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Afternoon all So, I have a TWI Raptor SAG folding M4 buffer tube on my CYMA cm.040. It's a nice feeling sturdy alloy piece, but it only just engages with the standard latch on the back of the CYMA receiver. When it is engaged its fine, but it means that if anything so much as brushes the release button, or if I torque the stock too hard when shouldering it, the latch will disengage and the stock will fold up on me. Clearly, this is a less than desirable situation. Does anyone know if you can get a replacement stock latch with a longer claw? Probably only 3 or 4 mm would do it. Failing that, is there an aftermarket drop in that would make it into a fixed stock rather than a foldable? essentially something that would replace the latch part that is locked in place so it can't disengage? Failing that, if I design one, is there anyone out there who could fabricate it in metal from a CAD/Sketchup model? Any answers gratefully received

Another successfull spray job. Forend, carry handle and stock were all the same blue polymer as the UMP. Once again, the black was built up with several light coats, with about 20 minutes drying time between. Once the coverage looked right I left it for 24 hours and then gave it a couple of coats of matt laquer. Once I'd sprayed the laquer there were a couple of spots that went cloudy, but letting It all dry for another 24 hours and then buffing it out with a drop of olive oil on a kitchen towel got rid of it entirely.

Ha! To be honest, I don't mind if you call them silencers or suppressors. I'm not *that* much of a pedant. I seem to have fixed my particular issue. I applied gentle corrective pressure in an upward direction, just to see if anything happened. there was a *pop* and the barrel was aligned with the same horizontal as the top rail. I think the outer barrel just wasn't quite aligned with the guides it slides on to. My plan is to fit a longer barrel and then cover it up with a mock supprilancer. I am hoping that a brass barrel going all the way down the middle of the outer barrel and the silessor will give it enough rigidity to keep things in place. Hence Forth, I shall refer to the barrel attachment in question as tubeymakebanggopop. I'm airing on the side of leaving it front wired because I prefer the look of the lower profile M4 stock.

https://www.silencershop.com/blog/post/silencer-suppressor 😉 Hmmm. That sounds like a bit of a bollock. That said, the long barrel versions look fine, so It must be possible. I wonder if that's why all the Sportline models seem to be G36C's. Maybe its expensive to make a long straight G36 barrel?

Not fully finished by any means, but the stock adaptor turned up on tuesday, so I borrowed my sons suppressor and tried out a couple of M4 stocks I had laying around. Its currently front wired, the hand guard is pretty easy to remove, and has space for a two or three cell Lipo brick. Do I leave it like that, or do I rewire to the rear and set it up to take more common AEG Lipos in a crane stock? advantage of wiring it to the rear are it would move the center of gravity backwards, making the gun nicer to shoulder on an all day game, and it would take commonly available batteries. Advantages of leaving as is are that you can use a lower profile M4 Stock which will fold up nicer, you won't see any wires when the stock is folded, and you can quickly and easily put the original skeleton Stock on if you prefer that look. Thoughts? I know the barrel looks bent in the photos. As far as I can tell it isn't. the whole suppressor and barrel assembly is straight and correctly aligned with the inner barrel, but the whole thing might be angled downwards a fraction when fitted in the gun. more investigation may be necessary, possibly some shims.

EDcase makes a fair point. My last comment is probably coloured by the fact that myself, and most of my friends that airsoft, can't resist taking things apart. Knocking cans off the wall at 10 - 20 meters should be comfortably within the capabilities of a £150 gun from the manufactures already mentioned, and a stray BB will be less risk to others than a stray pellet from an air gun. On the other hand, as others have mentioned, a battery and charger are necessary for an AEG and may be hard to include with a decent gun for your £150 budget. While more powerful, a .177 air rifle would be more accurate for pure target shooting. Providing you have the outdoor space, used responsibly, it should not be substantially more risky than an airsoft gun. You should also find it easier to get everything you need, at reasonable quality, for your budget. The downside of this option would be that it will be single shot rather than semi or fully automatic, and you definatley couldn't shoot it at people.

