Ian_Gere

I've not seen any seams in the P&J 3.2g BB's that twg sell. They're ok to use, although I think that Blaster Devil 0.3's just pip them for sniper accuracy.

Yeah but a TAG is surrounded by soft foam, whereas a MK5 exploding on your head could be the exact thin bit of cardboard which disintegrates in the bang right next to your skin, so although it may be a little more likely to happen, a Tag would hurt a lot less. Either way though, it would just sting and may blister. For the fun factor, that is a risk worth taking imo.

Actually that sounded worse than i intended, above. What i mean is that it is the responsibility of the promoter/organiser to guarantee safety from being wounded by expected hazards, but not safety from small hurts, such as being singed by pyros, cut/grazed by rough terrain, shot in painful places, etc. I don't see what is different about a thrown MK5 potentially landing on your head and going off and a TAG round hitting you and going off.

I don't believe it's the promoter's responsibility to guarantee safety. Nobody ever says, "Shooting glasses are not designed for airsoft - you cannot play here if that is your only eyepro." They also don't say, "Trainers are not suitable footwear - you cannot play here unless you wear boots." Most sites do require u16's to wear full face protection, but they do not tell adults, "BB's take teeth out - you cannot take that risk." They say, "We recommend..." Personally, knowing how thrown MK5's spin end over end and bounce off anything they hit in a totally random way, I expect that I would be able to place a TAG shot more accurately.

Mental, but I'm in love. Nobody told him about hop up re: Uzis on their sides...

This is a retail thread - to comply with our rules I'm moving it to the correct forum.

Well there we are then - no sites i've been to allow people to throw BFG's over shoulder height or drop them on people from above - this bloke broke the rules and someone got hurt - not surprising as airsoft is an adventure sport. Two lessons to take from that: 1) the rules really do have good reasons behind them, and 2) stupidity is an ever present danger so you had best take your own personal protection seriously. If someone had fired a gun in the safe zone and taken someone's eye out, what would we be saying? That's against the rules too. Personally I get pretty irate with anyone who points a gun at me in the safe zone, let alone dry firing, regardless of the rules, whether that site's safety briefing has said no shouldering as well as no dry firing, and whether they have no mag in, etc and I'm pretty unhappy when sites do not have marshals check that players returning to the safe zone have de-mag'd and cleared their chambers, because then i feel unsafe removing my eyepro at all. I would expect sites which allow TAGs to say that players should not aim them at people, in the same way that they often say that pyros should not be thrown at people, but I'd feel a lot safer being hit by a TAG than a BFG. We all know however that when we throw a pyro into a room, for eg, we do not know for sure that it will not hit someone, so conversely when we are defending in cover which obscures our exact position, it's possible that a thrown pyro will hit us without the thrower being in any way malicious or dickheadscious. I don't usually wear a helmet, but I accept that I should and if I do ever get sparked out by some penis behaving irresponsibly, I will not blame the site, or the sport...

I'm pretty sure that part of the UKARA Charter is that those who belong to it will not sell to airsofters unless they have a number (of the beast lol), but many sites who also sell guns are not actually members of UKARA as retailers, just as sites... There are quite a few hoops to jump through in order to become a UKARA registered retailer*, for instance you must have retail premises and they do not count even well established site shops, with permanent storage facilities, as "retail premises". So we have the likes of JBBG on the UKARA board, making money hand over fist selling orange tat to unsuspecting noobs, while committed airsofters running sites and trying to make guns available to their members at low prices (for the UK) can't get a look in... *Which is no bad thing on the face of it, as preventing any old Tom, Dick, or Real Dick from setting up in business selling RIF's at car boot sales to kids and disappearing before the dust settles is part of the purpose of the VCRA. But UKARA has gone far beyond that and, like every trade organisation which has ever existed, is doing its best to act as close to a cartel as they can get away with, minimising competition from anyone else. Still, thankfully there are importers, middle men, who will sell to non-UKARA retailers such as site shops, so you may find that your local site will sell to you without a UKARA number, but what I mostly hear is that sites are allowing people to pay for a gun and use it at the site but not actually take possession of it and take it home until their UKARA player's registration comes through. Well said.

