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Had a dissapointing session with my MWS on Saturday. Temperature was about 10 degrees celsius (night game). Mags were gassed up and weighed 476 grams each ( with a cut down magpul on it. I filled and weighed before attending the site). Go to confirm hop, red dot zero etc at the chrono and struggled to get the 35 bbs out of each one, felt super sluggish. Gas was ultra air. All mags are gen 3 and the issue was consistent across all mags. Only gas available onsite with a plastic nozzle was abbey green 144a and it was even worse. didn't chrono as it's performance was so terrible I wouldn't and couldn't field that. MWS is pretty much internally stock, 2 modifications for internals is the supersix nub and some 10 pence pieces in the buffer to prevent bolt over travel and "tighten" up the charging handle (as per olly talks airsoft). Barrel, hop unit, bolt etc is all stock mws. Going to try abbey red gas - any other ideas?

Welcome to the sport! You can find good deals on here, however there are plenty of not so great deals and some pretty awful "deals" as well, though the Mack's thread is pretty good at calling them out. My advice would be to not buy something someone has upgraded. whether upgrades are good or not is largely based on how good the quality of the workmanship and most people aren't as good as they think.

Depends on the RIF in question, some are expensive because they're rare, some because they are good. I always see that these rifs, kit etc are there to be enjoyed and if you aren't getting the maximum amount of enjoyment out of them.....why bother? To some that will be keeping them as a collectors piece and to others fielding them. If they are just wall hangers.....do they need to work or just look pretty?

Great question but it will give you a range of answers. Typically people (airsofters included) will tell you to get what they have got, ultimately they have made their purchases based on the circumstances and what is most important to them. Be warned I am a TM fanboy. A TM MP7 is almost certainly one of the easiest and best gas guns to run, I wouldn't normally recommend it as a first purchase but as you have it they are considered great. You have just come out of the winter period and winter (cold) will always be the struggle time for any gas system, though the TM MP7 is probably one of the few guns that can handle it, I reckon in the coming months it will really shine. I'd recommend holding onto it for now, it's a fantastic RIF that will keep on trucking. TM NGRS are and can be extremely reliable, without upgrades they'll last ages and do a fine job. They are one of the few AEGs (battery powered) that have features such as the bolt stop (DAS GBLS do as well, as do a couple of others but I don't know them). They don't need upgrading and initially I'd recommend you don't upgrade or if you must, do a minimal amount. Often upgrades make very little real difference, cost a fortune and done by the wrong people can make a RIF worse. Camoraids are one of the few NGRS specialists and if they weren't so expensive someone I'd probably use (too tight, do it myself), I have heard of camo raid upgraded guns going down and the warranty service has been great. Think of it like a car, a standard car such as a ford focus will go for ages without breaking down, a specialist race car squeezing every ounce of performance will require more maintenance and is likely to break more often. An NGRS with a slightly upgraded spring, maybe a tighter bore barrel will beef up the fps a bit and not push the performance too much. FPS doesn't equal range, but I find it can be the difference in people feeling hits.....or not. You will be able to get similar performance, possibly even slightly better in some terms, from a standard AEG of a more modern design (Such as the Specnas or the VFC Avalon range) that come with a mosfet pre fitted for less money. However my feeling is that I have owned my TM NGRS's for around 10 years now and they are still some of the best performers on the field, they have had an upgrade here and a fix there, but they are the same base gun. From what I have seen some other AEGs lose their performance and then struggle to get it back so I think they are a great investment. Something else to think about is what do you like the look of? Performance isn't everything. The sport is to have fun and enjoy the experience and I can do that with an NGRS M4, some people love their weird and random RIFS. Could the saving be spent on other things that will bring you more fun (such as wine and women)? If I had to buy everything again from scratch, a TM NGRS would be one of the first things I bought and a TM MP7 or MWS wouldn't be far behind it. I wouldn't get a standard AEG at all.

This looks relevant for the conversation. I am not a legal expert by any means. Good luck and hopefully the over zealous coppers don't pursue it too far, they are already very keen to crack down on all forms of legal firearms ownership.

I have owned one previously (not anymore) and I am pretty sure it is molded like that, I could be wrong as it has been a few years. If you're looking for extra battery capacity I'd recommend either a sopmod style crane stock (not ngrs specific) and run a crane stock battery, there is a 2600mah splot crane stock battery (7.4 lipo) that fits or look at the titan range of batteries, they seem to have a tonne of Mah in a smaller physical size than any other battery and pick a stock accordingly. If it's that you like the vltor style, then I have no recommendations.

