Sitting Duck

somebody better NOT warm famasboy you mean

google up where you are or quite possible a local site will have a techy guy or at very least know some techy guy who knows a thing or two

NO - DO NOT STRIP IT FFS see if you can rotate that cylinder around and you MIGHT see a hole or port appear I am NOT saying fix it - but it is one thing to check and rule out if we can rule out the port and see the hole half way aprox then it ain't that so MUST be a hop/barrel/nozzle related problem most of this is common sense process of elimination but trust me it so so very easy to steam in and f*ck with stuff that you don't need to or often you can't see the wood for the trees So very much can go wrong and the slightest thing sends the gun fire all over the place and very pi$$ poorly heck I'm an expert to getting guns firing like that - very badly sometimes diagnose or maybe investigate but perhaps like Lozart said take it to a pro to do the final fixing

the guy talks a lot of sense I have broke plenty and only have a tiny scrape of wisdom a pro should be able to diagnose and fix it quickly and a quick service probably breaking cheapo guns is ok - bolloxing a decent G&G is a tragic shame you don't wanna do

brass tube is cylinder port is the slotted hole in the brassy looking tubey thingymajig aka cylinder

http://i54.tinypic.com/2aietl3.jpg ahhh - the port is one the gearbox's cylinder now if somebody has overhauled it they could of fitted a full cylinder instead of a correct ported cylinder Now I ain't saying it is this but now we know its s/hand so it could be what the previous owner f*cked up or was crap so they flogged it so to speak Just coz you can't see the port it could be other side or even hidden underneath just saying with a bad port all sorts of weird stuff can happen BUT it may very well be numerous other things - but might be worth checking if your cylinder port looks like that pic one if it is that is one thing to rule out - if you can't see the hole in cylinder you might be able to rotate it and see if it is underneath/other side etc.... if it has the port for say 275 barrel - guessing the length btw then it can then be ruled out and look towards barrel/hop etc.... and I'm just making this up as i go along

stabbing in dark a bit coz I'm no expert....... need to check barrel as that "could" be scratched hop could be iffy and need attention/replacing nozzle could not be sealing correctly and in line properly 101% this is quite rare as G&G's are normally pretty damn good - was this new btw if so speak to the retialer but don't go nutz opening her up much further it "could" be a bad port or volume ratio on cylinder - curving is a possible symptom of over volume eg: a full or fullish cylinder used for a shorter than usual barrel what actual model or how long is the mp5 and its inner barrel ? and did you get it s/hand or new - speak to retailer like I said if its shooting that pi$$ed

