Tommikka

You aren’t being an old granny The toy industry isn’t taking the piss, I would hazard a guess that this is some basic cheap shop pushing cheap and nasty imports, or a basic convenience shop with their cheap and nasty corner. Trading Standards ought to be interested, as I dare say these water guns aren’t CE certified(or whatever we are supposed to be adopting now post Brexit), which for a water gun will be minor and might not be TS top priority, but it’s bound to have other non compliant cheap crap. (Not to forget the unlimited fine a retailer could face for a non VCRA compliant RIF sale) The orange tip makes it obvious that these are not made for the UK market. UK airsoft retailers aren’t always taking the VCRA seriously themselves - otherwise you wouldn’t have retailers pushing JustCos or trying to get buyers to claim they are reenactment military vehicle owners Some see it the VCRA as a nuisance that loses themselves sales against others who turn a blind eye rather than protection from the offence they could commit

@RohanAlex123 It is best to fill a cylinder on its own (as you appear to have done as you have asked if you should have had the gun regulator connected) As per the video linked above…… if the ‘high’ burst disk had blown then that would relate to having had the cylinder over pressurised. as your ‘low’ burst disk has blown then that means too much pressure was coming out of the regulator The cylinders regulator should only be letting air out in the hundreds of psi but unless you had any equipment fitted no air should have been coming out Assuming you didn’t have a remote line etc connected then I would guess that the regulator failed and out the full pressure that you were filling - this matches your description of the ‘low’ 1800psi burst disk failing at up to 2000psi of fill Assuming it was a new cylinder then the regulator was faulty - go straight back to the retailer (don’t just replace the burst disk - there is a reason why it failed) What was your fill source? If it was a proper HPA compressor, filtered and maintained then I would still be blaming a faulty regulator If if was a ‘home’ compressor system, or an unfiltered system then I’d be less sure and would then consider that the system was contaminated, clogged the regulator and caused the regulator to fail. The regulator would need a complete rebuild by a competent person Another possible source of contamination is a dirty fill nipple. If you don’t have one then I’d recommend getting a nipple cover to keep it safe until filling If it wasn’t new then burst disks can fail, but still remember the regulator has failed and needs to be investigated Take a life lesson that high pressure air is to be respected, your burst disk has done its job (consider it as a pressure fuse), and keep skin clear from burst disks when filling just in case …… if can be scary, but your bottle didn’t blow up Many many years ago there were a couple of actual bottle explosions which had a combination of factors contributing to them. A couple of weeks after an actual explosion I was in proximity to the blowing of a ‘high’ burst disk when someone filled a 3000psi on the 4500psi fill station - everyone ran & then slowly walked back to give him grief How were you filling? This runs through how to fill, with the exception that of filling from empty it’s advisable to stop / start a couple of times to avoid too much heating

This will vary between sites & organisers There is no explicit minimum age in the UK to play, and it will generally be controlled by the sites insurance and any ‘special activity’ that the site may cover For example a site game organiser may allow juniors on their site but if they also run a special event elsewhere such as booking an MoD training establishment might up the age to adults only It can also depend on what you mean by MilSim. It means different things to different people, and even then there are different levels ‘Standard’ airsoft might look like MilSim from the outside but the average skirmish on the average site will be a mix of the local people, some in full dress up mode with all the gear and being a ‘ninja operator’, some in jeans & t shirt and anything inbetween ’Events’ are run to a format and are more likely to attract the ‘MilSimmer’ but May also get average people Events may have equipment available to hire - but it depends on the organiser ‘FilmSim’ is much more serious in the look and play style and some guy in jeans & t shirt won’t be welcome unless there’s some form of insurgency faction The best option is to go to a local skirmish, contacting the site beforehand to ensure you can hire for the day and get to see what the others use To buy your own black guns / RIFs you need to be 18 and to have established a ‘defence’ to the VCRA such as UKARA membership via playing at a participating site the required number of times. A Junior can legally be ‘gifted’ a RIF by an adult who qualifies (get some games in and start writing your birthday / Xmas list)

