-Ub3R- Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Right, I have a question for all of you. I need a list of all assault rifles that have their magazine release operable by the fire control hand.A good example is the AR-15 platform, index finger (trigger finger) simply presses a button to drop the mag while the other hand can already be retrieving and inserting the new one.Being a bullpup guy I'm used to having to remove a magazine awkwardly and seat it somewhere before grabbing the new mag and inserting it.The guns I can think right now are:Anything based off the AR-15 platform so: M4/M16s HK416/7s ScarsMasadasType-89 looks like it uses a similar reload to the above guns.SIG-553/6/0Anyone know of anymore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam bussey Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 SRC G36 range have a special mag release Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Ian_Gere Posted October 11, 2013 Supporters Share Posted October 11, 2013 If you have long fingers, like me, you can reach an AK mag catch in front of the trigger guard, but if not or you want to make it easier, there are a number of upgrade types which do just that (King Arms do 4 different ones). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Ub3R- Posted October 11, 2013 Author Share Posted October 11, 2013 SRC G36 range have a special mag release Where you push down with your finger to move the catch? If so, yes indeed, can go on the list although I've always found G36 mag changes to be clicky and never very satisfying If you have long fingers, like me, you can reach an AK mag catch in front of the trigger guard, but if not or you want to make it easier, there are a number of upgrade types which do just that (King Arms do 4 different ones). That's interesting, never thought to try that. I'd like to see these upgrades you're talking about as well, done a few quick Google searches and have yet to find anything that looks like what I'm envisioning. Got any links? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spatch Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Galil would work on the same principle as the AK with a small mod, TAR21 can be done with your wrist (generally when you don't need it too) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrel Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 If you are looking for quick mag changes I don't think you can beat a G36. The mags link together without any additional parts and the hand which grabs the mag also operates the mag release. Almost like an AK. You could easily change mags around 1 second the G36 I'd recommend is an ARES G36CV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Ian_Gere Posted October 11, 2013 Supporters Share Posted October 11, 2013 trying to be too clever - oops! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Ian_Gere Posted October 11, 2013 Supporters Share Posted October 11, 2013 Here is the product category page on kingarms.com there's a Tactical, a Double Side, an Enlarged, and an Extended Type. I think the Extended is best, because there is no possibility of catching it on your gear, so long as you are right handed. I did recently order an APS one though, because Airsoft-Club had that and a bunch of other stuff which will fit my needs, so it saved a fair bit of P&P over choosing exactly the upgrade bits I'd prefer... Galil would work on the same principle as the AK with a small mod, TAR21 can be done with your wrist (generally when you don't need it too) Yeah, there is an upgrade plate which bolts on to the mag catch to extend it out to the sides for AK's which would fit Galils. I dunno if the trigger guards are interchangeable, but this plate thingy only fits on the catch itself. I forget who makes it though, unless it's also KA... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Ub3R- Posted October 11, 2013 Author Share Posted October 11, 2013 Those King Arms mods are awesome. They would help with all types of AK reloads.I'm looking at a King Arms SIG 556 or a G&G TR-418 currently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazzer306 Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 MP5 has a mag release in same place as M4 etc as well as the one by the trigger guard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Ian_Gere Posted October 11, 2013 Supporters Share Posted October 11, 2013 ^^Yeah, that's a recent H&K addition. Apparently requested by the US Govt. to make it more instinctual for those trained on the AR platform to use. Oh yeah, and I sorta like the look of the 556, but I've never held one so I dunno if it would work for me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainSwoop Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 FN FAL has a mag release at the back of the mag so you release with the hand that removes the mag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Rock-climby-Dave Posted October 13, 2013 Supporters Share Posted October 13, 2013 AR-10 and other SR25 type rifles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacMaster Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 The MP5 push release is a little annoying compared to M4 releases as you need to stretch your finger more to reach it. Other than that it's fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickona Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 The Galil is designed to be able to release the mag with one hand as it has a little bit on the right side of the mag release, however, you need really long fingers and you have to wiggle it to get the front part of the mag out. But in reality theres no real need for one handed release unless you're planning on ditching all your mags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters M_P Posted October 13, 2013 Supporters Share Posted October 13, 2013 Or