Tommikka

Because his parents didn’t go to the papers with sad face ?

One careful rogerborg who has driven it to the church hall twice a week …… for drifting around the car park

Was it Woderwick, or was he weleased before he got the chance to make any final speeches?

It depends on the purpose of the training activity A lot of companies want to sell super special training systems to governments at great expense (and they do) complete with equipment that replicates the real weapons, but to put the lesson in practice they don’t need to use a real looking / real style operating gun. If they want close up activities and the consequence of feeling a bit of pain then paintball delivers that It may have been a conscious decision to use paintball over Airsoft, or it could just be what was easily available

I have not been to Benidorm, don’t and have never lived in the West Midlands but have been out and about there more than once. To my best recollection I had not been involved with any Pauline’s in the 2000s/2010s Honest …… Call it Cardiff, Wiltshire or Dover/Calais ferries the in the 90s to 2000s and I wouldn’t be so sure

We’ve been through worse in the UK Recognise it for what it is - a BB gun, that is not a toy made it’s way into the hands of a child with uncontrolled access Either fraudulently bought, or negligently passed on There may have been responsible access originally but kids do stupid things Keep this case in the back of your mind whenever posts come up asking for tricks to bypass the VCRA, and condemn stupid things that occur

He didn’t shoot people - he facilitated it - Junior arms dealer bringing in guns for his friends to shoot people

Need something a bit more professional …

Spot on. Not a lot of people realise that the police can pick it up and test fire with anything A major win for airsoft when the redefinition was drafted This is the key point - the police, Home Office & Border Force have had a good relationship with the UKPSF and we are reliant on the ‘intention’ of the law and that something doesn’t make it to court, or that dickhead-ism gets prosecuted on other points A change in political view or the wrong case could go very badly None - and worse than that in the old days, Scottish paintball sites were constantly raided for unlicensed section 5 firearms because the definintion of an airgun didn’t cover CO2 This is a term that I very much dislike. It sounds like we are hiding something with secret words I get very hot under the collar when spotty teenagers try to tell me it’s not a ‘paintball gun’ but a ‘marker’ and that I should learn my history because ‘they have always been called markers’ They were ‘paint marking guns’ and ‘paint marking pistols’, which fired paint to actually mark items. We fire a coloured gelatine that rubs off ’Marker’ is very much a PC term that comes from the US in the late 80s/90s to ‘disassociate’ from the gun nuts so that mums will let their kids play ….. and then had bloodthirsty team names

We keep saying “frangible”, but are referring to “lethality” and “lethal barrelled weapon/air weapon” For example first strikes only became ungrey when official testing was paid for and they were fully assessed for “lethality” (First strikes are a half sphere paintball with a plastic ‘fin’ on the back, looking a bit like an airgun pellet

In my opinion - no In the opinion of the quoted barrister consulted by the UKPSF - yes If you were to delete the word ‘airsoft’ from ‘airsoft skirmishing’ then I’d agree Based on the Association of police constables fact finding study and previous correspondence between the UKPSF and the Home Office then I’d agree that there have been musings that it could be argued in court as the intent of the law, where as the literal wording of the statutory instrument wouldn’t

It would be interesting to know what the actual story was as opposed to the version he gave: Someone with a history of ‘airgun offences’ reported a lorries dangerous driving, which resulted in his girlfriend letting CID in the door for a search without a warrant https://p8ntballer-forums.com/threads/paintball-and-the-law.171875/page-7 The original Facebook posts have disappeared, and (though only a basic name search) I’ve not found much other than someone with a similar name who would have been in prison at the time for conspiracy to murder

They generally get listed with options of 7.5, 11 or 16 joules in UK shops depending on model / calibre 16 joules is within the 12 foot pounds limit for air weapons/rifles and therefore will be within the approx 300fps ‘legal” limit for a standard 0.68” paintball, but may or may not exceed the general 280fps chrono limit on sites depending on the gun Both 11 & 16 joules would exceed the air pistol limit if 6 foot pounds, and 7.5 joules would comply Theres then the question that hasn’t been answered in court as to whether the just over 300fps case law covers all paintball - and it has been suggested that a standard paintball gun could be classified as an air pistol

