Mike636 Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Because when the tabloids pick this up they will whip up 'outrage' that replica guns are on the streets and use this video as am example and so on. As ever the Govt will want to keep the Tabloids on side and be seen to be doing something. Banning weapons is always good for the Tabloids. Hoodies with guns terrorising the locals! Unless it's the Metro or I doubt anyone actually pays attention to the tabloids and if they do, I imagine it's with a grain of salt. In terms of news it's already old and not that interesting tbh. The Sun did an article recently about how easy actual firearms are smuggled into the UK which I imagine is a more pressing issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Ian_Gere Posted November 6, 2013 Supporters Share Posted November 6, 2013 The Sun did an article recently about how easy actual firearms are smuggled into the UK which I imagine is a more pressing issue But that's exactly the point, Mike. There are hundreds of more pressing issues about which the govt can either do fuck all, or can afford to do fuck all, so this is a perfect issue to make a big deal out of to look like they are doing something useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubert Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 With any luck those coppers in the film can be easily identified, so they'll have the area pinpointed. A quick email to YouTube will give them the IP Address from where it was uploaded and there are clear face stills which can be taken from it - photo's posted on the wall in the local nick/s may get them arrested. I hope so. The utter bellends! I wonder if the footage of the cops was something seperate he edited in for effect? If a firearms unit has been called out then it makes it a lot mor eserious I'm not so sure the images of the police would help, as they could be absolutely nothing to do with the film. Best bet would be to check with the uniforms and their cars, and double check if that's what ARV teams look like wherever this was filmed. (For example, in Southwark & Borough, the ARV teams don't look like that). The problem is, I have no idea where this was filmed, it looks so generic, it could be practically any dreary, grey city in the UK. I think the mainstream press would have been all-over an ARV or two being sent out to deal with a "madman shooting at people with a fake gun", considering how they usually react to ARVs being sent to deal with kids playing with toy guns. I haven't heard or seen anything yet, so I'm starting to think that this whole thing could be a very elaborate (but ultimately shit and unfunny) fake-marketing ploy, with everyone shown in the film being in on the "joke". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike636 Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 It was filmed in Essex, the intro was filmed at a place called Mayhem Paintball, Pryors Farm, Patch Park, Abridge, Essex RM4 1AA http://www.mayhem-paintball.co.uk/news Anything in the back ground look familiar ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters NickM Posted November 6, 2013 Supporters Share Posted November 6, 2013 This is one of those face palm moments. Ian I realise you probably didn't feel comfortable going down to your local with that video but it needs to be done! That's what I was meaning when I said Airsofters should be whiter than white, squeakier than squeaky clean. We know the law, and we know when it is being broken. The law should be brought to bare on these dicks, unfortunately it probably wont, although its a pretty easy slam dunk of a case they've provided video of their actions the only issue will be finding those involved and finding the victims although I'm not sure it is necessary for them to press charges as this is clearly an offence. What they think is fun and games is stupid and could end up with someone getting hurt or worse killed. Unfortunately their video simply serves to provide a bad example for everyone. If it is a viral video where everyone is in on the joke ( they were filming it with full knowledge of the police) then unfortunately it has been done in very bad taste. It is so easy for those videos to go totally out of control and many impressionable people wont be trying to find out if it was real or a setup. Even if it is some kind of marketing ploy or something it is still a fantastically bad idea to glorify any of the behaviour of the individuals involved. I wonder if its worth pointing out in the youtube comments which sections of the law they have broken and the penalty they could face for doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Ian_Gere Posted November 6, 2013 Supporters Share Posted November 6, 2013 A few people have mentioned that firearms offences carry a min 5 year prison term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeky vimto Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 What a cock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters NickM Posted November 6, 2013 Supporters Share Posted November 6, 2013 I've spent a little time reading over the VCRA in the hopes of understanding the sentencing, I think 5 years is incorrect for RIF's, but then again I'm not a lawyer and the circular speak is starting to hurt my head. No doubt a prison sentence is mentioned for what he has in the video footage though. What a bunch of fucktards! And a response of but we told them afterwards it was a joke, hmmmmm yeah like that is a valid defence in court. Wish I was on the jury that sits on any trial of the like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Ian_Gere Posted November 6, 2013 Supporters Share Posted November 6, 2013 Yeah Nick, I asked somebody on the yt comments if he thought it would be ok for me to charge at him with my plastic machete (if anyone remembers the pics I put up, it looks real enough that when brandished you'd not know it was plastic quickly enough to avoid brown trousers). He was implying it was ok because firing a paintball gun with no paintballs was like firing a toy gun which just made a noise - well that is rightly an offence too, if you do it in a threatening way. I find it incredible that people can be so short sighted