Finally - Hopefully finished my own AK12 and I would like to first of all express a massive thanks to Chock for taking the plunge I hope you are ok m8, I know you had a few problems but hope you are doing ok and can pop back soon Fanx also to BBguns4Less - Chock first then shortly after I bought one too but was unsure if I could be ar$ed to re-do it Then think they had a broken one going cheap and a broken DE 901c - frizzle's favourite AK or pile of crap for AK TM compatibility Hmmmm - 901's crappy plastic gearbox with crappy plastic gears (thought they looked metal gears but was just plastic gear on metal spindle) Has a kind of normal cheap motor frame and short motor - little guts but yeah it could kinda work.... Now I can use a metal JG box but for $hits & giggles I thought wtf lets try n see if that crappy plastic box from 901c could be beefed up and fitted into the AK12. Also lets not go mad & refit a new spring/piston/cylinder head and all that but see what spares I got lying around OK - I got some SRC cheapy metalurgy/tin pot 18:1 gears that could get her working better than shredded plastic gears (this would of been ok and I wasn't gonna go too mad - or so I thought and this was my downfall - I'll come to that later) These gears are crap and the spindles are 2.9mm not 3mm so chose to use plastic bushings but some of the more "tighter" bushings yup they spin and was shimmed taking my time - that was quite easy.... Full cylinder or there abouts coz fitting 455mm barrel - a 510 is just a tad too long so 455mm is nice and aprox 10mm short of outer barrel if you removed flash hider - or say up 500mm if still fitted - 510 just sticks out of the vents at front of hider (flash hider is stuck/glued on and the broken one was a little cracked and came off easily - it ain't screwed on btw) But fitting a full cylinder had a few minor problems coz tappet plate was now snagging moving back n forth and also catching near end of travel the old cylinder was very thin and ported for 250mm barrel so I became very good friends with a few small files and craft/kitchen knife plus got quite flirty with some sandpaper - seemed everytime I replaced something I would spend another 30mins - 1hr filing/sanding smoothing etc... Easy to replace but didn't have much AK/ver 3 spares to hand at the time hence bit more pi$$balling about making do with what I had But long story short - yeah reckon she may be ok with the DE 901c plastic box in there so lets rip open the AK12 and see how we go....... Not gonna go over most of what Chock did and he did a very good job indeed - another fanx from me Barrel - yup takes a normal AEG barrel - unlike the 901c which has a weird bespoke barrel/hop unit - well that is good 901 box yeah goes in there ok - a little play and very little locks it and holds it all in place so a few bits of cardboard box used to pack it out a tiny bit - yeah think she may bloomin all fit in there ok Did have a Madbull 510 barrel but seems crap and was jamming a lot, crap cloggy junk 455 barrel - cheapo 6.03 that was gonna go in say a Cyma 028a - yeah that works nice (couple of o-rings help to reduce barrel rattling around in outer barrel) yeah this may work out quite well - put in an old double o-ring plastic cylinder head - dunno where it came from but was very good seal (dumped old cylinder + head & crap seal nozzle - kept old piston and used spring & spring guide but used another o-ring on piston) nozzle was a new AK one with single o-ring, a plastic nozzle didn't fit well and was a tiny bit oval/distorted and lost a bit of compression yeah that will work -oooh lets replace the stock motor for a Big Dragon M160 mofo That motor is one crazy bitch - deffo a little faster than a SHS High Speed type plus should have more grunt/torque too Yeah better fit a mosfet in there - got a couple of cheap crappy mosfet's from TWG - Do NOT buy these they are crap You push them they will just melt - get a proper fet or make your own from genuine 3034's Anyway fitted a crappy fet in there and will run it on 7.4v lipo's only but it still gets hot when spamming on semi.... Stock is a bit crap on AK12 - not much room in there for bigger batteries - well it comes apart if you are careful !!!! 3 screws and you can split the 2 halves - hmmm reckon I can remove some of that in the middle and get some more room back yup that will work - fet can go there run wires there - extra room for a more decent size block battery..... Resolder some new thinner wires on gearbox's switch - all externally - gotta love v3's and how they are much easier over v2's Carefully route wires in AK's shell, into half of stock through the 2 old "sprung contact points" that was in there previously Wire it all up aprox, refit 2 halves of gun - yup looking good here..... Oh I sprayed the thing too whilst I was messing about with crappy plastic box - 2 quick coats inside shell then 3 coats on outside - think I prefer PlastiKote over Krylon myself, seems a more flatter black but that is just my take on it Now the stock is a little fiddly to mod but not too bad, route wires get that finalised then put back catch/spring... A little jiggery pokery plus prodding any wires that might come out of position whilst closing up the 2 halves of stock REMEMBER not to try and be a dick and unclip stock - or you will rip out the permanent wires in there Might be a good idea to jam the spring catch to avoid ya m8 trying to remove stock perhaps (or just be selfish and don't let anyone else borrow it) Yup she looks good and she fires very well indeed - minor