Sneakyduck

Might end up being worse for hpa eh? Well you know the answer if you’ve ever worked with them wouldn’t you😉

Seeing as you guys are unwilling to let it go and seem intent on trying to dirty The Siege Projects good name, here’s a little education tool. I use this to explain why my and many other sites restrict HPA and GBB on site. Contrary to conspiracy theories all we’re trying to do is protect YOU the end user, so without further a-due please read on. 
 
What is the Difference Between Joules & FPS
While both joules and FPS can give an indication of your gun’s power, they are measuring different things. FPS is a measure of velocity, changing relative to the weight of a BB – heavier BBs mean less FPS, but this has no bearing on joules.
So, although the FPS of your gun may change depending on the weight of your BB, the level of kinetic energy (joules) it produces should always remain the same – in theory.
What is Joule Creep?
We say ‘in theory’ because there is something known as ‘joule creep’, which refers to how much air is present to push the BB out of the barrel.
The perfect amount of air in the system ensures your BB leaves the barrel with the right amount of joules and energy. Too little air means your BB stops accelerating before it reaches the end of the barrel, losing potential energy. Too much air means your BB will leave the barrel with the proper joule rating, but you will have excess air in the barrel that gets wasted, potentially destabilising the BB and leading to less accuracy.
Although many AEGs experience minimal joule creep, HPAs and GBBRs can see it happen more commonly.
You can counteract excess air by using heavier BBs. This being said, doing so is often against site rules, as when you chrono at the start, you should be doing so with the system setup you intend to use.
To find out more about using a chronograph to test how powerful your gun is, see our guide, which especially helpful for airsoft newbies.
What is airsoft chronograph? 
It is worth noting that it is possible to fire over the limit without intending to. Again, unlikely for AEG users, but it can be seen for HPA and GBBR players. Changes in the temperature can easily affect the gun’s output, often without the player even realising it.

Ok so you don’t understand the concept joule creep that’s ok.
I’m sorry but your response is beyond logic. You have no understanding of why sites do what they do or are just plain ignorant or as I say again are just looking for an argument. If you can’t be humble enough to take the point and realise these are the site rules then I can’t help you. 

Great, as if one argumentative thread isn't enough lol

So you've had this experience before?
 
Now you're just asking for it.

I think you're being a little disingenuous with your comments but that's fine. you guys keep having a go so I guess I will keep defending myself. You seem to think wanting to be successful is bad, well that's your opinion. I've tried to explain  but you point blank refuse to listen. So as I keep saying you've had your fun, I'm sure there's another poor sap waiting round the corner. I wish you well just please leave out the insults.
My god what is your beef! What are you hoping to gain. Just get on with your life and I will do the same.
I don't have any victims, what on earth are you on about.

Gbbr make less than 1% appearances on site the op is on HPA I’ve said a few times in this thread about gbb please try to keep up.
That’s interesting and and interesting name to describe me. Tell me again how many sites you run? 
As always you fall into personal insults. I’ve answered ALL and I mean ALL  your points. Now please move on to your next victim, please for my sanity. 

Ok so you don’t understand the concept joule creep that’s ok.
I’m sorry but your response is beyond logic. You have no understanding of why sites do what they do or are just plain ignorant or as I say again are just looking for an argument. If you can’t be humble enough to take the point and realise these are the site rules then I can’t help you. 

How exactly have I not answered the question. Have you read the full thread?
All CQB old and young are my market. Everyone is made welcome and everyone gets a good game, whether they are from Stoke or not.
That’s a very strange answer seeing as though you are an avid viewer in my discord page. All information is on there and you know it’s not just about Zombies don’t you as you can see the story lines unfold. As you watch and look at the photos and videos you obviously know about all the love and hard work that’s been poured into the site. Why you were only talking to one or our guys saying about you coming down with 3 others. 
No in actual fact I will be hard at work making sure you’ve had the bast game day ever. Listening to your feedback to make the site even better. You know so that I can open more sites to give you all the game days you deserve, you know that kind of empire. 

