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Thanks for the reply. For me, TM pistols are best left alone. I am not interested in sourcing metal slides for them. They were designed for optimal performance with plastic slides and low powered gas, and as such, they work better than most metal pistols will ever do. Yes, metal slides feel more realistic, but Marui at least manage to produce plastic slides that look very good. I would rather have Japanese quality over Chinese realism.

I know the E2 version is supposed to be better but I have always preferred the old stule grips. I know it is an old model but it was popular in its day. I'm not really bothered about larger blow back units, and I am not expecting the performance of say an FXNX45 or a HK USP, but I just wondered if it still perfectly usable. I don't know if the slide is reinforced were it contacts the slide stop on the frame. That is the one thing that I would find unacceptable.

Thanks for all the replies. No love for the WE Sigs, I assume.

Thanks for the reply. Yes, I have considered the V10 but was put off a bit by the low gas capacity. I am leaning more to the HK USP Compact at the moment. I know the Glock 19 is a more recent gun than the HK but is really that much better?

I like the look of VFC pistols but have always avoided buying them, because of the problems they run into and the lack of parts support, although the HK45 CT might one day tempt me. I never skirmish my pistols and only use them at home occasionally, so maybe I am wrong to discount them. How quickly can they go wrong? I generally buy only TM or WE. Yes, WE are poor on quality control but they have good parts backup and can be fixed. And if you are more of a collector of pistols, like me, it's sometimes nice to have something more realistic than a plastic TM. I do like Maruis though and have several. Since I am looking for a compact (as opposed to sub-compact) pistol the guns that have interested me are: TM Glock 19 TM HK USP Compact WE Glock 19 - generally solid WE XDM40 3.8 which gets better reviews than the full sized one WE Sig P228 but it is all metal and I have come to prefer the feel of polymer frames WE Sig F18 I imagine I will go for a TM in the end, for peace of mind, but just wondered what others would think.

I assume those extra couple of millimeters on the baseplate prevent the mag from going in far enough to click. in place. Of course Guarder frames will vary slightly in dimensions as all mass produced things do, and just because I had this problem it doesn't mean that others will too.

Just an update for anyone who is interested or runs into the same problem I had. The Spring under the front chassis just needed stretching a bit, as Rocketdogbert suggested. As for the magazine issue, the TM Glock mags have a slightly thicker baseplate than the WE ones - only a couple of millimetres different but enough to make a difference on a Guarder frame. If I replace a TM baseplate on the TM mag with a WE baseplate , it works fine. Of course an alternative would be to sand down the TM baseplate, but the WE ones are cheap enough to pick up.

Thanks.

Just an update. I have withdrawn the gun from sale and told him that he was too late in giving me his details. According to what he has told me, I have no right to check them anyway. He has said he will give me a negative feedback report, and that he will make an enquiry with the information commissioner to verify that I have "lawfully" - I assume he means unlawfully - obtained access to the UKARA database. I have just checked and he has indeed given me a rotten feedback. He claims he has the transcript that will justify his complaint. So do I.

Thanks. They look very nice. I think you are right. At least with Prime and Nova, you are getting peace of mind.

Thanks. It is true that somebody could send me a photo of him skirmishing with a rif, but if I had never met him and didn't know what he looked like, how would I know it was him?

Thanks for the replies. Yes, come to think of it, he has already given me the information: his name, postcode and UKARA number. I haven't requested personal information - merely asked for verification of it. I think I will withdraw it from sale. I am not so desperate for the money. Thanks again.

A would be buyer gave me what he thought was his UKARA number. He seemed to think that it wasn't necessary and the site he played at and was a marshal for, could vouch for him. He also said that I could check his site feedback or Linkedin page. I responded that word of mouth from somebody you don't know meant nothing. And how could I check anything if he hadn't given me his name? I asked him to supply his name and postcode. He sent me a photo of a metal tag with the information. However I had difficulty reading it. In any case I told him that a photo was not necessarily proof of anything. All I wanted him to do was give me his name, postcode and UKARA number. He messaged me 12 times over a period of seven days and only in the last message typed out all three of his details. The UKARA number he originally gave me, which he said he thought he could remember, was close but not the correct one. He later corrected it. So far, so good. When he learned that I intended to check details with a retailer, he told me that anyone providing me with information that an UKARA number had expired would be breaking the law. Apparently it would be a breach of the General Data Protection Regulation. Since he is a former police officer and has also worked as a para legal, I am not sure how to respond. He believes I don't understand the law, and he may be right. Quite frankly the whole business has put me off selling. I have seriously considered just keeping the gun. Would anyone care to comment?

