ak2m4 Posted July 27, 2019 Posted July 27, 2019 5 minutes ago, rocketdogbert said: Zero issues getting the RIF I ordered through customs from the US ?? @rocketdogbert I've only imported once from the US, never had a problem either - was back in 2009 though. Did you ever get back an answer from border force regarding how many requests they made for UKARA info?
Guest Posted July 27, 2019 Posted July 27, 2019 1 minute ago, ak2m4 said: @rocketdogbert I've only imported once from the US, never had a problem either - was back in 2009 though. Did you ever get back an answer from border force regarding how many requests they made for UKARA info? I never asked them lol, but I suspect it’s zero
John_W Posted July 28, 2019 Posted July 28, 2019 I was lucky about two years ago. Due to UKARA no longer sending out expiry notices, my site didnt renew a bunch of us, and we weren't aware of this. While out of date, I purchased a UMP from Gunfire in Poland, gave them UKARA. Parcel arrived with number very clearly on the address label, no problems. I can only assume that Customs isn't checking every single number on every single package and I was lucky not to have my RIF siezed.
ak2m4 Posted July 28, 2019 Posted July 28, 2019 1 hour ago, John_W said: I was lucky about two years ago. Due to UKARA no longer sending out expiry notices, my site didnt renew a bunch of us, and we weren't aware of this. While out of date, I purchased a UMP from Gunfire in Poland, gave them UKARA. Parcel arrived with number very clearly on the address label, no problems. I can only assume that Customs isn't checking every single number on every single package and I was lucky not to have my RIF siezed. Since UKARA was setup by UK businesses to sell RIF's here in the UK, surely providing customs with access to the UKARA database would only hurt their sales in the long run? Does HM Customs actually have access? Do a Google and it's not clear, some people say they do, some say they don't. There's no official mention on the UKARA website. I've got a few friends who work in Customs IT and they have never heard of it lol.
Supporters Rogerborg Posted July 29, 2019 Supporters Posted July 29, 2019 On 28/07/2019 at 12:41, ak2m4 said: Since UKARA was setup by UK businesses to sell RIF's here in the UK, surely providing customs with access to the UKARA database would only hurt their sales in the long run? Indeed, and if I were a UK retailer paying £300+ a year for access to it, I'd be telling them in no uncertain terms to stop giving access to Customs and to private buyers calling them up, because both of those are costing them sales. Quote Does HM Customs actually have access? Do a Google and it's not clear, some people say they do, some say they don't. There's no official mention on the UKARA website. I've got a few friends who work in Customs IT and they have never heard of it lol. http://ukara.org.uk/#privacy " The system can also be accessed on an individual look up basis by the UK Boarder Agency [sic] to allow player imports of RiFs & 24/7 Intelligence department, Hampshire Police also in reference to imports " I put in that FOI request to Boarder... I mean, Border Force. "We have established that we do not hold the information which you have requested. The Home Office does not hold data on verification checks made on the importation of realistic imitation firearms into the UK. Each instance is dealt with on its own merits and information on checks conducted are held on separate manual records. " Things that make you go "Hmmm."
John_W Posted July 30, 2019 Posted July 30, 2019 So it seems if I put "UKARA Number 5319008" it would get through customs unless it was singled out for special attention...
ak2m4 Posted July 30, 2019 Posted July 30, 2019 5 minutes ago, John_W said: So it seems if I put "UKARA Number 5318809" it would get through customs unless it was singled out for special attention... It's possible. Not very scientific but in order to test the theory people would need to start putting incorrect UKARA information on their packages and see what happens ? Personally I don't have a UKARA number. I do need some samples from China so may try
Supporters Rogerborg Posted July 30, 2019 Supporters Posted July 30, 2019 3 hours ago, John_W said: So it seems if I put "UKARA Number 5318809" it would get through customs unless it was singled out for special attention... I'd note that attempting that would be: 1) A criminal offence for importing without a defence. 2) A separate charge of fraud by false representation. 3) And if you stuck to that story after an investigation had begun, you'd be up for perverting the course of justice, for which custody is assumed.
John_W Posted July 30, 2019 Posted July 30, 2019 6 hours ago, Rogerborg said: I'd note that attempting that would be: 1) A criminal offence for importing without a defence. 2) A separate charge of fraud by false representation. 3) And if you stuck to that story after an investigation had begun, you'd be up for perverting the course of justice, for which custody is assumed. You don't do irony and never owned a 1980s calculator then?
Supporters Rogerborg Posted July 31, 2019 Supporters Posted July 31, 2019 17 hours ago, John_W said: You don't do irony and never owned a 1980s calculator then? I had to make do with a slide rule, and you've still got the number wrong.
Tommikka Posted July 31, 2019 Posted July 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Rogerborg said: I had to make do with a slide rule, and you've still got the number wrong. Numbers valid ..... not for UKARA / VCRA purposes, but a valid 80s number Though its a rubbish number for a juvenile 80s teenager Add 218199
MadMole Posted August 23, 2019 Posted August 23, 2019 I've imported 3 guns from Austria recently with just a BAC number, no issues at all
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