@Speedbird_666 @Rogerborg These Home Defence guns do have the attention of the Home Office & Border Force, and they aren’t entirely happy Recent changes by the UKPSF on their guidelines to retailers are related to the increase in Home Defence designs If appropriate versions are here in the UK with the correct velocity limit and paintballs or first strikes then they are UK legal for paintball But if they are dodgy imports (or modified back to full velocity) then they are airguns and could be subject to deciding whether they are legal or illegal airguns Also irrespective of velocity if they are used with other projectiles then they are heading to the illegal side The only approved projectiles for paintball are classic gelatine balls (which can be in non standard sizes) and First Strike shaped paintballs which were subject to testing a few years ago. First Strike testing was conducted on the 0.68” version, other sizes exist Rubber balls have been used in the past as ‘training paintballs’ (reballs etc). These are not approved for paintball Powder balls get used in the UK for some purposes - I’m seen them used for film special FX and for shooting galleries I’m aware of one event that was considering Powderball, but they were worried about legal implications and the event also never happened. They are not approved for paintball Modified projectiles will generate the interest of the courts Self defence is a right in the UK, but a self defence weapon is an offensive weapon Get one of these found in your bedside table during a search by the police and you will be looking at a prosecution (I have seen this mentioned on forums, possibly also on here) Use of a paintball gun for home defence /self defence is a stupid idea. I play that game for fun, and I enjoy going into the middle of a firefight as a photographer or Marshall getting repeatedly battered. It’s not going to put off a burglar, they either wouldn’t care or would be made grumpy. You would have a better chance of scaring them off by waving the wife’s favourite toy at them They definitely do not belong in an airsoft game. On the chrono range its arguable - on the basis of it being a paintballer chrono checking On reporting to staff they should care or advise that it’s been OKd for testing/chrono checks etc - shrugging it off does not inspire me The Umarex guns are not user adjustable. They are preset by the valve. The full HDR models can also exceed the Americans permitted velocity / power, and a number of reviews ‘advise’ to dry fire a few shots on 12 gram change Law enforcement & home defence versions of paintball guns have existed for many years - In fact a few paintball designs are spin offs from the ‘less than lethal’ models. Typically these have been unrestricted valves marketed as home defence / law enforcement and adjustable restricted valves in paintball energy limits Umarex have come into the market as home defence with a restricted valve option. I’ve said many times how much I dislike airsoft glasses, I’ve seen BBs get in the side and glasses dislodged but these guns don’t belong anywhere near an airsoft game They belong with full face protection and at safe power limits Personally I do have an Umarex .50” revolver as a lockdown purchase, and it came from a reputable Uk retailer. It has never been fired and won’t be used anywhere until I’ve done some proper chrono & range testing

Crime and Security act 2010 covers the storage of air weapons, and creates an offence of a minor gains access to a stored air weapon. (Arguably a legally compliant airsoft gun may have been removed from this when firearms act definition were modified) The legislation requires them to be secured if minors may have access to the property, which could be anything from a locked bag to a gun safe. Police guidance recommended gun safes This was brought in following various cases including deaths of children finding air guns

I’m quite fond of ‘experts’ who state with ‘authority’ that a British Army load out is wrong when on operations you get numerous mixes of uniform & equipment in MTP, multicam, DPM, olive, and issue (let alone 1950 era issue belt on just out of Sandhurst 2nd Lieutenant), QM GPC purchase, PRI purchase, private purchase. Then when not on operation there are all the different regimental dress codes, combat loads, shouty man’s dress code etc When the Army can’t agree on sleeves up/down, shirts (light jacket) tucked in/out etc and the CGS sends out an Army wide order on when up/down applies and that C95 is tucked in but PCS is out - but the Army stiffly disobeys, followed by CGSs new order of “I don’t give a shit whether it’s up/down/in/out, you can have local orders - but be fucking consistent”* * not the officially published wording On topic now ….. Loadout guides appear in some magazines as an article, or also as explicit or less explicit advertising, sometimes as web articles etc and can be aimed at airsoft, reenactment, model making etc They can also be research such as Osprey guides, museums, photos & paintings etc Theres a lot of information out there. The thing that may make a difference is whether you are collating and publishing the information or selling guides Many people will be interested in reading a guide, less would pay for it

For any obstacle / bunker and game layout design make sure that it is both attackable & defendable Its a common flaw to design defences to be defended. For example if you make a fort building then leave big wide open doorways on at least two sides and the back of towers exposed.

