Chev Chelios

So the ladies seem to get on with the likes of PT Armor (like the stuff worn in the movie Black Hawk Down) Its soft and has elastic sides so can conform around the bust for good fit.  Then wear whatever over the top. A cooler (as in heat) would be something like a British Assault Vest (good price for a bit of kit that will outlast you). Is good because "it has pouches covering the nips and protects lower back).  https://preppersshop.co.uk/british-military-dpm-assault-vest-62566-p.asp https://www.patrolbase.co.uk/8fields-tactical-pt-tactical-body-armour

So the ladies seem to get on with the likes of PT Armor (like the stuff worn in the movie Black Hawk Down) Its soft and has elastic sides so can conform around the bust for good fit.  Then wear whatever over the top. A cooler (as in heat) would be something like a British Assault Vest (good price for a bit of kit that will outlast you). Is good because "it has pouches covering the nips and protects lower back).  https://preppersshop.co.uk/british-military-dpm-assault-vest-62566-p.asp https://www.patrolbase.co.uk/8fields-tactical-pt-tactical-body-armour

Maybe consider a warrior tmv vest or one of the many similar "vests" , it's essentially a molle waistcoat & gives good coverage all over, allows for pouch placement wherever you want & once adjusted goes on like a jacket, very comfortable & should take the sting out of most shots.
 
Obviously to give the best advice to sizing & coverage etc, we will need to see suitable pictures of your gf 😏

Yep, business rates/rents etc are crippling most walk in stores, irrespective of the products they sell, add to that the rising stock costs means most businesses are walking a tightrope in fear of the next setback, I wonder how many heard the gloom predictions regarding the next budget & are literally thinking "should I jump before I'm pushed ?".
The other big issue is t'internet, we're now the generation to learn about the must have airsoft stuff via it, we then scour it for availability & best prices, & if a retailer wants us to buy from them, their having to virtually shoot themselves in the foot financially to get the sales.
It's a sorry state of affairs🙁

I don't know about you guys but I never bought anything from them so I guess they didn't have competitive prices.
Hopefully its not going to be a trend with other retailers.

Bits came in from Action Airsoft. Amazing packing and speedy delivery that sailed through customs. Trigger was easy to fit, is super light and I was able to take up just about all the slack. Hop unit would have been super easy as well but took me a min to work out if using the 4UAD rubber you need a TM spec barrel (the cut out is longer). Once I worked this out it hopped .43g and still did not bottom out the adjustment. 
 
Not had time to dig the chrono out to test the shot to shot consistency but from firing 5 mags into trash feels like a new toy almost.   
 
Excuse the ash not a 20 a day smoker was just burning some wood at the time and snapped a few images while test firing. 

Was playing a lot of Atlas Life and needed a funny bad guy name. Was inspired after watching Crank. In hindsight it was a headache as everyone in game that had seen the movie would just shout "fu*k you Chev Chelios" but it stuck as the same people I played stuff online with also played Airsoft.    

Mine originates from when i was young, dumb, and edgy enough to think it was a funny name.
 
However it's surprisingly rarely taken so i kept using it and at this point it's just the name i use online.
 
Kind of ironic that i'm simaltaneously using a pseudonym to remain anonymous online whilst keeping that name constant which aids recognition.

Was playing a lot of Atlas Life and needed a funny bad guy name. Was inspired after watching Crank. In hindsight it was a headache as everyone in game that had seen the movie would just shout "fu*k you Chev Chelios" but it stuck as the same people I played stuff online with also played Airsoft.    

I do actually get the pragmatic argument about most AEGs vs most bolties, but the problem that you're trying to catch is edge-case exceptions.
 
As always, I'd argue that the only thing that actually tests what energy guns are producing in game is chronoing them in game, with the weight that they're using.
 
If you don't test reality, then you're just dabbling in various flavours of fantasy and hypotheticals.

Mint, when he says "AEG" he means stuff firing in full auto in this context. My GDR15, GBBR and HPA systems with 400mm barrels all Chrono over 1.3J if I set them up to read 350FPS with a 0.2g BB and then change to a .4g BB. I am not 100% sure on the physics but I guess the projectile stays in the barrel longer and the fact you have more propellant behind the projectile that can expand VS a cylinder in a traditional AEG might be the case. 
 
Thanks for the reply.  
 
From the photos it gets around 15-20 players. Was looking for the nostalgia of playing at Ambush Adventures Chobham from the early 2000s but I guess it was not to be  

Seems I have been banned from the sites Facebook Group :(.

Pretty much, gbbr's/hpa's can just keep sending gas until the bb leaves the barrel (when setup to do so/with an adequately long barrel), longer the bb takes to leave the more gas is sent the more energy is added.
 