that they believe whatever anyone finds out afterwards makes a difference to the impact of a previous event. I mean forget the simple physics for a moment how about if somebody threatens a person with a syringe full of what appears to be blood, but it later turns out to be a theatrical prop which couldn't even scratch you, let alone contain real blood? By the flawed logic the excuseniks are peddling, that would be alright too... cocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake117 Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Reported/Flagged. Advise all of you do the same. What a cock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Liam Porter Posted November 6, 2013 Supporters Share Posted November 6, 2013 I've spent a little time reading over the VCRA in the hopes of understanding the sentencing, I think 5 years is incorrect for RIF's, but then again I'm not a lawyer and the circular speak is starting to hurt my head. I've seen it said in quite a lot of places that if you use a RIF in a threatening manner in public, it carries the same sentence as if you were to use a real firearm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Ian_Gere Posted November 7, 2013 Supporters Share Posted November 7, 2013 ^^That is correct, Liam. Even before the 2006 VCRA changes, that was the case under the firearms act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oshia Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 What a f***ing retard... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remus Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 like to see if hed be willing to try it over here, see what happens... if he gave someone a heart attack does he think the it was a joke line would save him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Wisdom Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 I just see this as further restrictions. It will only become more and more restrict... Until eventually, they just ban it completely. Would our guns be registered also? If so then there is the saying 'registration leads to confiscation'. Airsoft guns will just be seen as 'guns'. Whether they fire BB's or real cartridges is irrelevant. The Government and General Public will see them as guns and won't make the differentiation. As they did with real steel. Shooting got restricted more and more over the year's. And eventually, once registration became implemented, they were able to know who had guns and where they. And consequently certain disciplines were banned as a knee jerk reaction. The same could happen to Airsoft. This piece of 'legislation' 'idea' or whatever you want to call it. Perhaps some of the idea's may sound quite appealing. Baring in mind this nations history though when it comes to guns. I really do think we shouldn't just sit back and accept it anymore. Actually stand up to this, don't let it pass. It will only get worse. Our history has proven this. Some folk on here are talking as though the Government and Police are in control of this and can just 'ban' them. They can't unless we let them. If we stand up, say no, they aren't having them and put forward a defence for why we won't be handing them in. They can't ban them if there is too many of us standing up. They won't have enough room in all the prisons! Also with massive Airsoft YouTube Channels such as Scoutthedoggie, KeithHPOW, EPICAirsoftHD etc... All of them UK based and with 100's of thousands of subscribers between them and millions of viewer's. I'm sure we can get a petition going and make a good solid defence on this if required... People come abroad to play Airsoft in our nation. That's bringing in tourism! Any restrictions will be felt world wide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainSwoop Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 What percentage of the population are Airsofters who will stand up and make a defense of Airsoft if the Govt wants to ban? What percentage of the population don't care? What percentage of the population will watch a video like this and listen to calls for guns to be banned? Rational defense and argument against the handgun ban after Dunblane had no effect, do you think a few Airsofters and Paintballers trying to justify and defend why they should keep their guns will have any effect if the Govt is persuaded to ban? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Lozart Posted November 7, 2013 Supporters Share Posted November 7, 2013 I tell you what, that guy in the vid has got some stones on him. Pretending to shoot people in south London after dark? Lucky he didn't get himself properly shot by an actual gangster! Anyway, as I mentioned before we're more likely to see this video cause a shit storm about Call of Duty than about RIFs. The media is always looking for an excuse to have a go at video games. Most of the media wouldn't even know what airsoft was if it came round their house and flashbanged them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinobi Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Yeah Nick, I asked somebody on the yt comments if he thought it would be ok for me to charge at him with my plastic machete (if anyone remembers the pics I put up, it looks real enough that when brandished you'd not know it was plastic quickly enough to avoid brown trousers). He was implying it was ok because firing a paintball gun with no paintballs was like firing a toy gun which just made a noise - well that is rightly an offence too, if you do it in a threatening way. I find it incredible that people can be so short sighted that they believe whatever anyone finds out afterwards makes a difference to the impact of a previous event. I mean forget the simple physics for a moment how about if somebody threatens a person with a syringe full of what appears to be blood, but it later turns out to be a theatrical prop which couldn't even scratch you, let alone contain real blood? By the flawed logic the excuseniks are peddling, that would be alright too... cocks. That was you!? :L Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Ian_Gere Posted November 7, 2013 Supporters Share Posted November 7, 2013 That was you!? :L I'd have thought the "TheresOnlyOneIanGere" would've