Did you buy it second hand or from a shop? As its for an NGRS it is from the CQBR line, this line of NGRS has it's own range of (rubbish) batteries that most people get rid of and use lipos. Some people convert the stock and some people just get rid of the propriatory connection and add a deans connector to the end of the stock tube. What this means is that the stock isn't like the real version, it's designed to take the special batteries for the NGRS range which are fixed, solid things. Here is a link to the battery. They are generally considered as awful and I would not recommend buying it. https://www.fire-support.co.uk/product/tokyo-marui-84v-1300mah-battery-for-recoil-sopmod-m4cqbr416devgru417 I don't know how the real version works, but the sides that you referenced shouldn't come off the ngrs version and any seller would be within their rights to say, " I listed it as an NGRS stock and thats what it is, if you assumed it could do something else that's not my fault". If you bought it from a shop you should have some cover from the distance selling regs (assuming you bought online). What are you trying to achieve?

I have gen 3 mags and have had a bunch of trouble gassing them up. So far I have only been successful with ultra air (which hasn't seemed great, gets me through a mag, maybe a mag and a half but not the amazing number of shots some users get) and abbey 144a gas. I have heard the thing about gen 3 mags having valves that don't like higher pressure but suspect it's the same source that @KirbyHCI has seen it (some random youtube video), but I haven't been able to say with certainty whether it's the gas or the nozzle on the gas canisters that is the issue. I am really hoping it's the nozzles not fitting and finding the "right" one will solve my issues. So far i have tried nuprol (some got in), propane adapter (none got in), Ultra Air (acceptable enough results) and Abbey 144a. Makes me apprhensive about using it in the cold though. I have tried purging my mags, but as I am not 100% sure of the issue, not sure if they have actually purged. I have also watched the ollytalks airsoft youtube video about the mag tilt and spoken with other more experienced gbbr users onsite about gassing mags, getting tips etc.

From what I understood, one of the "nice" things about movies using airsoft guns is they don't need a qualified armourer on set, (who generally work as contractors so charge high prices) but when they use real firearms with blanks they do and so it's much more expensive. Reads like free advertising off the rust incident plus turning a "we did it the cheap method" to a "we took the morally superior high ground, so cut us some slack if you spot 6mm written on the guns". Both are pretty poor from a taste point of view.

This! Most "upgrades" cock up a well engineered rif. Use it, decide what and if you think the RIF is lacking. It's very easy to focus on "upgrades" that actually make your RIF worse. How does your RIF compare in performance, side by side, to someone else's RIF? Considering how you play, do you then need to "upgrade" your RIF. Generally, I'd say save your money and put it towards a new primary RIF. Not that you need it, but in x amount of weeks you're going to get bored of your current RIF and want something that's different, an SMG, a gbbr, an AK etc. don't buy a back up RIF, when buying, get something you'll love more than your current one. The only thing I will say, is that if you aren't getting the range you want now and it's been sat there with the hop on doing nothing for 4 years, a new hop rubber wouldn't be a bad move (but a good idea to compare to someone elses range would be sensible in making the decision as to whether this is needed now). If your FPS is below 300 on a 0.2 gram bb, then that would make me take action sooner than I have recommended. Peq boxes are nowadays, pretty much purely for looks (I run them) but even if you had night vision, some sites are banning IR lasers and there are so many players with NV, it's a giveaway of your location. A red dot sight (and screen protector) is sensible, if only to improve your first shot hits and use 0.25 or 0.3 gram bbs.

This seems to be common with v3 mags, I have v3 mags and have had a similar issue. My "work around" has been to use ultra air gas and abbey. Nuprol has been hit and miss and using propane was a complete waste. My suspicions are around the nozzle on the gas not fitting into the valve quite right, rather than the gas itself. Add onto that I'm a gbbr noob and I didn't want to mess with it over cold games, so just getting it back into action.

Think the gaol at Oakham does a pistol and shotgun night game and they allow gbbrs to them (confirm before attending!). I honestly haven't really felt out gunned with a gbbrs vs aeg players, maybe it's the site I attend. If you can't score a hit with 30 bbs you should probably move. I would love a gbbr and support weapon (actual support weapons, not an mp5 with a box mag) only event, ideally a 24+ hour event. Did a filmsim descent game that was an honor based 30 round cap and support weapons then became hugely important as did squads working together I haven't been involved in a forum based skirmish, I think we are probably all quite spread out, logistics would be a pain.