gripes..... pistol grip is a bit naff and not the best job I made of it - got it wrong guessing where new hole position should be the stock hop up keeps sliding off as I let rip - tighten screws a bit still does it didn't wanna go nutz as it is a cheap plastic hop - did change hop rubber to a used silicone clear one but still loses setting so another bit of card jammed in hop and she moves no more - can't finely adjust it but seems quite good at jammed position (my metal ak hops haven't arrived from far east yet or Poland come to that so have to make do but seems ok) Best use .25's and she sprays in a nice straight line for quite a while Yup very pleased - brought it along and was looking to a an afternoon of seeing how she performed BANG - wtf has she jammed or box siezed ??? Have a quite look - nozzle hardly moving at all -- ohh that ain't right had a spare gun but was absolutely GUTTED I went home with the right hump with me wanting to suss out wtf had failed I must of put close to 1,000 through here at home on/off and chrono and messing with hop & bb's etc..... What didn't help was that I charged the 2 x 7.4v's I was gonna take and popped in a 9.9v LiFe in there - wow she was really motoring Yeah that didn't help pushing her even more.... Ahhh crap - seems the cheapo SRC sector with its thinner width teeth to spur gear had crossed and mangled up This had happened to me once before and my own stupid f*ckwit fault for trying to do it on the cheap especially with such a cheap nasty set of gears..... The other gears were fine - even spur was ok just the sector is too cheaply made and thinner width teeth, you shim with a slight gap/play then there is very little left to run on the other gears teeth properly, little stress and BANG The really annoying thing is that I had this happen before so more fool me OK - I got a couple of choices here - replace just sector gear, whole set or replace whole box ???? Well I have got one single SHS sector gear that took an hour to locate but that went in there fine well it is much thicker so had to use 6mm bearings on sector and a few shims - yeah is way more robust Gonna try this and if she busts again then the JG metal box is going in there ffs (think I will use the JG box for the first AK12 I bought at full price and use this cheap Ak12 as my learner first one) Box firing once again - hmmmm she was hitting 338fps aprox at 21.8rps on regular 7.4v 25c lipo's popped a bearing spring guide in there replacing the normal cheap nasty plastic spring guide This shoud give me a little more fps but will it take me over 350 ???? Well the fet is a bit crap - don't buy those TWG ones (Big Dragon PCB fets with possible clone mosfets) Hmmm need to maybe put one of my own ones together and replace the wire for decent thicker wire as that motor is just trying to draw all it can - was the silver wire of the modify type, better than stock but not a great deal thicker..... Worth pointing out that as I was compressing the spring a touch more with bearing spring guide I was expecting a tiny slight drop in average rps - say 20 - 21 rps - well gotta drop a tiny smidge so Ill guess at 21 instead of 21.8 Ok left it a few days to ponder and then started to finish her off and put her back together with my own fet and thicker wire Thicker wire was a ok but was little tighter getting pistol grip back on - think the wire I am using might be say 15awg and I think would be a squeeze in a v2 box but this AK12 has a lot more room in it to feed wires back to stock..... Only fired a few shots out her so far but yeah she is a little more quicker and a little more powerful... Hitting aprox 348/355 - hmmm will she be too hot to use and hitting at 23.8 though this may be higher as 7.4v lipo was in bag from last week and haven't tested the voltage went nutz on semi spamming and my DIY basic fet was much cooler than that crappy fet from last week (actually made up a heatsink for it but think I was being a little cautiousn - reckon that may be a bit overkill though) Anyway soz for massive long waffley bollox post - I think/hope she will last a bit better now gonna keep her at 7.4v and I am really hoping she will last at least half a day blasting around next time or will either fit JG box in there or just take up ballet coz I suck at this modding malarky some pics anyway if anybody thinks of doing what Chock, me and some others have done..... AK12 Stock mod or bodge: The completed AK12 - with 2 x 901c mags taped together noobish COD style - gonna try 2 x 1k mags next to travel ultra light if you are thinking about it then by all means gimme a shout and I will try to help (keep it brief I promise) First modding attempt she was firing like AK - Safe - FULL - SEMI and was a bit hit n miss on selector when I re-did I noticed the AK12 selector was different and so used that selector plate but still needed a little mod to work properly - think now she works like M4's: SAFE - SEMI - FULL AUTO and reckon she engages correctly 99% of the time - well better than before - bastid AK selector gears etc... (god bless the person who invented mini files/sandpaper) And yes It took a while on & off but thought wtf lets have a go at it, a little service on a G&G or decent gun is a walk in the park compared to working on lame ar$e cheapo piles of crap - this was quite do-able though as we know beefing up a D68 or a B500A1 is gonna be a little more tedious and tbh dunno if you/I would bother but as this is about the only AK12 we might get hold of for a while - it is a nice fun project and could be worth doing

