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Hi, I’m just after a valuation for a new/unused TM Tokyo Marui KSG gas shotgun.
Obviously it only has a second hand value - but this is straight from the shop in appearance
Any help would be appreciated shotguns/gas stuff is not my area of expertise , lol and I am just about to list this for sale - probably
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I have always followed the manufacturers guidance and never the varied opinions of often uninformed airsofters.
Quite a few lipo manufacturers recommend fully balance charging lipos straight after use. Charge to 4.2v per cell with no more than .2 variation between cells.
Storage charge is for long term storage. Long term is generally more than 3 months between use.
I have fully charged batteries that are still holding 4.18/4.19V per cell after 9 moths plus of storage.
Remember it is cycles that degrade batteries, so lowering to storage charge after every use, is in effect complete a single storage and doing this regularly will reduce the effective life of the battery maybe by as much as half of its expected life.
However I am just another uninformed airsofter in reality, and my opinion is not better than the next mans- so read what they manufacturer says- they probably know best
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The pressure required to “detonate” the dyntatec one (left) is very low, no more than a few pounds of pressure, and less than a centimetre of movement in the release pin to pull it out.
the other is on the same principal - spring loaded firing pin, it must be missing parts to set - which is why I need to identify it, lol 😂
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So to answer some of the questions raised, -rest I know that the one on the left is a dynatex scaremonger - I have owned that for years and know exactly how it works. For the benefit of @Tommikkaand his helpful images, they both take 9mm blanks placed in the screw in top (vented section) the left one is set by pulling the plunger outwards and pushing in on the central pin that passes through the plunger to lock the firing pin in the primed position (which has the effect of priming a spring loaded firing pin) the central rod going through the plunger can be very easily pulled out and this action releases the firing pin to fire the blank.
fishing line (normally) is then tied to both half’s via the rings, and secured to a fixed point with the line crossing a trail or doorway, contact with the line pulls the in and bang ‼️ grenade kills for all those with whatever blast range your site sets (10m in my case)
it’s the one on the right I am interested in identifying, it appears to work on the same principle, but I cannot see how to prime it, if I can identify it I can find out if parts are missing or broken off, such as the plunger shaped priming device. For those asking for different angles there is nothing else to see, it’s a plain blue metallic cylinder- unlike the dynatec scaremonger it does not have a central safety pin hole, it has an almost identical spring loaded firing pin, which I can press down on, but there is no way to lock it in the primed position.
any help to identity it is great, PS I’ve searched bird scarers, security trip wires, and many other terms, involving blank firing devices lol, lots of similar things but nothing the same
49 minutes ago, Cannonfodder said:It's a Dynatex Scaremonger Blank Firing Trip Mine according to google, they come in .209, 9mm and 12g flavours. Unfortunately I can't find much more than that. If you get it working please let us know what they're like as I'm always interested in stuff that goes boom
The one on the left is a scaremonger, the one on the right isn’t, it’s the right one I’m interested in
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Hi,
Can anyone identify the airsoft trip wire mine on the right and explain how they work- or confirm my thoughts that there are parts missing
unlike the one on the left there is no plungers to reset the spring on the firing pin and no safety pin hole
google has failed me
any help appreciated
EDIT : PS I know the left one is a dynatex scaremonger
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Can someone tell me how to contact a group admin?
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Erm autocorrect lol keys/screws
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5 minutes ago, RostokMcSpoons said:
Very interesting, thanks for posting that.
This perhaps ties in with the fact that AliExpress seems to have a lot less airsoft content on it than it used to - specifically suppressors, as I'm shopping for a chunky one to stick on my new 416. It seems Ali only sell suppressor covers now... perhaps they too are restricting them to comply with foreign laws.