Not a problem Kirsty. I don't know how you feel about such things, but if he's a sensible 14 year old and wants to shoot at targets then have you considered getting him an proper airgun and a half-way decent pellet catching target? Obviously, that would completely rule out shooting at 'live targets' (even brothers) but a decent starter airgun would be far more accurate for target shooting than any airsoft. If you are in the middle of nowhere and you've got somewhere on your property with a safe backstop to prevent any stray shots leaving your garden then that might be a far more rewarding option than a cheap airsoft. Target shooting is another of my hobbies. Shooting a perfect bullseye is always a rewarding feeling, and it's great for encouraging focus, responsability, concentration, and hand-eye coordination. https://www.pellpax.co.uk/airguns/air-rifles/spring-powered-air-rifles/proshot-fox-cub-combo-177/54 Something like the above link, plus a pellet catcher, a pack of targets and a tin of 500 pellets should be around your £150 budget One thing I think most people on this forum would back me up on, Airsoft guns are like British sports cars. They look nice, and can be a lot of fun, but they spend as much time in bits on the kitchen table as they do 'on the road', and thats the good ones. Cheap nasty ones aren't fit for purpose and will likely fall apart as soon as you take them out of the garage. A good little starter air rifle thats looked after and properly cleaned will keep doing its thing for years. That said, if shooting at brothers is a must then a pair of CYMA electric pistols and a couple of sets of eye pro is probably your best options for airsoft based garden fun. Personally, I'd recommend the CM.127 as a solid little pistol that should just run for years and is repairable if anything does happen to it. a couple of extra batteries and a bottle of 3000 BB's should keep them going for a while.

Hi Kirsty I'm sure people here can help you out. If anything, you run the risk of getting too much information. If you can provide a bit more info about your requirements then anyone answering can better tailor their advice. How old is your son? Is he hoping to play regular games at a proper skirmish site, or will this be a gun for back garden play? If he's going to use it in the back garden you might want to consider something in 2 tone colours to make sure the neighbours aren't going to phone the police at the sight of a young lad with a realistic looking black rifle. when you say you had a bad experience with CYMA, can I ask if you can remember what gun it was? CYMA definitely have budget models that are of a lower quality than their more expensive stuff, but in the price range you mention, you should be able to get a reasonable starter gun that is sturdy/powerful enough to take onto a skirmish site if that's his plan. One thing to look out for is really cheap guns that have plastic gear boxes and gears. From any manufacturer, these guns won't stand up to any lasting use and the gear boxes are often not just plastic copies of the metal ones, so you can't upgrade them at a later point. when you are looking at possible purchases, most guns with metal internals will mention it on the web site or the box somewhere. Another thing to be aware of, if this is going to be more for back garden fun. An automatic electric gun (AEG) built for skirmishing on a purpose built site can seriously damage things like eyes or teeth, especially at back garden distances. I'd consider protective eye wear a must for him and anyone nearby if you end up with something of that level. I'm also fairly certain it would be an offence under UK firearms law if projectiles fired within your garden were to pass outside of your property. If he's old enough, and you have a nearby site, have you considered getting him a days skirmishing using hire equipment instead? £150 is a lot of gun for occasional backyard use, and if he goes to a proper site and enjoys it enough to want to go back then there will likely be plenty of people there who can advise on what to buy to get him started. I hope you found this helpful and I didn't sound at all patronising. As you say you don't know anything about airsoft I didn't want to blind you with jargon or overly complex explanation. if you have any further questions, ask away. I'm sure other people will also be happy to put their advice forward. Regards, lain

I think the 9 rps is more a function of the non specific Nimh pack it came with. I was using that just to check it worked and see what sort of FPS I was dealing with. On the Skirmish day it lasted about a game and a half (50 minutes?) so I reckon its a duffer. I've got a GATE nanoASR to go in it, plus i'll rewire it with 16 guage wire and put some deans connectors on it. with a gearbox re-shim and a Lipo pack I'm pretty sure the RPS will improve without me having to do much else about it. If I'm going to keep it I might go further, but if I end up looking to sell I want to make It a solid base that someone else can build off if they want, but don't need to. Hopefully it'll have a bit of unique style and make someone a great first gun, or a reliable back-up work horse.

Cheers for the comment Jam. I do like a nice AUG. Do us a build thread if you start tinkering. I'm keeping my eyes open for a suitable M14 Socom. It would suit my play style and my regular site (quite woody, no really long sight lines) perfectly.

Cheers Loz, much appreciated.

I'm using Milanote for project planning, collecting reference images and generally keeping track of stuff. Out of interest, can anyone see my G36c board? It should be viewable on the following link: https://app.milanote.com/1OVs541EGnnzd3?p=QN3hsbkf31B If anyone else thinks Milanote looks interesting, then the basic account is free and allows you to create up to 100 individual items, i.e. a picture, a list, a comment box, etc. If you do decide to try it and you set up via my refferal link, then I get 20 extra items added to my allowance. This would be greatly appreciated and means I could start doing a viewable project board for future builds. No worries if It doesn't look like something of interest, but I figure I'm not hurting anyone by asking 😀. Link below: https://www.milanote.com/refer/rcE1UFqme45OgKzLSD cheers.