THEY ALL LIE - how depends on how much they need to bull$hit you to get YOUR vote I'm done on this coz I respect all of you on here & your own views, even if they are very different to my own Just make up your own minds and please be sure to vote with heart & head - but hopefully try to vote if you can I hate people that moan about stuff - but didn't vote, well what ya moaning for if you ducked one simple X on a bit of paper 60 to 65% won't want the main party in and a lot more wouldn't want them to probably form a coalition with "them" So its gonna be a right free for ballsed up mess that didn't want - but try to vote anyway coz think we need a good turnout at least baggsie bringing a bloody hot gun with Brown's name on it - no not coz he's Scottish Just hate the bastid - but hope he brings Milliband actually bring them all along they all need lighting up

Scotland got lied to - by who politicians, media and other people in power Welcome my friend to the REAL world we all live in I don't want to start a SCOT Vs ENGLAND war - but if the Scots were mislead/brainwashed/lied to that sounds to me like a normal election campaign Really - you wanna try and manage something you didn't wanna be envolved with with another party you no longer vote for or trust to deliver I know you may not love the English or rest of UK but surely you don't hate us that much (stop calling me Shirley)

I think I got nearly enough guns actually we pay a higher rate of vat anyway on TWG - 23% i think well last time I clocked invoice it said something like that it is all more expensive than 6 months ago I might get my duty free fags back now

Labour I really don't trust they didn't leave us in good shape as they exited Really unsure if bailing the Banks out was such a good idea - but we will never know the true real answer if we didn't Funny if I screw up at work I have to be held accountable for my mistakes - wonder if my bank will pay my bills coz I'm a bit skint this month ??? SNP - hmmm - well previously this labour's main area to count on, but they nearly got their wish to breakaway from UK (Not England - yeah I know there is a lot of banter between England & Scotland, but I'm talking about UK here) Now they got certain powers to govern parts of their own country - which they always have had certain different laws banknotes etc.... Which is fine - but after the vote the rest of the UK was saying ok let them have more say in Scotland's governing but less in UK or England 40% wanted out but this much higher and it could of gone either way, and the vote may/will be brought up again so seems to me that SNP didn't like the outcome - funny Salmond quit when he didn't the chance to be crowned king of scotland. The vote may come up again - well yeah pretty sure it will as the SNP appears to bring out more patriotism in the Scottish people Funny English Patriotism is referred to as racist though Anyway - lets say at this present moment in time with support growing perhaps for a different final referendum result.... say 45% want out of UK - lets just hyperthectically say that 45% So getting close to half of Scotland don't wanna be in UK - oh yeah let them form a coalition.... Now with whom - oh yeah Labour - the people that even the Scottish people don't trust and choose their own political party Now these 2 parties who helped to start off this mess and half the others nearly don't wanna be in the UK THESE 2 parties are gonna decide the future of the WHOLE UK ???? Yeah I think I will stick with the devil I do know and let the 2 other idiots have another stint and see if they can honour half of their promises at least (half is quite a milestone in political terms btw)

Think to be fair maybe £5,000 or so should be the limit yes we should all pay for further education past A level - which is more stuff than I left with everybody should pay something - especially if that will help and further their employment heck I was doing a few evening courses at London College of Print - Elephant & Castle - gone now some media bollox college but I paid to learn more about others areas and gain a better understanding of the numerous other area of my industry (might have helped me gain a better understanding of stuff and maybe stood me in better shape for job interviews with my PhD in lithographic bull$hit)

I just remember hearing on radio wtf ? WTF ? WTF? how daf*ck am I gonna pay next months mortgage and I wasn't in a much better paying job than when I previously sold myself so short coz I needed to get a job - any job at the time Like the wall idea but think UKIP might use polish builders as they are a lot cheaper

I don't like him dangling a carrot over the UK people like that..... UKIP wanna the vote now and just remembered a thing back in mid/late 90's..... We went total tits up when people were playing/buying/selling sterling and £ was going through floor etc... Interest rates were then announced to be 11% 13% think it might have gone to 15% all on that same day of panic as sterling took a belting we WAS signed up for Europe but close of play they said we were stepping back from Europe and the interest came back down lower and lower each year yeah some of the Europe crap just don't work

Not sure if I'm going mad - oh waiting I'm nearly there Not sure if I'm going mad - oh wait I forgot I'm already mad bastid dementia - what was I saying ????