That sounds very possible, the guy actually spent a fair bit of time trying to explain worldwide e-commerce licenses, a lot of which was over my head lol, and he spoke a lot about recent civil actions and prosecutions against eBay (he referred to them as significant “law suits”) that resulted in eBay having to tighten up there compliance management of what he called “unlicensed sales”
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So for those of us that list “Airsoft” items on eBay regularly you may be confused why some listings are removed yet other listings for identical or similar items are allowed to remain.
tonight I finally managed to speak with one of their policy team managers, who gave me 40 minutes of his time and actually answered every question asked, without evasion (my previous experience of appealing a removed item, has just been met with evasive answers, and I promise someone from the policy or escalations team will call you back to explain- never happens! )
Some of the answers made a lot of sense , and I thought I’d share the information given.
so here goes, and happy to answer any questions or clarify anything I’ve not explained well.
Firstly Ebay worldwide are bound by California law, and are only licensed to sell certain items on their platform - it seems odd, but that licence affects their platform worldwide. California law prevents the sale by e-commerce of any articles that can be attached to automatic rifles, or that replicate attachments for automatic rifles (where they chance or enhance their operation). So things like, Stocks, vertical foregrips, hand stops, suppressors. Etc are all regulated.
They have an Airsoft policy preventing the sale of Airsoft guns, receivers, and this includes BB guns and pellets guns. The6 do allow ammunition but interestingly only up to 0.25 calibre is the term they used. The adviser was unsure what that meant but he assumed it was BB WEIGHT., it’s more likely to be air-pellet calibre (I would guess)
The next thing of interest is how they deal with an unauthorised item. They often flag breaches of the firearms policy as breaches of the airsoft policy if Airsoft is specifically mentioned in the advert. They do that actually to help us UK (specifically UK) airsofters out. Because….3 firearms policy strikes and your account is suspended/removed from the platform if you’re in the US. So the penalties for breaching Airsoft policy are much less serious - they amount to a “education warning” Your account is then flagged and monitored for attempts to relist the item.
They removed over 1750 Airsoft suppressor listings (as an example, that’s what I had removed) in the last 28 days. They had no reason to believe any of them were real, they simply are just not allowed by California E commerce laws. Which they claim they are working to change with a category amendment to the trading licence through the courts - however Airsoft is flagged as a tiny niche market for them and it’s not a priority.
Finally how are your dodgy items detected, - some but actually very few are by keyword, and image algorithms that have them flagged and checked manually. mostly they are checked by batch sampling on item numbers (an invigilator or verifier will be sent 500 items to check every few days) and they are flagged if it’s not right, then removed.
He provided a lot more information about the processes and the legal reasons behind the issue, and why they can’t easily change rules from country to country - but the post is already to long and quite boring for most.
this will be useful to ebayers who don’t understand why their items are removed when they don’t appear to breach the stated policy.
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“Makes me chuckle when you watch on YT people unboxing Mystery boxes and they start pulling out batteries , smoke grenades ,all in the same box ! “
These are sent by courier - the retailer usually has a special agreed terms account
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1 hour ago, Herrgh said:
Can you tell the story of what happened to these two RIFs? I'd be interested to learn.
Yup - fairly short story - the incoming one was sent to me with a mag in the gun- sender insisted the mag was empty and not under pressure - however it was detecting in scanning at Edinburgh Airport mail centre, -sent to Belfast -Royal Mail Dangerous Goods and firearms inspection centre, where the examiner would not even examine the gun due to mag in - destroyed - no right of appeal !
outgoing one is more complex, but again detected during mail
scanning at Edinburgh airport- originally seized as suspect “firearm” incoming one was seized for “compressed gasses” - Again taken to Belfast where it was examined and passed the initial examination for “firearms” and assessed correctly to be an “Airsoft gun” it was released - but then re seized (not sure where this happens and no one could explain) and found to have “compressed gas” in one of the mags - I guarantee it was empty when sent - however again destroyed and appeal was found in favour of RM
On 01/01/2023 at 08:57, Danno46 said:What is never mentioned but probably should be is posting lipo batteries
They are an absolute minefield
And that’s why they are not mentioned - the rules are not clear - because you can send them “connected” to an “electronic device” along with one set of spares as Long as they are new and in original new retail packaging.
the last time I looked it then went on to say that you you can “never”
send “used” lipo
so it gets very confusing- I could not get RM dangerous goods team to even confirm where or not an AEG was an “electronic device”- they allow batteries connected to RC cars, which are far more volatile
I don’t mind being responsible for giving postal advice lol, but I didn’t want to venture into lipo posting advice that even the RM staff can’t agree on lol
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There may have been a few posts before about this, but a few things have changed recently so I thought I’d have a a bit of a moan and justify it at the same time .
