hutchoz Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 Hey, I've recently gone airsofting and I am looking into buying my own gear but I don't what to get. As I'm only 14, I understand I can't legally buy a gun right now as I've once, could someone please explain how I'd be able to own a gun. I have been looking into two guns which is the Jing Gong G36C (like the look of this) and a M4. The site I've played at, under 18s have to wear lower face and eye pro, as I have a budget so I'm sure of where to look for these. Jing Gong G36C: http://www.patrolbase.co.uk/airsoft-g36-variants/jing-gong-g608-g36c-railed-handle-w-folding-stock-black.htm#.WrfOWojwbZZ M4: https://modernairsoft.com/collections/airsoft-electric-rifles-smgs/products/lancer-tactical-m4-cqbr-airsoft-aeg-rifle-dark-earth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Gepard Posted March 25, 2018 Supporters Share Posted March 25, 2018 18+ to buy a two tone 18+ with a defense to buy a RIF Somebody could purchase either providing that criteria is met and then gift it to you. You cannot exchange any cash with this person. JG make a good G36C however if you're after an M4 I would highly recommend the CM16 series by G&G. Under 18s are required to wear full face protection such as a paintball mask. The Dye i4 is a great mask and what I used whilst I was U18. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Head Moderator Jedi_Master Posted March 25, 2018 Head Moderator Share Posted March 25, 2018 Correct because you are under 18 it is illegal for you to purchase an imitation firearm (IF) two-tone gun or a realistic imitation firearm (RIF), and illegal for anyone to sell you either one. You can be gifted an IF or RIF but no money can be given in exchange for it, i.e. a birthday present from a parent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters jcheeseright Posted March 25, 2018 Supporters Share Posted March 25, 2018 it's not a legal requirement for under 18s to wear full face, only an insurance requirement. same difference though, you'll have to wear it. the lancer tactical M4 you linked is only available in the US, spend a couple more quid and get a G&G combat machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Sitting Duck Posted March 25, 2018 Supporters Share Posted March 25, 2018 JG G36c is a fantastic cheap starter gun It is a common rental gun like a G&G M4 or Cyma AK But think a good reason why many places use or have used them as rental guns is because it is also ambidextrous too (so is a mp5 range) The G36c is compact with stock folded, but decent length all rounder tough plastic but an easy to pick up & shoot gun for lefties and righties to flick semi/full auto etc.... As a general rule, though not set in stone.... JG make great G36's Cyma AK's without doubt G&G M4's Cyma's dabble in a few guns, making also M4's & a G36c (but listed what these makes excel in) There are many others out there, some better/worse than others but generally listed best or highly rated guns/makes in that starter gun field DON'T BUY CRAP FROM JustBBGuns, or BBGuns4Less or probably OnlyBBguns have a read up on stuff see links in my sig, get your parents to perhaps purchase a two tone but avoid rushing into things and buying the wrong crappy stuff like most newcomers do see here.... https://swasairsoft.co.uk/airsoft-guns/?category=Airsoft+Rifles Long/Short Raider is £120 (cheapest I know) (wish they made a Medium Raider but hey ho) Raider 2.0 is a good price too G36c - same price There are the Cyma M4's cheapo which are about the ONLY decent sub £100 guns in UK The CM517 is a cheapo clone of the G&G Raider, but as the G&G Raider is £120 I'd be advising the G&G at £120 if you can stretch to it - receivers are much better Plus less brittle plastic than Cyma M4, and imho a safer wiser investment all round Stock tube, mag catch, magazine, sights are metal on G&G - it is just that bit better Cyma cheapo plastic M4 flashhiders are just pushed onto a ccw thread, fall off with a whack (you get the idea, you can fit other stuff on there but you are sinking money into a cheapo Cyma) G&G M4's are what we recommend mostly in M4 dept It will likely last longer, take more abuse, hold its value etc... it is just a better gun (avoid ETU fancy mosfet G&G's. The plain ol' basic G&G M4's set the bar - end of story) Some guns have battery/charger - real crap ones but kind of gets you started So you have factor in this also, if buying a decent G&G or others you will need a battery/charger, again best go LiPo 7.4v setup if you can (avoid paying through the nose for batteries/charger etc....) All this crap you learn the hard way usually so have a read up, get some info together Then pop back and run it past us for our frank/honest sarcastic advice of " that is crap m8 " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutchoz Posted March 25, 2018 Author Share Posted March 25, 2018 What should I be expecting to be paying for a good G36C? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Sitting Duck Posted March 25, 2018 Supporters Share Posted March 25, 2018 9 minutes ago, hutchoz said: What should I be expecting to be paying for a good G36C? About £110 + a bit for 2-tone & delivery Don't buy any crap like Bulldog or Black Viper G36 of D68 FFS !!!! D68 won't take regular G36 mags & the above above are pi$$ poor guns All plastic gearbox/gears, weak motor, poor performance for playing at sites You will regret buying a pile of crap like those (I speak from experience) JG G36c is the one, Cyma make one, so do others like Ares, or Umarex with trades forget all others - go for JG G36c I don't own a Cyma G36 so can't comment but JG are best/safest bet to recommend Other makes, you can have issues with parts, 99% sure Umarex or one of them has a different selector plate, no JG is the one, bits nbobs in spares are JG G36 compatible Or easier to source/work on JG is da one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutchoz Posted March 25, 2018 Author Share Posted March 25, 2018 Thanks, next time I go