I have blown myself up more than once …… not necessarily in a game environment I concur that the primary thought whilst pyro is hissing in your hand is to remove it from your proximity ….. and preferably before it stops hissing

As per the other thread ….. …. valid defences for buying a black gun / RIF include airsoft skirmishing and reenactment (among some others) The MVT covers membership as a reenactor in the Military Vehicle Trust, airsoft skirmishing is normally ‘proven’ by playing three times at an airsoft site and gaining site membership with UKARA registration Ask the shop why they are asking you to conspire to commit fraud to justify their quicker sale rather than you taking the required time to play - they are probably worried that you will learn more about airsoft and buy something else from someone else

The distinction between ‘black’ and ‘two tone’ applies to the VCRA as ‘RIF’ and ‘IF’ The seller is responsible under the VCRA if they sell a RIF without establishing a valid use (‘defence’) As you have told the seller that you intend to play airsoft it’s very fishy that they have suggested the MVT Unless you told them that you are a reenactor then they look to be attempting to involve you in a fraudulent conspiracy. Why would you join the MVT as a re-enactor / military vehicle owner if your intent is to play airsoft?

The all the gear no idea speedsoft run is a bit of a losing tactic But as we don’t die, but just have to walk back a bit, there’s method in the madness —— if they are running around with some purpose of course If eliminations matter then you won that engagement If someone gained some ground, or finally stoped you dominating an area then they won the engagement But if they enjoyed the exercise and you enjoyed eliminating them then everyone’s a winner

A core part of airsoft is dressing up to play soldiers If you want to play ‘most effectively’ then watch the speedsofters and aim for practicality & effectiveness But there will be the larping side of dressing up and having the ‘right’ equipment,the streamlined quick & efficient speedsoft and somewhere in between With pistols it’s hard to bear the natural pointing capability. At playable ranges the slightly experienced player should be able to point approximately where it’s going to hit without great use of sights If you are going to try and be the great one shot ninja then you should put the time in with practice under various conditions to understand the relationship between weapon, sight, bb and weather But the important part is fun - ensure that however you play that you can leave smiling

From that demo video it’s a coded ‘capture the flag/base’ or ‘defuse the bomb’ Nothing wrong with that in itself It could be put into a game format by adding elements to the mission of identifying the code (clues, cards to be collected with part of the code on each), finding the device, getting it to a location, entering the code There are many of these around Rather than an app that has to run on a smart device which means risking it. That can be also run on an arduino - you just need a keypad and display There are plenty of examples across the web with builds and code (with pretty much your example available off the shelf) To make it more interesting I would recommend a consequence for the wrong code - eg 3 fails and you’ve lost / blown up / alarm sounded and/or a continuity function eg there is a maximum time limit (the full game time) it initiates as neutral, the first hit of that button or successful code ‘captures’ the device for a selected side, the second renders it neutral The final result is then - reds held for 5 minutes, blues held for 4:45 The continuity function is similar to a chess clock. Timing begins on the first hit, then it gets recaptured on each click Simple device An enhancement is to add in more than two sides, lights and sounds, a consequence alarm or pyro trigger etc

Because his parents didn’t go to the papers with sad face ?

One careful rogerborg who has driven it to the church hall twice a week …… for drifting around the car park

Was it Woderwick, or was he weleased before he got the chance to make any final speeches?