Posting Rifles (between 2kg and 20kg) total weight
Many have got away with posting Airsoft guns using a variety of services and couriers - but please be certain they have “got away” with it
The only Uk mail service that will knowingly ship Airsoft guns for private customers who do not have a special terms account is the Royal Mail Group (this includes Parcel Force).
As long as the package is less than 150cm long and under 20kg they will ship. Most RIFs can be shipped for under £10 (cue my first moan ….. sellers charging £15- to as much as £30 I’ve seen today) for postage for a RIF). If you don’t want to post say that in the add, it’s fine, but don’t charge £30 for postage that will cost £9.
Enhanced Compensation
RM groups enhanced comp does not cover Airsoft Guns, BUT it does cover accessories shipped with the RIF, If you want to cover the full cost and pay the high cost of extra insurance, you have to be a bit smart.
list accessories separately and make you you keep separate valuations in the unlikely event of a parcel force loss - get retail valuation on extra mags, optics, foregrips, suppressors etc, it soon all adds up?however my experience and it is extensive over 200 RIFs now shipped - 3 damaged in transit, no losses, 1 incoming seized by Rm and destroyed, 1 sent seized and destroyed by RM.
DANGEROUS GOODS RULES
Pistols, GBBRS and HPA- are all potentially caught by the DG in transit rules - with RM group what you have to do is properly vent all pressure vessels (gas mags) and either remove or wedge open the release valve. The easiest way to do this is using a small tight roll of cardboard held in place one the release valve button. Never leave a mag in guns, RM claim they won’t examine a gun with a mag fitted and it is automatically destroyed. I always pack mags outside the pistol box. For ease of examination
for pistol packages under 2kg you can use RM 1st class.
COURIERS
all couriers have different “prohibited” items lists, but all of the Uk couriers specify “firearms” in their list of prohibited items. Please don’t try and be clever with couriers and claim that an Airsoft gun is not a Firearm. The fact is it’s not a firearm under Uk law, but it is a firearm under most (if not all) courier small print definition - the6 don’t have to recognise the legal definition and some have now amended their prohibited list to actually make it clear that a firearm includes anything that looks like a firearm.
KIT AND ACCESSORIES
The best postage option just now for all kit and accessories is by far the RM Tracked 24/48 service. Tracked 48 is currently £2.85 booked online and that’s including £100 comp cover and free collection from home - you can’t beat that, and it’s a service that is prioritised during industrial action. Cue next moan…..people charging £5-£10 to post a £30 optic…… or a JPC because it’s bulky….lol
PACKAGING
when posting RIFs please beware there are minimum standards of packaging rules. If you don’t follow them, you lose your right to claim in the event of damage. Use a minimu of a stiff cardboard box, the original retail box should almost always be sufficient but take extra care when retailers use flimsy boxes. Plea to bubble wrap, vinyl foam wrap (like the stuff new tvs are in) even crushed newspaper helps. Take pictures of your packing layers - you will need them in the event of a claim. And always wrap external layer with something waterproof. Bin bags are cheap and good enough. If you ship a lot of stuff, pallet wrap Is the way forward cheap and makes external wrapping piece of cake.
finally - always keep your proof of posting ! Without it you have no claim.