5 looks ideal for a kill house: Clear out the trees, build a grid frame system of ‘rooms’, put up boards as the walls. Ideally leave an open doorway in every wall ( so each ‘room’ has entrances in every direction ) Then close off some the doorways either by semi permanently screwing them in place, or hang them on hooks so they can be rearranged If possible build some overhead walkways/observation platforms - that way you can have staff watching overhead to run the game and oversee for safety, plus have a couple on the ground to run in for an emergency OSB wood panels should work for a kill house wall system (cut some windows etc for variation) Check pallets for condition - you don’t want customers getting large splinters from rough pallets, or a part broken panel snapping Also check their nails - you don’t want a customer to get embedded onto a rusty 6” nail. Where practical remove loose nails & replace with screws Avoid using pallets as temporary floors, boots will go through and ankles will get trapped Consider covering pallets with hessian sheeting / sacks as obstacles Check tyres for condition. If old tyres are worn unevenly then the underlining wire will be exposed

This type of catering N20 cylinder is at 50bar / 725psi CO2 under pressure is in its liquid state and expands to gas on release in the region of 800psi (But with rapid fire can drop in temperature and go back to liquid) This is partly the reason why paintball HPA regulators and mechanical guns were originally operating at 800psi I don’t know how it would continue to perform in the cylinder or on transfer to a co2 magazine etc for practical use. Assuming it acted like co2 rather than compressed air then it would switch between gas & liquid states, stabilising into its ‘stored’ state and acting like low powered co2 It would be interesting to know the results if you go ahead

It depends on how much / how often you will use air If air is available at the site that you play then that’s the best option. If you need to source your own air then a compressor would be the easiest option, as it will give you the defined pressure. But they do vary in capability. Workshop compressors don’t give enough pressure (and aren’t clean which can be dangerous) There is a very slow option that piggy backs a workshop compressor with a boosting compressor (generally called the shoebox compressor) Professional compressors cost thousands, others have got cheaper (as linked above) Ensure that you are within its operating capacity, that it is maintained and that the air is filtered A cheap & ‘easy’ but requiring physical effort is a stirrup pump. Again it needs to be filtered. This is a fair option for occasional use In between is a dive cylinder. With one of these you are equalizing the pressure between cylinders each time, which slowly drops the source pressure. If you have 3000psi/206bar cylinder then that’s your typical aluminum cylinders maximum. Which means you need to only fill to the minimum that will allow you to play long enough in game and then refill. (eg aim for 2500psi fills to keep it going longer) The larger the dive cylinder is the longer it will take to gradually drop in pressure. If you have a 4500psi/300bar dive cylinder then the initial purchase costs more, but you have 50% more source pressure making. You can then decide to go for 3000psi fills for a while, but if you limit your fills then it will last much longer To fill your playing cylinder you need the appropriate hose fitting for the fill nipple. A compressor or stirrup pump will most likely have the right fitting For a dive cylinder you will need to get a fill clamp adaptor A few of the options are discussed in the following

Was that a bargain price that you paid, or a ‘bargain price’ for the purposes of her indoors ? As in when a team mate commented on the current second hand price of one of his guns ….. “That’s really good as it’s almost what you paid”. He had to bite his tongue when he almost replied as to how that compared with the actual purchase price

@rainyfur The video link I posted literally talks you through and shows the process of making a shotgun blast a flame out of the barrel Anyone with the tiniest bit of a practical minded brain could provide a solution that could apply that and costs pennies. The rest of the video shows the range of different prop guns that could be used and many different ways of ‘live’ SFX including various ways of minimising the risk involved

We tried out one of the multi person catapaults intending to use it to launch across a valley ….. the first test shot (or at least the first one to hit the target) knocked the goggles flying - frame in one direction, lens in another, prop head flying off This sort of thing

I used to be the Army lead in a particular subject area. I’d get at least one call a week with a sob story as to why their problem was special and my 3 answers were: 1) I hear your problem, oh dear how sad never mind. You are in the queue and will get yours sorted along everyone else’s as per priority / resources 2) That’s a shame, I’ll knock up an email endorsing it, and if you call them on Monday everything will be wonderfull But the most common response was number 3 3) You’re in the Navy, call x ”But we’re a bit like the Army and wear green clothes”