Aeg's have a fixed starting energy, so if the bb takes longer to leave the barrel it doesn't have any more energy to gain, as the spring just pushes the bb out as fast as it can.
 
The spring bolties are a bit more confusing, but essentially by having a heavy piston slowing the rate of energy being made available to the bb, meaning that a lighter bb can escape the barrel before all the spring energy is released.
 
Theoretically aeg's would joule creep too, but the amount is sufficiently little to be insignificant compared to other variations.

If that's how they react then fuck them off and find another site, preferably one who they know what they're doing and don't throw a tantrum when questioned

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1968/27/section/57A
Law is pretty clear. It is not 374fps at 0.2g, it is explicitly 1.3Joules.
 
However, it seems they may be correct that an AEG shooting 350FPS at 0.2g (1.14J) is unlikely to experience Joule creep that would increase up to above 1.3J. Though a DMR or Sniper may be likely.
The only data I've found on joule creep in airsoft is this reddit post from 10 years ago https://www.reddit.com/r/airsoft/comments/29wi1s/joule_creep_testing_results_various_guns_and_bbs/
 
The data they found is as follows:

The mid-range AEGs and pistols tended to have very little joule creep from 0.20g+ (or even negative sometimes), however the DMR (SR-25) and sniper (VSR) did show significant joule creep.
 

 

The DMR increases in energy ~34% from 0.20g to 0.40g. If we were to assume that this DMR were at your site and were shooting at the site limit of 450fps at 0.20g, (1.87J), when loaded with 0.40g bbs, it would be shooting at or just above the legal limit of 2.5J. When you consider that it is also firing in semi-auto, that is not safe or fun. The sniper's increase is also a concern but your site already appears to have addressed that.
 
Generally, it seems that the rules that this site has for AEGs should be fine, as is the rule on snipers. However, the DMRs should certainly be chrono'd in Joules on the BB that will be used, the same as snipers are at thissite.
 
 
It would be nice to have some more up to date data on this with more varied guns and more information such as piston volume.

Negative Airsoft had a good old rant on this topic
https://youtu.be/EiN_swsjfLs?si=Kt3XmO58XlJtLiBw

A combination of that and laziness. Even if you don't want to mess about with changing settings on the chrono it only takes a few seconds to look at a chart like the one posted by ButcherBill 

Tbh, joule chrono'ing isn't difficult.
 
Takes about 5 minutes to print out a strip with the raw fps figure that different common bb weights would be at the site limit.
 
Likewise, a few speedloaders with common weights to double check if you want to be real paranoid.
 
Or even if you don't want to bother with that, just keep the method exactly the same but use a heavier weight instead

I've always speculated that sites don't want to convert to joule based rules due to logistics, it's easy to tell someone to unload BBs and put in a few 0.2 BBs then look at the glowing box and read the number, but given most chronos are not very user friendly, if you have a long queue of people trying to get through and everyone's using a different weight, it'll take ages if you gotta change the settings after every person, or buy a bunch of chronos for each weight.
 
I never thought it's from ignorance, I was proven wrong by this site owner. 

I don't think there's any saving this one.
 

Sounds to me like the site owner either doesn't understand joule creep isn't a constant which affects all guns in the same way or is just too lazy to chrono properly. Yes it may take a little longer to get everyone sorted when chronoing with whatever ammo is used in game, but many other sites do it without a problem so it's obviously not impossible.

I'm sorry but I don't quite get the context. Do they chrono test on 0.2g only and not on the weight the player is using?
 
If that's the context, I agree with Hudson's suggestion that doing tests with different weights to illustrate joule creep would be a good idea.
 
I would have thought liability insurance policies would be strict about energy limits.

Probably best to do some actual testing to show what results you can get.
 
Strangely they seem to accept joule creep effects for sniper rifles, hence menasuring on the BB weight used, but not on any of the others.
 
Does the site allow HPA?
If so, that might be the easiest way to test and demonstrate it.
 
I know one of my local sites insists on sticking with the "chrono on a 0.2", and I could very easily abuse this for joule creep in my bolt actions if need be, but I understand it enough to account for that.
I'm certain that there are plenty of players running around with theirs firing 499.9fps on a 0.2, but creeping massively once they get in game.
 
Whether you'll be able to get them to change their mind is another thing, however.

FYI just got an Email from https://www.proactstore.com/ (Action Airsoft) UAD triggers and most importantly hop units are in stock (or shipping pre-orders at least)  

Fire it 5000-10000 times or failing that polish the disconnector . Gen 5 trigger is a lot lighter and more consistent striking the valve. The 4UAD one is adjustable to so you can also remove all the take up.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdYHK4qsDxA