Well they got 30 yrs to pay it back or its written off - so that is one f*ckin long "Gap" year but yeah we need decent proper courses and jobs for them to come out to (as long as they are not lazy bastids like how a number of us have become over the years - myself included)

yeah lets see how many of the opposition get shot in westminster actually that ain't a bad idea - go go Putinn

Wasn't gonna reply as this is airsofting but wtf it is quiet...... Am or was one of Maggie's kids - yes Thatcher the milk snatcher you go out, get best basic form of education, get a job, work hard and hopefully stand on your own two feet/home etc.... Wish Scotland got their yes vote tbh - if somebody really wants out in any partnership/relationship there really is not much you can do to make them stay But ironic that everybody can start to pull away from UK with their own little country (always wondered when England would get a chance to opt out of UK) Seriously we - the UK are the UK because of being together and why pull it all apart yes everybody pays more or they pay less - heck how much I have paid in taxes but when I got made redundant I claimed very little back they wouldn't listen about mortgage - they said your wife still works - didn't ask how much she earned or anything.... Luckily that time I got a job, a crappy $hit job but a job all the same within a month selling myself well short for a while (but though that was a while back - '92 in fact and still trying to recover from last boom/bust - but was lucky I guess) No I don't love the Tories like I used to, they have squeezed everybody but if you the country are in financial $hit Then the last thing you do is take out a friggin' payday loan from Wonga - you have to cut back like family holidays, defense, welfare reduction etc.... I don't agree with Labour and the Blair & Brown pact - trust me m8 I'll let you have a go (and f*ck it up) or the so called fair proportional representation bollox of how Ed Milliband came out on top (yeah don't tell me the unions voting method so much better - do you realise how some unions are more f*cking corrupt than the politicians You wouldn't believe the backhanders and scams that were ALWAYS pulled in Fleet St with NGA & SOGAT unions on papers and how very little no I'd say F All those bastids gave a $hit about the rest of us working in pi$$pot printers for a fraction of what them greedy lot was getting the stories and stunts they all pulled yet they were gobsmacked when they finally got f*cked over by Murdoch and all came crashing down You can't hold papers/advertisments/newspapers to ransom for ever and take the pi$$ forever - something had/did give - plus the printers were betrayed by some of the electrician union who ran those new presses at wapping the next day - yeah solidarity there my brothers) Scotland did well - Nicola Sturgeon came across really well and we need to grow our way out of this Yeah - with what ffs - how we gonna just chuck grass seeds about coz we are still in $hit still so we ain't chucking money around I think Obahma is a good leader ffs but I can't vote for him from down South England... I don't want Fracking either, I think UKIP lost what headway it was making with the AIDS treatment story but a lot of people are thinking hang on a sec - "some" of that stuff does make a bit of sense to be fair but don't think they are all racist nutters But do they have any other proposals other than get out of Europe and ease up a bit on immigration ???? Still some of their "milder" policies are being at least looked at by the main parties - only coz it may cost those parties dearly not in money but in what they need - YOUR VOTE. That is the only reason they are kind of saying about looking at immigration/Europe I do NOT want to see a Labour & SNP running the whole country - which could happen (yeah nice one labour - think ya tucked yourself up there and even the more traditional labour people don't trust you - that is funny) I feel Lib Dem and Tories should be given another term to see if they can finish the job rather than another lot come in and blame others whilst they paper over the cracks so to speak. Lib Dem's have lost a lot of ground but feel they do what Clegg says and helps to keep the Tories in check a little Will I vote Tory like I have done previously or will I say to hell and vote UKIP like I did for Euro.... I dunno, I have been hit a little by the cuts, don't agree with fracking but unsure if UKIP will do much more than drag us out of europe Which coming out of Europe can't be a mega bad deal like some say, in fact some financial analysts say it could be a good thing Oh and America & China ain't in Europe but they still trade with the world - what did we do before we joined Europe but kept the £ Don't take everything you read to be gospel chaps on we must remain in Europe or the ar$e falls out of UK Remember the Millenium Bug and everything was gonna go tits up, planes drop out of sky at midnight everybody panic..... Ergh - think we scraped through just about ok on that one THEY ARE ARE ALL LIARS !!!!! Make up YOUR own mind, read up but take what YOU read at first glance with a pinch of salt, even the media is tainted depending on what/where you read Go with YOUR gut feeling or what YOUR heart tells ya - if your party gets elected and makes a bigger mess than what we are in now... DON'T blame THEM but the people who elected them - which YOU played a part in btw WE CAN'T KEEP BLAMING EVERYBODY ELSE FOR UK's PROBLEMS - We need to own up and accept we are all responsible in some tiny way we all overspent, we voted all the previous ar$eholes in, and stop moaning but get off our ar$es and ALL of us work to get out of this No it ain't a speech for me to move into No10, and soz to anybody on here who is really in $hit and hit much harder times thatn most of us (we moan but really we are still doing ok if you can somehow pay the bills (most of them) and food on table/wolves from door etc...) soz to anybody who really is in $hit - I am sure it ain't as easy as many think it is to get a job and keep it - best of luck to those of you be glad when its all over - just hope we don't get into a bigger mess when the dust settles - peace to all of you - yeah even SNP - kidding all of ya

