S/H guns at full price plus

[novioman]

Keep seeing adverts on the forum for “Brand New Guns” often at full or even more than the retail price from dealers. A s/h gun can be as new, but it’s not brand new because the seller purchased it, it’s therefore s/h. Unless of course the seller is actually a dealer then it should come with warranty, able to be returned under distance selling rules etc. And I am not sure that dealers are even allowed to use the sales section on here. 

[Tackle]

3 minutes ago, novioman said:

 And I am not sure that dealers are even allowed to use the sales section on here. 

You're correct, they're not allowed here, in fact anyone who's found to be repeatedly selling new stuff, say purchased cheaply on Aliexpress & then immediately posting it here at a higher price is quickly banned.

That's not to say that members can't ask whatever they want for items, or claim they're "new", but they need to be aware that they'll usually be quickly outed on threads such as Macks, or even on their own sales ads in the comments section, as you've pointed out, technically nothing sold here can claim new status if it's not accompanied by a full warranty & all it entails.

All we do ask is that if your going to post on someone else's ad, please be polite, be constructive & maybe share a valid link to show their price is overly optimistic. 

If their response is negative,  feel free to rip the 💩 out of them on Macks 🤣.

 

 

[Asomodai]

1 hour ago, Tackle said:

You're correct, they're not allowed here, in fact anyone who's found to be repeatedly selling new stuff, say purchased cheaply on Aliexpress & then immediately posting it here at a higher price is quickly banned.

That's not to say that members can't ask whatever they want for items, or claim they're "new", but they need to be aware that they'll usually be quickly outed on threads such as Macks, or even on their own sales ads in the comments section, as you've pointed out, technically nothing sold here can claim new status if it's not accompanied by a full warranty & all it entails.

All we do ask is that if your going to post on someone else's ad, please be polite, be constructive & maybe share a valid link to show their price is overly optimistic. 

If their response is negative,  feel free to rip the 💩 out of them on Macks 🤣.

 

 

 

 

So in my example of an ICS SIg 551 MRS where I bought it as New Old Stock and in basic testing I found it to be firing hot, the hop rubber had perished and I had to Model and 3D print in steel a proprietary part. Would this still not be considered "As New"? 

 

When selling stuff, you only get a "As New" and "Used" Option.  "As new" by dictionary default is not Brand New, but it's closer to "Like New". 

 

So no warranty can be implied by "As New". 



 

[Tackle]

4 hours ago, Asomodai said:

 

 

So in my example of an ICS SIg 551 MRS where I bought it as New Old Stock and in basic testing I found it to be firing hot, the hop rubber had perished and I had to Model and 3D print in steel a proprietary part. Would this still not be considered "As New"? 

 

When selling stuff, you only get a "As New" and "Used" Option.  "As new" by dictionary default is not Brand New, but it's closer to "Like New". 

 

So no warranty can be implied by "As New". 



 

My understanding of the options:

As New = unmarked, stock, no visible signs of use.

Used = working but visible signs of wear & tear.

 

Obviously anybody can claim something is brand spanking new, never fired, but as with most things in airsoft, including gameplay, everything is based on trust.

& if we can't trust players to take their hits, what hope have we got that they'll be more honest in their financial dealings.

So claims of new must be taken with a pinch of salt, only pay what you think something is genuinely worth, & always use a protected payment system.

 

As for what your selling Rob, goes without saying that you're one of the core of members who has exceptional, often rare kit, that is meticulously looked after, so if you say it's as new, then it definitely is.

[Galvatron]

2 hours ago, Tackle said:

Obviously anybody can claim something is brand spanking new, never fired....

 

 

I always take that claim with a pinch of salt regardless of who makes it. Just because the seller didn't fire it, that doesn't mean a QA technician in the factory, distributor, retailer, prospective customer in the shop, etc, didn't fire it to make sure the gun worked, do a test fire to see if they liked it or to see it was within legal limits for example. I assume it had been fired a few times before at some point between being manufactured and landing in the hands of the seller.

 

At least 3 of my guns have test fire cards/sheets in the box so I know the "never fired" claim is untrue anyway.

[Rogerborg]

Caveat emptor ubes alles.  Every transaction here is consensual, and some people are clearly happy paying a premium for not having to do even a few minutes of research.  Folk are funny like that.

 

Speaking of funny though, it might be a laugh to add Google and/or https://www.airsoftdb.com/ searches or links to ads, based on the title.  

[Cannonfodder]

I always assume a claim of never fired isn't 100% true, more like test fired only.

 

The way I see it any seller is free to make whatever grandiose claims and set what price the want, but equally everyone else is free to call them out too.

[novioman]

1 hour ago, Cannonfodder said:

I always assume a claim of never fired isn't 100% true, more like test fired only.

 

The way I see it any seller is free to make whatever grandiose claims and set what price the want, but equally everyone else is free to call them out too.

That’s the way I see it, it’s just the people who buy without checking prices you feel sorry for, but I suppose it’s down to them in the end.