Moved to the correct forum for retail sales.

The best usable result I'm getting is around 315-20FPS from that refillable PPS CO2 bulb, but it is a real ballache. It takes quite a few goes of gas mix to get it to work and I can't seem to find a happy medium between the above and about 355-60 with just CO2 (which is better than the 415-20 my Makarov kicks out on a single use 12g CO2 cartridge). If I fill the PPS with just green gas I get 72FPS, which leads me to believe that it doesn't fill from a can properly. Needless to say, it's ok as a site-legal holster filler / absolute last ditch back up, but for those CO2 pistols without hop, 320FPS is next to useless for actual skirmishing IMO - you need to aim up to hit a target at 20m. My hopes of a bandolier full to power my Makarov and a gas converted SVD are dashed :'(

The first thing he fucking wrote. I just can't even be arsed to find a facepalm jpeg...

I've pm'd him for you.

Holy blood clot, batman! When did that happen? How did it happen? Did he drop it on you from a great height or something? Ah... A guy... oops - watching telly as well. Still, what's the story?

Personally i wouldn't mind, but then again I'm not stupid enough to skirmish without a mesh 1/2 face mask... but a foam shell exploding on my bare face wouldn't bother me either.

Thanks EM As I say, I can't commit to an away fixture as early as Feb, but let's see how things develope...

BTW would i be right in thinking that hobbyking just don't sell straightforward +/- DC motors?

To make a link use the 'link' button on the editor (the little chain icon with a green + sign just below the Font Size drop down menu). So the larger the number the better... doh! But it's not anything I can use to figure out what will fit or not? I'm not at home so I can't just open my skorpion up to measure, but from memory i think this would fit. What do you two think?

Yes you are. The size of the charge is not enough to do more than singe your skin and sting a little. I've skirmished with MK9 flash bangs, both outdoors and in*, and while they are fucking loud and would hurt you if they went off in contact with your skin, nonetheless I felt ok with it because what are the chances...? And yeah, I know that accidents happen (I've used those pale blue MK5's that go off at any random time from 10 seconds to almost as soon as you light 'em ffs) but so long as you don't 'cook' pyros, ie hold them while the fuse burns down and then throw them so they go off in mid air/as soon as they land, then even if they hit someone, that person has time to move before the bang goes off. *The only restriction was that they could not be thrown in/into stairwells because that was too enclosed so hearing damage would be guaranteed. Not that I'm saying there's absolutely no risk from TAG's, but there is just as much if not more from ordinary pyros, and airsoft is an adventure sport: you can get hurt playing... that is part of the excitement

But there's no guarantee that the new rotor would actually fit well into the old stator, compared to the stator it was designed for, right? So if the new one will actually fit into the space provided, it'd be better to go with it as is...? I'm sure I read "340" was the size to go for - what do those numbers, 180, 300, and 340 actually refer to?

Aha... so using the old stator would mean that it will definitely fit into the gun, but the new rotor would improve performance?

BTW what is a stator?

Thanks Nick - i'll have to wait until i get home in a few days to measure the spindle to make sure it will fit. Fortunately I have a clamp tool for pulling off/squeezing on motor pinion gears so that wont be a problem. So you reckon that Graupner motor will have more torque than the stock JG one that's in it now?

I'd be interested for sure but it's a long way from Nottingham and I'm not exactly the most physically fit potential team member so I'm not really in a position to commit to something as early as Feb 2015. But if you keep this thread updated* then I may be able to get along to a game in the summer. Making the MC/MTP brigade hurt is what I'm all about in game *I'm not joining any more fb groups - I'm sick to the back teeth of fb already... Forums FTW!

King Arms would be my first thought...