I was NATO scum!!!! This was the first time friendly fire wasn't really an issue for me.....I was only shot by my own team once....maybe twice which in comparison was about 1/5th of how it was last time! The start time slipped, but so did their finish time which I think we pre planned (but not announced) to ensure more of the game was in the dark.

Did another game at gunman tuddenham and it seems I'm about to be a cheerleader for them again. Thoroughly impressed with the management team, ran a relatively complex game with a more advanced rule set, objective style etc and frankly they smashed it out of the park. The site has clearly invested in their terrain and made good use of the features already there. The variation of experience available has improved and consistent with what they're advertising. The game play was good, objectives well thought out and hit taking/sportsmanship very high as well. Add onto that, my little group played effectively as a team and it was about perfect.

Nothing to add other than they are almost as painful to work with as they are without. I found it was an absolute sod to fit, not bend and mess up and well, pretty annoying. You might be able to get your hands on one but I would imagine they'll be a tough one to source, easy to lose and lots of people like front wiring rear wired guns.

@alxndrhllmy god it's sexy though. That is the only mp5 that could sway me......are you going to do the inverted peq and the vert grip?

Spend as little as possible until you've done at least 3 or 4 games and even then, listen to advice as most cheap Airsoft beginner kit is a waste of money. Those cool goggles, Shemagh, viper combat vest, shit fabric holsters, uncomfortable shit facemasks....it's all shit, slow down on the wasteful spending.

I'd probably say more like £700. £400-450 for the rif. £200 for the mags (£40 each) £50 for the acog £50 for the upgrades (mainly cause they were by eagle 6) Mws' tend to hold their value and they are often hard to source new, as are the mags so the normal 70% doesn't really apply.

My gen 3 mags are very picky about the nozzle from the gas source. The madbull adapter didn't allow any gas in (I had other more experienced gas users try as well to make sure it wasn't me being a moron). I've found ultra air ok, I suspect abbey or one with a plastic nozzle would be better. Nuprol has been pretty poor.

Well done, this to me is cool as fuck! I'm sure you and your good wife are stronger than ever and financially much better. Seriously, excellent work and yes, money saving expert. what a legend and how much support you can get from there. Nice one!

Honestly, id recommend holding off and returning anything you have bought if you can. Pretty much everyone who tries airsoft loves their first day. The sport isn't perfect and when you play your 2nd, 3rd day etc the things that hold it back start to become visible and a lot of people then give up the sport, often leaving them with a small fortune of money invested in kit that is hard to resell and won't recover the money spent on it. Also, some people love helmets, alot don't but almost every new player thinks they need one. Don't get me wrong, I love it, but lots of people think they do on game day 1, spend a fortune and don't make it to game day 5. If after 3/4 game days you're still loving it, then yeah, start to buy kit and guns etc. Before spending, chat to people on site who have what you're thinking of getting, is it any good? What do they wish they had known before they bought it? Knowing what they know now, would they rebuy that one? Are they super experienced players who have their stuff squared away or relatively new players spunking cash. I get its tempting, a helmet is only £50, rig is another £50, sling is £20 etc and you could want all in operator. But it adds up and you'd be better off to wait, make sure you love the reality of the sport and build some knowledge on kit before spending your hard earned money. There is a lot (and I means loads!) of crap airsoft kit that isn't worth anywhere near what they charge and it's the stuff new players look at and seem to spunk cash on.

This is such a individual thing that I haven't found a great solution off the shelf.....and I have been looking for years. I made a version of the delta mike face pro about a year before they launched, posted a bunch of pics on a forum. The trouble I found with it (which the properly done ones might not suffer from) is that as a big guy, I need heat and sweat to be escaping around my neck area. I tried having them real short and it just wasn't great. Getting the retention right wasn't easy and then add in hot breath being directed into my glasses and soon enough in game I was charging around with it pulled down. I have then bought a bunch of the super cheap facemasks and trimmed them down into various shapes, tried them with ball caps, helmets, beanies and the only way I get that consistent comfort and protection is when its clipped into the helmet. I used pliers and a hammer to bend it to my face, glued protective matting to the inside of the mask (even stitched sniper tape into it. Trimmed it at the sides so it's not as wide, trimmed the bottom off so it doesn't hang so low and it follows the jaw line. Even trimmed in a "dent" to the jawline so that I could look down my optic a bit easier and trimmed some of the excessive vertical "bars" out so that my breath could flow easier. It works great now but has taken hours of making right for me. When I do cqb without the mask I find the face shots really affect my day more than they should, I often only present a small target, they are generally valid fair shots etc but getting shot in the mush repeatedly wares on my morale - simple solution is to wear the facemask.