Happy to answer any questions, there is not much I haven’t come across in terms of shipping problems, claims, losses, dangerous goods seizures.
long post I know, but it’s important stuff to know - and looking at adverts clearly many have no idea (or they are at it…lol)
happy new year 2023
Paul
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1 hour ago, Rogerborg said:
Quite possibly. While "any thing which has the appearance of being a firearm" is an extremely broad definition, it's hard to see how a half-sized bright orange toy could meet it.
The take-away point is that it can be prosecuted, and the process isn't one that I'd wish on anyone.
Absolutely- anytime I am carrying airsoft guns - I know exactly what I’m telling the police in the very unlikely happens and I’m asked !!
I’ve been stopped 3 times (I happen to pass a regular road check point) on the way home from late evening games with guns in the car- police have never really flinched, always been professional, never been a drama - one occasion the guns were not in bags or cases as I had collected a couple of extras lol -
1 hour ago, Rogerborg said:
Doesn't look like it, but he avoided jail. Even the Sheriff sounds disbelieving that it reached court, but reach it it did. Just keep your reasonable excuse to hand.
I’m pretty sure the conviction was quashed on appeal- it’s probably an unreported appeal (probably undefended by the CRown) so no internet trace of it on Scot courts website - I remember the case - it actually met the legal classification of a “Toy” - it was all very bizzare - I think the important factor in convicting him was his own explanation of the purpose of having it -“ I’ll use it on people who don’t give me money” -
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2 hours ago, Rogerborg said:
A clause that only a lawyer could love. It's just begging for some juicy "What Parliament meant to say was..." case law.
Nonsense, the Thompson doesn't shoot 10mm explosive-tip caseless standard light armour-piercing rounds.
We know for a fact that sitting outside a bank with a bright orange springer - that everybody in the case agrees is a "toy" - can get you prosecuted and convicted.
Think that conviction has been overturned on appeal ?? That happened near me
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I don’t think anyone in the discussion disagrees about the instant consequences of the public waving of an imitation - and that offence is actually very straightforward (as explained) and the article doesn’t even have to resemble a gun - as said two pipes taped together resembling a shotgun barrel is an “imitation firearm” for the purposes of the 1968 Firearms Act
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8 hours ago, Tommikka said:
Realistic’ of course being in the definition that someone might think it is real, which brings in fictional guns as opposed to looking the same as a real one
This is another interesting discussion actually, for an imitation firearm to be a “Realistic” imitation Firearm, it must actually be a copy of a Real firearm produced by an actual firearms manufacturer- the famous star wars blasters produced for airsoft are in fact not RIFS. And do not require the seller of them to verify a defence.
it’s all made even more complex (and confusing for airsofters) by the fact That the term “Imitation Firearm” is defined differently for the purposes of the Firearms Act, 1968 (the principal licensing and criminal ownership legislation) and the Violent Crimes a Reduction Act, 2006 which deals with importation, selling manufacture and modification.
If I recall correctly “Realistic Imitation Firearms” are not mention at all in the FIrearms Act 1968, and I believe under that Act an “Airsoft Gun” which has a specific legal definition cannot be an “imitation firearm”, I say that as in all my years of experience in enforcement roles, I am yet to come across any legislation where 1 item can be two different defined things in the same legislation. This principle of not being able to be two different legally defined things however I am less certain of, however a Police firearms expert agrees with me.
“Realistic” in the definition in the VCRA2006 ONLY relates to size, shape and principal colour. (See section 38(1), 38(2) and 38(3) - imitation Firearms for that Act, are specifically define pd to be imitations of “REAL modern Firearms”.
the “Realistic” concept only relates to the offences of selling, importation, manufacturing and modification.