With good full face eye pro you wouldn't know which was a minger or not until lunchtime but even full face minger would be a start soz if this is getting bit sexist - my bad to any female airsofters out there (especially the really fit ones - lol)

would be better then to get more ladies taking up airsoft though

suppose you'd deffo call/feal ya hits - ouch but sod taking the stealthy route through them nettles or ivy - double ouch

add a hint of wear/dirt out there in use giving it the touch of battleworn then it will look even better but nice job all the same

nice one go easy on juice - probably 7.4v with 25c is gonna achieve 25 aprox - plenty for most maybe more with those gears/deans etc even if lonex is more torque than speed motor (ya ratio is nearly 40% increase in rof over 18:1 so in theory a 14.5rof becomes 20 with stock motor setup & 8.4v/9.6v old school nimah) add in deans wire and neodym motor and it goes up even higher fine for up to 30 but above that she may double fire unless AB fet fitted (which you have anyway) Actually with that gear set you will maybe need an AB fet anyway coz it takes only 4.4 turns of bevel to cycle sector compared to 6.25 bevel rotations to turn sector gear one complete revolution - so has less time/turns to stop (even on a beefy "f*ck me that is bitch to turn over by hand" neodym motor) Good job ya got the Pico AAB then coz with a non-AB fet there is a chance of double firing perhaps @25rps with 13:1 me thinks (yes you should keep AR latch in box coz though AB fet brakes motor it don't lock motor like a stepper motor) Also above 35+ rof you "could" get Pre-Engagement on normal m100/350fps setup (So be a little cautious perhaps if you are thinking of going nutz and trying an 11.1v - if she is hitting 25+ already on a 7.4v) Should perform da dogz nutz on 7.4v - soz for waffly warning or caution on trying to push her on much higher juice (be interesting to see if my maths bollox is way out but think the shs figures are likely to be with a 11.1v lipo myself) I gotta get around to modding & downgrading the bi-8001 and might use a hi-speed set I have and a modest but torquey motor (shs 12:1 & slow/stock speed but powerful Big Dragon m140 motor - m160 is a more mental motor in speed & beef btw) Oh and for what it is worth.... G&G are gonna be launching the the Dual Sector Gear version of the Fire Hawk next month so LWA say on FB 29rps on a DSG !!!! - why bother ffs & fps could be a bit lower depending on model/spring - jeez depending on ya wire used and space left to squeeze in the box "grooves" - you have the option of running either 1 or 2 trigger/fet wires externally on right side of box in 22/24awg & back to fet if space is getting tight with thicker 16awg wire. 16awg turnigy silicone is about 3mm in diameter, modify silver wire is a little thinner (not so flexible insulation but much thinner/stronger and so a little more room inside v2 boxes)

That is a bitch sir...... set of new SHS gears or ZCI won't be much though (you have a chance to replace with higher speed gears but think 16:1 would be plenty with ya lonex, deans etc.....) A bit unusual as they are decent gears but w@nk bushing obviously caused it all to fail (had this happen to me at least twice on sector gear but was src and teeth width is very narrow so crossed teeth very easily on spur = CRUNCH) if the glued bush/bearings don't work too well then there is still an option to replace the 8mm and CAREFULLY drill/ream/file the holes for 9mm bearings - though you would need to be very careful and need a little time/workshop probably pillar drill probably 8 to 8.5mm drill - no bigger ffs and with round file carefully reach the 8.99 to 9.00mm diameter hole (all drills seem to create slightly slightly bigger holes that drill used so a 5/16 or 8mm might be max readily available size so rounded taper file might have to be used to increase radius by under 0.5mm - or diamter by less than 1mm if she all loose atm) but that is a last fallback option before buying a new shell hopefully bit of file/sanding off the pips and bushing should glue in ok