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This is a thing that I use when airsoft or paintball get referred to as expensive to play (alongside the tangent that I will take when someone has spent so much on equipment but complains about the cost of a day or weekend) Cost up entry plus consumables to shoot apply that to a whole day and the ratio of ‘£ per minute of fun’ turns into a bargain up against other days out

Archery is a thing here One of my ‘gun’ cases is an exes archery case As usual it’s a thing that can cost as much as you’re willing to pay & take up as much time as you are willing to put in Board gaming does seem to be quite a thing I go to comicons with friends who trade at them and one of the event series is primarily a gaming event - which covers anything from general board games & table top gaming to arcade machines It also means that I spot things such as ‘gaming cafes’ and ‘gaming bars’ popping up in places - sit at a table buying drinks and playing board games or card games

(((( Just a clarification following from a PM )))) My post is being pedantic about the final compressed air in the piston An AEG airsoft gun compresses air while you operate it An HPA airsoft gun is provided with pre-compressed air from the external HPA cylinder

Just to add to the mix AEG airsoft guns use HPA to propel the ball The electric motor etc compresses some air in a piston - at the operating pressure of the piston, and the piston then propels the BB An HPA airsoft gun takes a high pressure cylinder which can hold up to 3000psi/4500psi and outputs via its own regulator of something hundred PSI, then via an inline regulator drops to a lower operating pressure which then feeds the piston All of these points with pressurised air are a level of high pressure air

They are factually correct …..

You are in the presence of an international male model & TV star …… A former new girlfriend was being grilled by her sister about me

As above: You as seller are responsible for sales. A buyer of an IF/RIF airsoft gun must be aged 18 An IF is defined under the VCRA -( and yours does not meet that description.) You would need to paint it a bright colour, then could sell to any adult Yours is a RIF. It’s ‘realistic’, therefore the VCRA legislation applies to sales and you could face a large fine etc if you sold irresponsibly. You are required to reasonably verify the buyers intent to use the RIF to play airsoft skirmishing on insured sites - the standard method is the buyer can show that they are UKARA registered (that they went to the effort of documenting 3 games across a set period of time Browse around the forum and interact as mentioned and you’ll get a fair idea of the needs In addition to airsoft there are a couple of other valid uses such as reenactment, museums and film making - but beware of made up defences

In this video there are what were the 3 common chronos in paintball back in the day: Big red - professional site chrono …. Turn it on, shoot over it and it’s tough for bad aim Little yellow - my first personal chrono. A bit of a pain as you have to press the button and then reset each shot. But it did the job Grey X radar - my second personal chrono. No need to keep resetting, just hold the button and shoot as much as you like A site version was/is also available, which you just turn on and can be mounted on a tripod or stand But now I’ll use a Virtue Clock, which is point and shoot (it’s possible to chrono someone from a bit of a distance - which may not be the most accurate method but handy for marshalling in game before approaching to make a spot check)

It’s also dependant on what chronograph you have access to and it’s capabilities If it’s a chamber / tube style that you shoot though then it would be ‘very carefully’ If it’s one that your shoot over then that’s much easier If you have to hold a button then many hands are required (unless you can tape it down), if it can be switched on and fired over without touching then it can be used with ease

A thing to try would be to test mount it to your belt with elastic bands / tape / straps. It’s doable to horizontally mount a bottle, but it could be intrusive. If it is compact such as a 13ci then it could be doable in the right spot Back in the day I wanted a horizontal mounted bottle pouch on my vest, but at the time only vertical mounts were available and only limited options For the type/size/colour I wanted there was only a drop leg vertical pouch (based on a drop leg holster) So I bought that and cut it up, sewed on some MOLLE straps and then put it on the back of my vest across the shoulders Anything lower would umcomfortably cut into my back For a belt consider if you are going to lie down, sit down etc and whether the back of the belt is suitable - probably the longest ‘straight’ area of your waist, but uncomfortable to sit on a seat Slightly to one side might work Try just strapping a bottle to your belt in a few positions and see how it feels.