It depends on the purpose of the training activity A lot of companies want to sell super special training systems to governments at great expense (and they do) complete with equipment that replicates the real weapons, but to put the lesson in practice they don’t need to use a real looking / real style operating gun. If they want close up activities and the consequence of feeling a bit of pain then paintball delivers that It may have been a conscious decision to use paintball over Airsoft, or it could just be what was easily available

I have not been to Benidorm, don’t and have never lived in the West Midlands but have been out and about there more than once. To my best recollection I had not been involved with any Pauline’s in the 2000s/2010s Honest …… Call it Cardiff, Wiltshire or Dover/Calais ferries the in the 90s to 2000s and I wouldn’t be so sure

We’ve been through worse in the UK Recognise it for what it is - a BB gun, that is not a toy made it’s way into the hands of a child with uncontrolled access Either fraudulently bought, or negligently passed on There may have been responsible access originally but kids do stupid things Keep this case in the back of your mind whenever posts come up asking for tricks to bypass the VCRA, and condemn stupid things that occur

He didn’t shoot people - he facilitated it - Junior arms dealer bringing in guns for his friends to shoot people

Need something a bit more professional …

Spot on. Not a lot of people realise that the police can pick it up and test fire with anything A major win for airsoft when the redefinition was drafted This is the key point - the police, Home Office & Border Force have had a good relationship with the UKPSF and we are reliant on the ‘intention’ of the law and that something doesn’t make it to court, or that dickhead-ism gets prosecuted on other points A change in political view or the wrong case could go very badly None - and worse than that in the old days, Scottish paintball sites were constantly raided for unlicensed section 5 firearms because the definintion of an airgun didn’t cover CO2 This is a term that I very much dislike. It sounds like we are hiding something with secret words I get very hot under the collar when spotty teenagers try to tell me it’s not a ‘paintball gun’ but a ‘marker’ and that I should learn my history because ‘they have always been called markers’ They were ‘paint marking guns’ and ‘paint marking pistols’, which fired paint to actually mark items. We fire a coloured gelatine that rubs off ’Marker’ is very much a PC term that comes from the US in the late 80s/90s to ‘disassociate’ from the gun nuts so that mums will let their kids play ….. and then had bloodthirsty team names

We keep saying “frangible”, but are referring to “lethality” and “lethal barrelled weapon/air weapon” For example first strikes only became ungrey when official testing was paid for and they were fully assessed for “lethality” (First strikes are a half sphere paintball with a plastic ‘fin’ on the back, looking a bit like an airgun pellet

In my opinion - no In the opinion of the quoted barrister consulted by the UKPSF - yes If you were to delete the word ‘airsoft’ from ‘airsoft skirmishing’ then I’d agree Based on the Association of police constables fact finding study and previous correspondence between the UKPSF and the Home Office then I’d agree that there have been musings that it could be argued in court as the intent of the law, where as the literal wording of the statutory instrument wouldn’t

It would be interesting to know what the actual story was as opposed to the version he gave: Someone with a history of ‘airgun offences’ reported a lorries dangerous driving, which resulted in his girlfriend letting CID in the door for a search without a warrant https://p8ntballer-forums.com/threads/paintball-and-the-law.171875/page-7 The original Facebook posts have disappeared, and (though only a basic name search) I’ve not found much other than someone with a similar name who would have been in prison at the time for conspiracy to murder

They generally get listed with options of 7.5, 11 or 16 joules in UK shops depending on model / calibre 16 joules is within the 12 foot pounds limit for air weapons/rifles and therefore will be within the approx 300fps ‘legal” limit for a standard 0.68” paintball, but may or may not exceed the general 280fps chrono limit on sites depending on the gun Both 11 & 16 joules would exceed the air pistol limit if 6 foot pounds, and 7.5 joules would comply Theres then the question that hasn’t been answered in court as to whether the just over 300fps case law covers all paintball - and it has been suggested that a standard paintball gun could be classified as an air pistol