you've only got one hand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickona Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 That could b the case, but then again i doubt you'd be using a rifle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Ian_Gere Posted October 13, 2013 Supporters Share Posted October 13, 2013 If you drop your mag into a waiting hand to put in a dump pouch before reloading, that's got to be a little faster than manipulating a mag catch with the same hand you take the mag away with - i haven't timed myself doing it, but it feels faster on an AK. There is always the possibility of dropping a single mag on the floor in a desperate situation too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam bussey Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 fast AK and G36 mag change one mag in the gun, another in your hand, strike the mag release with the mag in your hand and flick the mag in as the other falls (sorry flies) out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Ian_Gere Posted October 14, 2013 Supporters Share Posted October 14, 2013 fast AK and G36 mag change one mag in the gun, another in your hand, strike the mag release with the mag in your hand and flick the mag in as the other falls (sorry flies) out! Never done it during a skirmish yet, but i'm sure that when i finally get round to thinking of it in just the right high pressure moment, with someone filming me, i'll smack the mag too hard against the trigger guard/mag release or something and break the gun... Anyway it wouldn't be as fast as just dropping a mag with your trigger finger and inserting a new one with your off hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam bussey Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Never done it during a skirmish yet, but i'm sure that when i finally get round to thinking of it in just the right high pressure moment, with someone filming me, i'll smack the mag too hard against the trigger guard/mag release or something and break the gun... Anyway it wouldn't be as fast as just dropping a mag with your trigger finger and inserting a new one with your off hand. but it's cool as hell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacMaster Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 fast AK and G36 mag change one mag in the gun, another in your hand, strike the mag release with the mag in your hand and flick the mag in as the other falls (sorry flies) out! I think that's CoD speaking there mate Even then by that logic it must only work with FALs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Ian_Gere Posted October 14, 2013 Supporters Share Posted October 14, 2013 ^^I spent too much money on my L1A1 and her mags to do that to 'em. If/when I decide Agnes needs to look battle scarred, the damage will be carefully applied with exquisite care and attention to detail, using my best tools! but it's cool as hell Oh I agree, i just know that deep down i'm not quite cool enough to pull it off without it either being entirely inappropriate, like walking back to the safe zone or something, or looking a complete dick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacMaster Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 ^^I spent too much money on my L1A1 and her mags to do that to 'em. If/when I decide Agnes needs to look battle scarred, the damage will be carefully applied with exquisite care and attention to detail, using my best tools! Ian Gere...bespoke gun-weatherer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters TheFull9 Posted October 14, 2013 Supporters Share Posted October 14, 2013 For a comparatively concise video that gives you pretty optimum 'value for money' (time wise) the DVDs Travis Haley did are, IMO, excellent (having watched them through a couple of times and tried this kinda stuff out many times with airsoft and a few different firearms). Adaptive AK is broken down in to very decisive little chunks that cover specific topics so you can just go in and get the info you need. They ended up beign so popular they'e all over the net: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fb7_1350685502 "But he's a yank" well sure but you can ask a Spetsnaz operator and he'll give you basically the same information. Obviously there's a difference in that all these techniques are designed for live fire combat at CQB ranges where the last thing you care about is retaining magazines, plus your mags are far more sturdy than airsoft and you quite likely didn't pay for them. So there are adaptations to be made, but I've found a lot of the more simple plastic midcaps are actually perfectly fine to be flipped/ejected even on to rough concrete (and certainly fine with floor boards, soil, old carpet etc) as long as you're only doing it now and again. I've forcefully dumped my TM EBBr 82/30 mids on to outdoor concrete a couple of times and yeah they got scratched but there was very little deformation of the metal at all. That said, the tactical or 'lull' reload is probably the most efficient for an airsofter who doesn't want to risk breaking expensive and fragile replica magazines by dropping them. It's not so easy with AKs/G3s and other rock-to-lock magazines but with any gun that follows the AR pattern it's a piece of cake. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2bgc-Q0rL8 The worst culprit I can think of is unfortunately the L85 because the mags very often won't drop free (made worse with EMAGs vs the old metal HK ones we used to issue), but there's a method out that'll work quickly and efficiently for most rifles. Certainly more so than the standard "remove empty mag using reaction hand, place away, retrieve fresh mag using the same hand, insert" that is usually the standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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