I'd say the zombie themed games are usually aimed more towards the stag do or birthday party market and from experience those groups tend to make game days worse rather than better. Combined with an inability to answer simple questions quite frankly I'd rather shit in my hands and clap than give them any money

I've thankfully never had that pleasure, but if I do, I'll watch out for Sneakyduck, no doubt dressed up like a little napoleon, wandering around surveying his empire🤣

I suspect that we are not his target market.  Having spent more time than I care to in Stoke, I hate to think who his target market are.

I find it bizarre that @Sneakyduck wants to build his empire by directly pissing off members of the forum by not answering a very basic question.
 
It's not particularly entertaining, and I certainly won't be going to the site as a result.

On the 26th March we have our try out Tuesday where you bring along someone who’s interested in airsoft but have never took the plunge. I offer half price for both as I see it as a great way to get new blood into the sport. 

It's a shame that we are so prepared for it to fail. This is exactly the kind of thing we, as a sport/hobby, need to get us some positive media attention. Maybe lessons will be learnt for the next one, or we might just be surprised how well run and organised it is! I suspect pigs might fly but it would be nice!

I'm not looking for a reason to moan, I'll be honest & say I have no interest in hpa, feels like a step backwards in airsoft when aeg's can easily achieve the required UK power levels & rate of fire commensurate with the real steel models they're copies of. 
BUT
This forum is well known for not only freedom of speech (within reason), at its core are a lot of members commited to keeping the game going, for decades in some cases.
it also pushes for a positive sensible stance to all aspects of Airsoft in all it's varieties, & keeping their availability to those who want to play. 
While that doesn't necessarily correlate with your weirdly biased stance on hpa, it kinda feels like giving hpa users a lower fps might actually encourage some to try to cheat the system, if for example, they're playing your site but they're playing shite, will they blame it on your lower power requirements, & then fiddle with their kit to match, or even scarily surpass those limits. 
Personally, if I found myself in your position & mindset, I'd be more inclined to exclude hpa entirely if I felt some couldn't be trusted to adhere to the rules. 
So while you may have felt this is a personal attack, it's more a criticism of the information provided & how it's provided, if that makes sense. 

Incredible. 😅



 

300 on .28s is over 350.  Even if only a few FPS but breaks their rule.
 
That is unless due to their non discovery of punctuation, the site has a .28 limit and HPA is limited to 300 on 0.2?

Unfortunately, most people don't understand what joule creep is, how FPS and joule output actually relate, or even what voluming is. 'Tis unfortunately likely that the folks running the field know very little about the mechanics of the RIFs themselves, regardless of how well they run the site. At my local field, I'm perhaps the only player who understands the basics of airsoft mechanics. The refs are well-meaning but clueless. When applicable I try to explain things to help educate folks, but it matters not.
 
To put it very, very simply; joule output on a certain BB weight is exactly the same regardless of the propellant. As soon as the BB leaves the barrel, HPA is indistinguishable from AEG or GBBR or even spring. Different BB weights do affect how much power is transferred to the target as heavier weights retain more velocity over distance. Lowering the limit for a certain propulsion method does not level the playing field in any way.
 
As long as the rules are abided by, why does it matter what he wants to do? Besides, without knowing the BB weight and distance it's impossible to actually know how much force will be transferred. Set an MED and a joule limit and stick with it!

That's what I thought. Mind you I'd like to know their reasoning behind the lower limit for HPA as joules are joules, no matter what the mechanism powering it.
 
Staffordshire Militaria list Sierra 2 Airsoft as a partner on their website so I'd say yes. Why should they be avoided?

The Dyslexic in me made sense of it straight away - perhaps the responder has a similarly operating mind.
 
Yes it should have been clearer, but it's hardly Apple Corp or Tesco type organisations we're dealing with.  Mind you, I spot typo's in all sorts of website sites and publications.  Hell, I sent a letter from my son's school back with red marks on the errors with a post-it saying that we should expect better from a Grade 1 Ofsted listed school.   I wasn't very popular. 😁