The only mention of “imitation firearm” in the 1968 Act, is at Sections 16-20 ? (There may be others) Which the part of the Act that prescribes the various offences involving imitation firearms, possession with intent to cause fear, commit crime, resist arrest, in public without reasonable excuse….etc
For those offences “IF” is defined very simply as “any thing which has the appearance of being a firearm” (at the time of the offence and not at any other time- and it can be based on the perception of a witness and not necessarily based on expert testimony) (unlike. RIF which requires expert testimony to prove the article)
This definition covers all sorts of things e.g 2 pieces of pipe taped together poking out a bag to give the impression it’s a shotgun during a robbery, but not someone making the shape of a gun with their fingers in their pocket (case law references are here https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/firearms)
Right must sleep, that was going to be a short explanation highlighting the confusion caused by the two separate pieces of legislation, with differing definitions, but became very detailed and referenced knowing how much evidence some individuals want on this forum.
if the legal stuff really interests anyone, I do enjoy the discussion feel free to PM
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1 hour ago, Rogerborg said:
Eh. Everyone loves a bit of drama. We've had this discussion a few times and know that it ends nowhere, so we're finding fun in other ways. There's no real griefing involved: note that @Tommikka and I respectfully disagree on the firearm-and/or-RIF issue.
If I really wanted to be rude, I'd ask how much of your career was spent in Traffic, or Professional Standards. But rest assured that I'd never sink that low.
I spent a fair amount of time arguing with Traffic and a lot of time “with” professional standards lol (is that what you meant ??)! Rapidly approaching the point however where I’ve been away longer than the 19years plus I was in
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2 hours ago, SBoardley said:
Lol
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Hope I organisation’s clients grammar spellcheck punctuation paralegal.
Fortunately I don’t actually have to write shit for that particular client … and it’s not connected to my paralegal work….lol so we are all goodest
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52 minutes ago, Rogerborg said:
In general, yes. In this case, come on, let's be serious. De minimis non curat lex.
It moved a long time ago from a specific case discussion to a more general discussion- however - in my specific case I do some work for organisation that have clients particularly sensitive to firearms - my involvement in airsoft would not align with their moral standing and if revealed to them it would almost certainly cost me financially quite a bit- that said in reality the source of any leak of information to them is highly unlikely to be a UKARA data breach lol.
its been an interesting discussion - quite eye opening - the level of ignorance and offensive aggression in this forum
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3 hours ago, Tackle said:
But surely, irrespective of gdpr, if you or I sign up for Ukara (mine lapsed years ago, another story) , we're giving our consent for what I consider to be very small snippets of information to be confirmed, in order to prove a defense & get that elusive rif.
As the saying goes, "the end justifies the means", & anyone that disagrees with it should probably not bother signing up, or if changes in laws affect its lawfulness (such as gdpr coming in years after ukara's inception), which I'm guessing is what your concerned with, then have your entry deleted.
Job done ?
While I'm sure your probably right that UKARA infringes gdpr (I'm definitely no expert), the majority of airsofters rely on it for rif sales in all forms, & would probably rather keep it in its current "grey" form than potentially lose it completely without an alternative ready to take its place.
I think your missing what I’m
actually saying - and you are right in almost all of what you’ve say - when you sign up you are agreeing to share the information held (crucially your player status) with the subscribing retailers - what your not agreeing to is sharing that player status with the general public - because that status in law is considered to be “sensitive data” to some individuals it may be very sensitive and it being revealed to a non entitled member of the public maybe harmful . As I have said from the outset I provided my details to the seller- knowing that he was likely to obtain the information- potentially unlawfully, but I didn’t care as I wanted to buy his offerings - when he didn’t then use the information supplied - it sparked a curiosity? And I like a discussion to asked the questions - the problem is that some muppets on the internet get involved in things they have no expertise and when someone who has experience/expertise and genuine knowledge of a topic he is written off as a liar lol
What brand BBs are best nowadays? Bang for buck.
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Best and most consistent.28s I’ve used (I am sad and check my bb weight quite often with 4 dp digital microscales) are BAW brand, come in bags called Baw bags - lol
https://www.airsoftworld.net/catalogsearch/result/?q=Baw
more recently a couple of top Uk techs, (including Kingdom of Airsoft) who have done some extensive testing have surprisingly recommended Nuprol RZR, having bought a couple of different weights - they are remarkable good clean consistent bbs