After having taken it apart completely (aside from the gearbox) I can find nothing to complain about on the Sportline model. If you paid more I'm sure you might get one that looked more real, but as toy guns go its fine. I chrono'd it before I started playing around and it was doing a solid 326 fps. From the outside it looks like its the same V3 gearbox as is inside the Sportline UMP45 (I see you have had a look on my thread on one of those). This G36 was also a two tone and the Vinyl Dye rattle can is doing an equally good job of covering all the blue. As far as construction goes, it seems solid but not necessarily made from the absolute premium materials. I'd say it's perfect if you want a solid skirmish day gun. If you want to stick it on the wall and pretend it's real then you might want to spend a bit more and get something a bit more high end. I'm pretty sure from the noise it makes when firing, and the fact it's got a barrel that is only a bit longer than the UMP, I'm going to find it's got a full cylinder but with a fairly poor air seal meaning it behaves like it has a ported cylinder. The gear box shell looks pretty solid, but it would probably benefit from a radius job on the front end. Unless you put a quite long barrel on it it's going to be over-cylindered if you fix the poor air seal. Now I've worked out the barrel can take attachments I'm thinking mock suppressor and longer barrel (300-330mm), then I should be able to fix the air seal and tone the spring down a bit so it can do an all day 325-330 fps without straining it guts. It should be an ok looking gun with pretty bomb-proof internals that will just run and run.

Milanote project board here: https://app.milanote.com/1OVs541EGnnzd3?p=QN3hsbkf31B if you want your own Milanote account the basic account is free and if you use my link to sign up, I get some extra space to make more boards you might be interested in. Referal link: https://www.milanote.com/refer/rcE1UFqme45OgKzLSD So, recently I picked up one of these guns second hand. Mainly to have fun tinkering and see what I could create. depending on what happens it may become a back-up gun, or I may see if anyone is interested buying it off me. As I continue to work on it, I thought I'd stick up the occasional post if I discover anything interesting that other people might want to know. One initial thought I had was putting a longer barrel on it, hidden by a longer external barrel or a mock suppressor. I had heard from various internet explorations that the stock plastic flash hider on the Sportline models was either molded onto the plastic outer barrel, or threaded but glued on. After a bit more research and looking at stuff about the Sportline UMP, it turns out that the G36 flash hider is threaded, and glued on. whatever adhesive they used is pretty unshiftable, until you warm it up. Some careful use of a heat gun (get it so the flash hider feels hot, but not too hot to grip firmly) and it should just unscrew easily (mine did, I guess different production runs may have used different adhesive). Underneath the thread seems like a pretty standard 14mm CW. I have a specna arms 14mm CW to 14mm CW adaptor and that fits perfectly, so thats what I'm going with. I would guess that any 14mm CW attachment or adaptor will do the same. The specna adaptor screws up nice and tight and looks perfectly straight, I'll probably put a bit of lock tight on it once I'm satisfied that its staying installed. My guess is that whoever manufactures the guns for Umarex (I think it might be S&T) sells into various territories, some of which require toy guns to come with orange tips and others which don't. Making the outer barrel and the flash hider as a two part assembly means it's easy to add a black or orange hider, depending on the recieving territory, without having to make two different types of main outer barrel. Whatever the reason. It's nice to know that you can quickly and easily modifiy the outer barrels on these without having to order expensive upgrade parts from Hong Kong (thats assuming you can find them these days). Happy teching.

Here is a shot of it now that I've finished the respray. When I got it the upper body was made of that two tone blue plastic, rather than being a black one with a retailer spray job. Mag and lower reciever are the original black finish from the factory. I'm very happy with the match. I also opened up the mag and sprayed the fake rounds to look more realistic. The M4 stock is on a 3D printed adaptor and it still folds flat against the body when stowed. The lower rail section under the forend was missing and the bolt holes were partially stripped so I sourced a new bit of rail section and some more bolts. It's now permanently attached, as the best way of attaching the new section was to JB weld the bolts into the rail section and then more JB weld to fix the bolts into the holes. It looks proper and it's plenty strong enough to be used for attachments. Over all I'm happy with the way it's turned out. Pre-covid and the shipping crisis, I would like to have picked up a metal outer barrel for it and fitted a suppressor and a longer inner barrel, but those are like rocking-horse poo these days so it will have to go without. It's nicely shimmed and lubed internally. Chronos about 330fps on 0.2g BBs I would say vinyl dye and a matt lacquer top coat is a success.