I managed to get it up and running. The only remaining problem is that it won't hold a TM Glock 22 mag. Even if I hold the mag and push it up tight when shooting, it just blows out all the gas. So I have decided to use it with a couple of my WE mags with 144a. I wonder if the original TM Glock 17 gen 3 mags without the metal reinforced mag release would work. However they aren't easy to find these days. Irony is that I can use my TM Glock 22 in my WE Glocks, though as rocketdogbert says, they don't provide the best seal. Might just have to buy another TM Glock and keep it stock. Then I will have two mags for it. Your gun looks great by the way. Love Gen 2 frames.

Thanks for the suggestion. I'll give that a try. Do you happen to know if a Nine Ball gas router for a TM Glock mag will fit a WE Glock mag. Is it really worth changing the router from WE to TM type for a pistol that will only occasionally be used for plinking in the garden?

Thanks again. I doubt it would be possible to put the TM serial plate in the Gen 2 frame. It tapers quite a bit. The Gen 2 has always been my favourite Glock and Guarder is the only manufacturer that makes a Gen 2 frame. I'm not keen on pistols with rails for lights. I prefer the cleaner lines of those without, which is a nuisance since so many come with rails these days. I don't skirmish with pistols so I don't really have a need for a rail.

Thanks again. I am using the Guarder serial plate without the tag plate accessory in a Guarder Gen 2 frame. I thought that if they supplied the tag without the attachment, it wouldn't need it in a Guarder frame. But I am coming to the conclusion that the tag plate is the problem. There isn't enough material below the take down spring to tension it and push the lever up. Thanks again mate. Wondering if I should have purchased a new serial tag set from Fire Support but then I saw this warning. https://www.fire-support.co.uk/product/guarder-series-notag-set-for-marui-g23-early-type So the Gen 2 frame takes the serial plate only, and not the other attachment which is for Gen 3 frames. When I get round to opening it up again, I will try to shim under the chassis to put some pressure on the spring.

Here, I hope is a better picture of the recoil spring. This is the way it came in a brand new Glock 22 which I purchased two weeks ago. It seems to work but clearly doesn't lie well on the guide rod. Is it really supposed to look like this? How do I get the spring off the guide rod? Which end comes off? And does it pull off or screw off. And why is there a flat indentation on the rod itself? Would appreciate an explanation. And thanks by the way, for your help.

The one which came with the Guarder frame. The spring below the takedown lever doesn't have the strength to keep the lever up. Do you think using the TM base plate/sliding safety might be the way to go? Or is there another way to go. At the moment the lever is just loose in its two slots. I have been trying to download some better pictures but I always have trouble reformatting them from my wife's iphone. The one of the recoil spring does not really show how much it is kinked. So I'll try to download another.

I replaced all the internals in the TM frame and the gun functioned. So I don't believe I didn't assemble the gun correctly. I then put them back into the Guarder frame. Same problems re loose takedown lever (though it works) and mag not connecting but falling out of grip. However I made an interesting discovery; I put a WE Glock mag in the gun and it worked. I then put the TM mag into a WE Glock and that worked too. So it would appear the Guarder does not like the Glock 22 mag with two cut outs and a metal reinforcement. It just doesn't seem to fit. So, if necessary I will change the gas routers on a couple of my WE mags. Does Laylax make one that fits the TM bbu?

Thanks for the reply. I'll post some pictures tomorrow.

It's the Gen 2 one which I have fitted to a TM Glock 22. I just swapped over the internals from the frame and will be running the TM upper stock. Managed to get it done, but there were three problems: 1. The takedown lever isn't a good fit. I is loose and goes up on one side and down on the other. Will a Guarder takedown lever fix this? 2 The slide went on to the frame but not as well as I would have liked. I removed everything and sanded down the top of the frame to get it straight. Problem fixed. 3 The mag will not stay in position. I put it in, and it immediately slips out. It could be that the mag release spring isn't strong enough, but it seems fine to me. It works well enough on the TM frame. It seems to me that the whole internal dimension of the Guarder grip is too big. I suppose the only way to deal with that is to pad it will a couple of thin strips of plastic. 4 Unrelated to the Guarder frame I notice that my TM recoil spring is unlike any I have seen before. The coils are not all of the same diameter, which makes the spring look kinked. Is this normal? 5 And finally the most serious problem; when I press the trigger with a gassed up mag in, holding the mag so it doesn't drop out, the slide goes back only partially and all the gas escapes from the mag. I assume this is because the mag is not making proper contact with the bbu in the slide. But what do I know?. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Some of these problems might be related. Apart from them, the gun functions normally. If I put an empty mag in and rack the slide it locks back. If I use the sling shot method to release the slide it works. I love the Gen 2 frame and would like to make it work. Trigger and hammer seem to work as one would expect. If necessary I will keep the gun as a display piece. Bit of a waste though, so I am hoping I can fix it.

Thanks.

Thanks Stew.