@Speedbird_666 @Rogerborg These Home Defence guns do have the attention of the Home Office & Border Force, and they aren’t entirely happy Recent changes by the UKPSF on their guidelines to retailers are related to the increase in Home Defence designs If appropriate versions are here in the UK with the correct velocity limit and paintballs or first strikes then they are UK legal for paintball But if they are dodgy imports (or modified back to full velocity) then they are airguns and could be subject to deciding whether they are legal or illegal airguns Also irrespective of velocity if they are used with other projectiles then they are heading to the illegal side The only approved projectiles for paintball are classic gelatine balls (which can be in non standard sizes) and First Strike shaped paintballs which were subject to testing a few years ago. First Strike testing was conducted on the 0.68” version, other sizes exist Rubber balls have been used in the past as ‘training paintballs’ (reballs etc). These are not approved for paintball Powder balls get used in the UK for some purposes - I’m seen them used for film special FX and for shooting galleries I’m aware of one event that was considering Powderball, but they were worried about legal implications and the event also never happened. They are not approved for paintball Modified projectiles will generate the interest of the courts Self defence is a right in the UK, but a self defence weapon is an offensive weapon Get one of these found in your bedside table during a search by the police and you will be looking at a prosecution (I have seen this mentioned on forums, possibly also on here) Use of a paintball gun for home defence /self defence is a stupid idea. I play that game for fun, and I enjoy going into the middle of a firefight as a photographer or Marshall getting repeatedly battered. It’s not going to put off a burglar, they either wouldn’t care or would be made grumpy. You would have a better chance of scaring them off by waving the wife’s favourite toy at them They definitely do not belong in an airsoft game. On the chrono range its arguable - on the basis of it being a paintballer chrono checking On reporting to staff they should care or advise that it’s been OKd for testing/chrono checks etc - shrugging it off does not inspire me The Umarex guns are not user adjustable. They are preset by the valve. The full HDR models can also exceed the Americans permitted velocity / power, and a number of reviews ‘advise’ to dry fire a few shots on 12 gram change Law enforcement & home defence versions of paintball guns have existed for many years - In fact a few paintball designs are spin offs from the ‘less than lethal’ models. Typically these have been unrestricted valves marketed as home defence / law enforcement and adjustable restricted valves in paintball energy limits Umarex have come into the market as home defence with a restricted valve option. I’ve said many times how much I dislike airsoft glasses, I’ve seen BBs get in the side and glasses dislodged but these guns don’t belong anywhere near an airsoft game They belong with full face protection and at safe power limits Personally I do have an Umarex .50” revolver as a lockdown purchase, and it came from a reputable Uk retailer. It has never been fired and won’t be used anywhere until I’ve done some proper chrono & range testing

Crime and Security act 2010 covers the storage of air weapons, and creates an offence of a minor gains access to a stored air weapon. (Arguably a legally compliant airsoft gun may have been removed from this when firearms act definition were modified) The legislation requires them to be secured if minors may have access to the property, which could be anything from a locked bag to a gun safe. Police guidance recommended gun safes This was brought in following various cases including deaths of children finding air guns

I’m quite fond of ‘experts’ who state with ‘authority’ that a British Army load out is wrong when on operations you get numerous mixes of uniform & equipment in MTP, multicam, DPM, olive, and issue (let alone 1950 era issue belt on just out of Sandhurst 2nd Lieutenant), QM GPC purchase, PRI purchase, private purchase. Then when not on operation there are all the different regimental dress codes, combat loads, shouty man’s dress code etc When the Army can’t agree on sleeves up/down, shirts (light jacket) tucked in/out etc and the CGS sends out an Army wide order on when up/down applies and that C95 is tucked in but PCS is out - but the Army stiffly disobeys, followed by CGSs new order of “I don’t give a shit whether it’s up/down/in/out, you can have local orders - but be fucking consistent”* * not the officially published wording On topic now ….. Loadout guides appear in some magazines as an article, or also as explicit or less explicit advertising, sometimes as web articles etc and can be aimed at airsoft, reenactment, model making etc They can also be research such as Osprey guides, museums, photos & paintings etc Theres a lot of information out there. The thing that may make a difference is whether you are collating and publishing the information or selling guides Many people will be interested in reading a guide, less would pay for it