given it away, mate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters NickM Posted November 7, 2013 Supporters Share Posted November 7, 2013 Shinobi both myself an Ian have been posting responses to people who think it is a great idea. Have also reported it to Youtube as illegal activity being glorified. If Ian doesn't get anywhere with the Police himself I know that UKAPU have been made aware of the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Ian_Gere Posted November 7, 2013 Supporters Share Posted November 7, 2013 I was on hold for so long earlier I began to worry about my minutes... back in person 2moz hopefully - it'll depend on mobility. What I mean is that if I'm having to use a stick, I'm not going down to the centre of town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Wisdom Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Swoop. There was no rational defence after Dunblane. I'll tell you when the defence came about. It was after they were banned. And once they are banned, it is too late. These are the words from Sportsmans Association. Nobody believed it would really go through. They all sat on their arses and did nothing. There was no defence. Just like the ban on fullbore semi-automatic rifles in 88. This countries attitude stinks. When a threat comes through and it affects you negatively, you stand up and do something to help prevent that from happening. Just like they did in the Channel Islands. I was in Jersey this summer (and very much looking forward to spending the majority of next year there!) shooting both Handguns and fullbore semi-automatic rifles. The reason they still have those disciplines legal, like the rest of Europe does is because when a threat comes in, they stand up and say no. Jersey has a population of 100,000 residents on the Island. 1/10 people own a gun. The Government over there announced because they had been banned over here. They were going to be banned in Jersey also. Thousands of people blocked the roads wanting to speak to the Government and it worked. Even though that leaves 9/10 people who don't own a gun, therefore it does not affect them and they do not care. These guy's obviously did and they spoke out. It worked. As I said before. With all of these YouTube Channels bringing in Millions of viewer's... Several 100's of thousands of subscribers. If a petition was started in our defence. All you need is 100,000 signatures for it to be discussed by the Government. With all of this media coverage these Channels are getting, it can be easily reached. Organisations such as the Sportsmans Association have to deal with Anti's on a regular basis wanting to ban not only real guns, but also Paintball and Airsoft. They would support and I'm sure many other organisations would too. Retailer's who care more about the sport and our enjoyment than their own profit would do too... Those coming from abroad to play here. I'm sure many world wide will speak out saying they came to the U.K. for the Airsoft on an occasion and enjoy the top quality game play footage that can be seen online. It has happened before. Several years ago now. In California they tried to pass a Bill 'SB798'. This would be bringing in a law stating that all Airsoft guns in California would have to be bright colour's 100%. Everybody would have to have those, no UKARA registered loophole like us or 51% two-tone etc... California is the main exporter of Airsoft guns in the states. Not only that, the sites in my opinion and many other's are incredible. I want to play there myself. If we had allowed to let this Bill to pass. It would have affected the Airsoft sales in the whole of America and for someone like me wanting to play in California. I would no longer want to go... People supported them world wide and that is how the Bill was beaten. Simply sitting back and hoping it won't happen does not work as history proves. Whether we would win if we made a defence, we have no way of knowing right now. But history again does prove that if you atleast do something about it and make a defence, you can beat it, as has been done previously. Don't worry about what the rest of the nation thinks. Just focus on putting your opinions forward, what it is you want and protecting our sport. Lift your bollocks up is the modern phrase now I believe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinobi Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 I'd have thought the "TheresOnlyOneIanGere" would've given it away, mate? Didn't look at the name, just the picture :L Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters NickM Posted November 7, 2013 Supporters Share Posted November 7, 2013 Ian, liking that you are so committed to this, not the mobility thing, didn't realise your health can limit you so much. Hope the stick is a long way off! Hope it never happens for you but should your mobility be limited further check out 0.45 on this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvT6fr_MykY vid (ignore the fact it is paintball!). I'm sure something along the lines could be cobbled together! The GERE's of WAR! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Ian_Gere Posted November 7, 2013 Supporters Share Posted November 7, 2013 ^^LOL, if that's what it takes, that's what it takes... I'll want those tri-wheel things rather than track-laying though. Oh yeah, and a mini-gun running off the submarine battery I'll have powering the bloody thing! I already do have to use a stick fairly frequently. It's a ball ache, especially when I want to carry stuff. Things may be about to change though because I've been referred to pain specialists, so I may finally get some drugs which actually kill the pain and in small enough amounts that my liver doesn't ask for it's P45. The commitment is enlightened self interest, Nick. People like that put our sport/hobby at risk. If nothing is done, later people could say "See? This happened and nobody could do anything. What we need is more law." The truth is that the VCRA has confused the issue - what he did is a crime under the Firearms Act and that is what I want to see the dick prosecuted under. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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