They do exist. Its probably cost and that they need to be made well with ‘proper’ metal as the stock is hollow. https://youtu.be/rjYn2L1FsKY

I used a pistol HPA setup for some games with a 13ci in a belt pouch. It was a generic pouch and I cut a hole in the top to close it over the regulator. These can also be marketed as water bottle pouches or as ‘dedicated’ pouches available for 13ci & 48ci cylinders (often a general pouch with cross straps to tighten them, and there are also those which are just a grid of webbing straps Pay close attention to specific pouches for what kind of loop/straps are on the back, MOLLE straps can be used to set as a belt loop, but a horizontal pouch will be awkward on a belt

Guns are an essential. It’s then a matter of which guns will suit them (and a sidearm isn’t essential to all players, so depends on site rules such as close up and if they will really switch rather than just end up carrying extra weight : G&G CM16 Raider (+NiMH battery) WE EU27 pistol (+ 2 additional magazines) Charger They ultimately will need BBs, but do they need a starting bulk 15000? Presumably it’s a suitable brand weight that they will use with those guns. But in their package purchase it’s a consumable rather than added value: About 15,000 bb's Are the optics relevant to them? Will they actually use them? Would they choose and use that type/brand/magnification ? Optics Luggage is an essential, hard cases are better than bags, but dedicated cases can also end up meaning that you carry more separate things and find that you need a case for each gun plus a bag for the rest. Are they wanted / needed / desired one day ? Hard Pistol case Hard carry case (100cm) A vest seems essential, something is needed to carry things in game. But will it be one they would choose/use, or one that they will take from the bundle just because it’s included ? Carrier vest Gloves are a wise thing to have and take care of fingers - but would they choose them and very importantly will they fit? Gloves Eye protection is essential. But even though I have numerous sets of goggles, including multiple sets of the same goggles in different colours (even a set in an obscure colour mix that I bought new and still painted for photography & marshaling) There was a point in time that ‘last seasons’ colour schemes went on sale and were the same as or cheaper than new lenses But they don’t need two to start with. Are they ones that they would choose ? Are they in decent condiition? (Lens, straps where applicable Full face masks (x2) In a bundle, to the buyer anything that they would not choose to buy separately has a value of nothing Anything the buyer would use today and replace shortly has some value, but diverts money from what they could be spending on something more preferred People may not be too keen in airsoft, and full face is often for only those under 18 who are required to wear them before going for smaller glasses etc …… But (especially with my background, accompanied by seeing BBs pass peoples ‘eye protection’) …… I recommend paintball goggles, or at least ski mask style goggles Good but entry level paintball goggles cost in the region of £20 - £30 ‘Premium’ paintball goggles can be had for £60 to £100 (and of course more) They need to be tried on to see how the fit is for anyone’s individual head. I have some Valkn/Annex goggles which are the most basic plastic which I bought only for the colour scheme - they fit my head perfectly and are very confortable My preferred goggles are VForce Grills which are a ‘premium’ and I have many sets, others have come out fetching higher prices but don’t suit my head as well (there’s one other that fits me like a glove, but made it to prototype only so are not an option)

@AirSniper If you want all of the stuff then offer what you’re willing to pay If not then don’t. He has the choice to sell partially or as a whole A bundle is handy for a starter, but it’s never what they really want - like @tackle said - it’s a few ancilllary items that you may or may not use, potentially could sell or pass on items But most of these things in bundles end up in the bottom of a bag or back of a cupboard

Cue next thread drift….? Is there a standard in airsoft eye protection? Lens impact protection - yes Under 18s full face protection - yes On top of that - any adult can wear any style of glasses provided they are impact compliant. Hands up everyone who has seen a BB end up inside the eye area of airsof glasses

Absolutely (edit …. I’ve read your interims but will still stick to back slapping each other with ‘absolutely a’ There is no one set of rules in paintball. We have had the UKSPC (scenario paintball community) which is very much forgotten and I ran the first UKSPC compliant event, my rulesets were already in that ball park, and every event since has had them as the core ruleset Even a few years ago an international tournament set the single tournament world ruleset - which had US rules and rest of world rules. (But it was by one US company so everyone got upset in the US) What does matter is where you have highlighted: Standards The basic safety standards, best practice, and complying with the law It was paintballs standards that enabled UKPSF member sites to be recognised under the ministry announcement, Sport England endorsement and then a member site had the processes and paperwork to get clearance from their local council

