently live in the area with the highest leave in the country (albeit a proportionately small area), I don't feel like I could have any effect by voting in a general election here.

[jcheeseright]

The referendum was advisory only, if pushed to a vote in parliament our elected representatives (MPs) have a duty to do what is best for the country and not what 52% of the electorate want them to do.

 

No one has pushed the article 50 button yet because they all think it's a shit idea.

 

It should never have gone to a referendum in the first place, pure democracy like that is essentially a kangaroo court on a national scale.

[Esoterick]

The referendum was advisory only, if pushed to a vote in parliament our elected representatives (MPs) have a duty to do what is best for the country and not what 52% of the electorate want them to do.

 

No one has pushed the article 50 button yet because they all think it's a sh*t idea.

 

It should never have gone to a referendum in the first place, pure democracy like that is essentially a kangaroo court on a national scale.

 

Exactly this and if we get to vote on the referendum then what valid reason if there for us not to vote on say TTIP or the investigatory powers bill? I don't think it's advisable for us to vote on any policies though as the overwhelming majority of the public(myself included) aren't qualified to make such decisions.

[jcheeseright]

 

Exactly this and if we get to vote on the referendum then what valid reason if there for us not to vote on say TTIP or the investigatory powers bill? I don't think it's advisable for us to vote on any policies though as the overwhelming majority of the public(myself included) aren't qualified to make such decisions.

 

Yep, we elect leaders to make those decisions for us based on unbiased data... if we have a referendum on everything then rupert murdoch basically runs the country.

[Sitting Duck]

The referendum was advisory only, if pushed to a vote in parliament our elected representatives (MPs) have a duty to do what is best for the country and not what 52% of the electorate want them to do.

 

No one has pushed the article 50 button yet because they all think it's a sh*t idea.

 

It should never have gone to a referendum in the first place, pure democracy like that is essentially a kangaroo court on a national scale.

 

so if the result had been 52% Remain would there be a mention of MP's voting on this "advisory" result

or questioning if the result was legal or binding that we remain and not exit EU

 

Grab a lifetime supply of popcorn and watch it happen

Then everybody blame Brexit

ergh no - we haven't exited the EU yet

well small majority voted Leave

ahh but to quote - it was just advisory

 

Well f*ck me has certainly opened up a supermarket full of cans of worms for something that was just "advisory"

And the EU lot seem to think otherwise - they certainly didn't consider the result "advisory" with their reaction to it all

 

Oh yes - just imagine the irony of it all - MP's vote and we remain

Then Brexit goes to Court of Human Rights to uphold the vote to Leave the EU

 

Brilliant - f*ck me that would be a quite unique situation indeed especially as it was just "advisory"

[Sacarathe]

 

so if the result had been 52% Remain would there be a mention of MP's voting on this "advisory" result

or questioning if the result was legal or binding that we remain and not exit EU

 

Except that it isn't "just now" as so many people are saying it, it was always. The truly ridiculous thing for me, is the reaction of the other European leaders, not the why they're reacting this way, but the fact that they actually are.

 

I'm just glad the (Any) PM does not have the authority to activate Art50.

[Lozart]

 

so if the result had been 52% Remain would there be a mention of MP's voting on this "advisory" result

or questioning if the result was legal or binding that we remain and not exit EU

 

Of course there would. Do you really think that Farage et al would accept the result if that had been the case? Of course not.

 

The difference would be that we wouldn't be facing the very real possibility of massive foreign investment pulling out of the UK and a very likely recession. But obviously we're just "sore losers"...

[Sitting Duck]

Of course there would. Do you really think that Farage et al would accept the result if that had been the case? Of course not.

 

The difference would be that we wouldn't be facing the very real possibility of massive foreign investment pulling out of the UK and a very likely recession. But obviously we're just "sore losers"...

 

To be honest I could argue until the cows come home with mad cow disease

The MP's could vote on this or that - they are far wiser than the general public

ooh wait a sec didn't MP's vote on Iraq War ???

 

Foreign Investment - sounds like a good time to consider investing as their currencies are doing well against the £

but timings are critical in risk management and playing the markets

which often markets gains are to be made at somebody's expense/loss so - ahh bollox to karma n stuff evening out greedy bankers etc....

 

Nope - I'm about done on this coz we are still in limbo atm with very volatile markets & currencies

[Rock-climby-Dave]

Now, I'm pretty sure you know my views on Brexit (I'm Ecstatic about it, for political ideological reasons, not 'dirty foreigners coming here stealing muh NHS, which I am ashamed to say many voters were') but I say this:

 

Let the MPs vote on it.

 

We've had our say, the MPs who WE vote for know how their constituents have voted. The huge majority of the MPs (who either vote based on their areas views or risk getting voted out next election) now reside in anti-EU areas.

 

MPs have two choices:
Vote how they want, to ensure a ride on the gravytrain once their careers here are over.

Vote how their voters want, in a democracy.

 

At that point, I think most people will start to realise how entirely fucked our democratic system is and we can start to think about democratic reform.

 

On the Economic viewpoint: We were probably better off, financially, in the EU - certainly in the short term. But can you put a price on freedom?

[jcheeseright]

Freedom from what precisely? What exactly did the EU ever do to specifically harm anyone?

[Sitting Duck]

if they wanna take a vote on it - fine

but publish how ALL 637 of them vote and see how many abstain than face their constituents that elected them:

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35616946

 

After all the bull$hit and wasted time & money lets start having some transparency & accountability of these bastids at Westminster

Stabbing each other in the back, resigning, changing their minds and bollox

 

They are to serve the people that elect them so f*cking start to prove how they can be trusted once more

Yeah - that ain't gonna happen - whoops I'm trying to stay out of all this coz its all bollox locked in limbo/stalemate

[Lozart]

Now, I'm pretty sure you know my views on Brexit (I'm Ecstatic about it, for political ideological reasons, not 'dirty foreigners coming here stealing muh NHS, which I am ashamed to say many voters were') but I say this:

 

Let the MPs vote on it.

 

We've had our say, the MPs who WE vote for know how their constituents have voted. The huge majority of the MPs (who either vote based on their areas views or risk getting voted out next election) now reside in anti-EU areas.

 

MPs have two choices:

Vote how they want, to ensure a ride on the gravytrain once their careers here are over.

Vote how their voters want, in a democracy.

 

At that point, I think most people will start to realise how entirely f*cked our democratic system is and we can start to think about democratic reform.

 

On the Economic viewpoint: We were probably better off, financially, in the EU - certainly in the short term. But can you put a price on freedom?

 

 

I don't even know where to start with this....

 

 

If the democratic system is fucked then how exactly do you suppose we would be able to bring about democratic reform? Surely by your very own argument MPs would vote against democratic reform to preserve the status quo?

 

As for putting a price on freedom I'd say start at £120bn and work up from there.

 

 

SD - by foreign investment I don't mean currency trading, I mean foreign companies choosing to site their premises here due to being in a good position as a gateway to Europe (Nissan/BMW/Honda for example).