In the context of the UKAPU, airsoft needs something to represent it. The ABA represented industry and brought in the UKARA But that represents retailers and sites, with player membership Does it or does it not represent the player? Which is where the UKAPU and perhaps others come in In paintball the UKPSF represents all, but has a very long history that precedes the UKPSF, with the original UK body morphing into the European body and the UKPSF becoming a stand-alone - back then it was all one man Active player membership has expanded, and now ticks the box on membership with Sport England (Note that free membership didn’t qualify, but it was a steppingstone along the way) Irrespective of what the UKAPU does or doesn’t do and how it is or isn’t recognised, it is something - and the attention it gets from players on threads like this does help the conversation and motivation

The direction to take with MPs is not about a game of shooting people with gun like things. But if businesses in the recreational sports sector are the tactic then that’s what gets more positive support among MPs Paintball isn’t registered / recognised as a sport …… but Sport England did recognise it as meeting the criteria for reopening during covid. Key to that was the UKPSF as a recognised body, and being known to Sport England - they are not pursuing sports recognition to be in the Olympics etc, but for other benefits and support from Sport England (and other UK sports bodies) and that it brings recognition with local councils etc

It needs to be: UK legal on the power (joules …. But measured via velocity FPS and BB weight) Then either an IF or a RiF with a defence IF = over 50% of the body in one of the appointed bright colours RIF = you need to be recognised that your purpose on import is for it to be used for airsoft skirmishing They expect UKARA, but you may or may not get through via your current status

….. and another type at a Mall doorway: the faction leaders who wave at each other through the shop window to have an ‘alliance chat’, and the one who puts his gun down to stroll into the shop door Then gets shot in the top of the head as he ducks below the line of fire, but the shooter at the doorway decides to shoot the unarmed man strolling in * The opposing faction leader then apologizes “Sorry, I haven’t told him not to shoot you yet” and then distract players in the repeated afternoon safety brief with the blood dripping from my head …… “excuse me marshall, that guys head is bleeding” * correct action strictly speaking which I cater for in my own event rules - if you don’t have your hand up then you’re a live player, and could be doing a sneaky move

Definatley …… and is a headache for the UKPSF I have a couple of Umarex pistols myself, which are variants of the home defence types but they are UK legal and are used with paintballs not dodgy projectiles (purchased from reputable UK paintball retailers as opposed to grey imports) These things are bringing the attention of VCRA/RIFs to paintball again, and we’re relying on a good Home Office / police relationship with the UKPSF Read the letter of the law and I do have pre 2007 paintball RIFs of which possession is fine, plus post 2007 RIFs which could technically be a problem to retailers who sold them to me (and private sellers) These are known issues which the UKPSF highlights & looks to protect the game

I don’t think that you’re going to be finding a variety of shops to get into within a day. The market is small I can recommend Super5ives (bearing in mind that I know the owner, and I also am partially to blame for encouraging some of his business decisions) Their warehouse / shop is in Fareham which should be around 2 hours from you https://shop.super5ives.com/shop/category/16-airsoft.p1.html Otherwise I’d be pointing north with 3 or more hours of driving Apparantly there’s an airsoft shop in Northampton, I have no knowledge of the place and it looks to a degree like an army surplus place which will have some airsoft https://www.airsoftcellar.com There is a retailer list on here, but do take care in ensuring that they are still in business and actually have a shop to go to before committing a trip

Euan89 Euan Davidson 33 years old He hasn’t had this years birthday yet? On the very likely situation that this is the same case, the UKPSFs player AGM recently went into more details on why they have brought in their change of stance on paintball and the VCRA (highlighted in last years player AGM The import of home defence types of paintball guns, exceeding UK power limits and non paintball projectiles is coming to the attention of the UKPSF with all the relevant authorities clarifying specifics There are UK legal ones and non legal ones It would appear that Euans lawyer has given good advice and secured a lesser problem for Euan

That’s a key point - but speedsoft is a style of airsoft Its up to sites as to what they have in their games. A Milsim should not include speedsoft - but that does not exclude someone from being light and nimble. (There was a real life battle case where a soldier (marine?) dropped his large pack and ran in and out through gunfire ….. speed-fighter) If a skirmish site primarily runs a regular a local game for local players then the mix of players will be the locals, and they could be a mix of milsilms, dressing up, recreational fun, stacked up queues on the corner, speedsofters etc