which will be in a couple weeks, I'll ask the guys at the site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Sitting Duck Posted March 25, 2018 Supporters Share Posted March 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, hutchoz said: Next time I go which will be in a couple weeks, I'll ask the guys at the site. What site - where abouts are ya ??? but yeah ask around, though some sites with shops or even shops can be a bit biased Luckily on here we can offer our opinion (might vary from other members) Recommend other retailers or slate honest reviews on some sites/shops etc.... (couldn't do that or be that open on Zero In forums as it was run by Zero One Airsoft) Always pay to seek to advice, ask around, and weigh up all this info (wish I did) If you can see if you can hold a few guns, see if you can get to grips with what like/hate Often people like a particular gun the most But end of the day they all just fancy toy guns going peew peew Just get something half decent than 50% or more complete $hit like I did at first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutchoz Posted March 25, 2018 Author Share Posted March 25, 2018 Alpha 55 (onsite shop), but there's a shop near me called Tonys Camo & Airgun Centre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Sitting Duck Posted March 25, 2018 Supporters Share Posted March 25, 2018 Ahhh North Wales, can't help ya I'm afraid not my neck of the woods, but seems a nice load of players/site ask 20-30-40 questions to help you decide One final warning Beware the one called JambWow, he is a liar and a con-artist Do not give this thing your money - you have been warned !!!! avoid at all costs..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutchoz Posted March 25, 2018 Author Share Posted March 25, 2018 A lot of nice players here,we were in snow (the only day we've had snow this year). One of my parents friends used to do airsoft so I'll look into getting some gear off him if I'm allowed to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Gepard Posted March 25, 2018 Supporters Share Posted March 25, 2018 54 minutes ago, Sitting Duck said: Beware the one called JambWow, he is a liar and a con-artist Do not give this thing your money - you have been warned !!!! Do tell. I've never heard of this guy before. 1 hour ago, hutchoz said: Alpha 55 (onsite shop), but there's a shop near me called Tonys Camo & Airgun Centre And hey fellow Alpha 55 player! Nice to finally have somebody else on this forum that plays there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutchoz Posted March 25, 2018 Author Share Posted March 25, 2018 15 minutes ago, Gepard said: hey fellow A55 player! Hey, I've seen a few players from A55. Just wondering, if I bought camo, eye & face pro from someone, and they also gifted me a gun at the same time, would that be allowed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Sitting Duck Posted March 25, 2018 Supporters Share Posted March 25, 2018 10 minutes ago, Gepard said: Do tell. I've never heard of this guy before. That is sarcasm right ???? Or you was very lucky.... loads of posts slating this guy he is an expert at filling mags with bulldog/bull$hit bb's a 5k bag fills one high cap - 4.7k go on the floor classic quotes like: This is a quality ($HIT) gun Full metal (brittle as f*ck plastic) We sell a lot of these (we mug loads of new young noob players, and the odd older player) There are parodies or pi$$ takes on youtube about this tw@t bigging it up about cheapo crap stuff that scrapes to plink with but sells it on as professional top quality skirmish-able guns etc.... Blimey where have you been last 4 years ??? Think he has wound it down a bit, or kids had started to use google-fu more to catch him out he was coining it in, think really young players still use JBBG & BBguns4Less (alright geez, Dominic from Essex here, got a wicked new pro-line gun 'ere, awesome gun crap) OnlyBBguns was about the only minor decent one of the three really iwholesale guns flogging 2-toners from Reading way if you knew what you was buying at a push OnlyBBGuns was OK-ish at a push BUT only (like the name), only if you really knew what you was buying Mainly coz few used them, free del on £30 and code " RC10 " used to get 10% off Still most of these shops with BB in their names are usually avoided - well those 3 should be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommikka Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, hutchoz said: Hey, I've seen a few players from A55. Just wondering, if I bought camo, eye & face pro from someone, and they also gifted me a gun at the same time, would that be allowed? That could be a bit suspicious, expensive accessories with a ‘free gun’ Gifting is considered fine because the offence is the sale of an IF/RIF to a junior The crime would be committed by the seller, so it’s ‘OK’ for them to do so if they are ‘OK’ with it But they take the risk of you being irresponsible, coming to the attention of the authorities (or your parents) and questions being asked about how you obtained it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutchoz Posted March 25, 2018 Author Share Posted March 25, 2018 I need to tell my friend about him, as he's super cheap and his dad is looking to buy him a gun for his birthday in a couple weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Sitting Duck Posted March 25, 2018 Supporters Share Posted March 25, 2018 16 minutes ago, hutchoz said: Hey, I've seen a few players from A55. Just wondering, if I bought camo, eye & face pro from someone, and they also gifted me a gun at the same time, would that be allowed? Oooooh grey area that........ Actually it isn't a grey area it against the law or VCRA/UKARA regulations/guidelines/law You can't really buy a pair of used MTP trousers for £150 A GIFT is a GIFT no money changing hands - a pressie like chrimbo I buy a gun and give it to Duck jnr = a GIFT If I sell his m8 a mask & bb's etc.. for £175 - THAT IS NOT A GIFT !!!! I am flouting the law, well breaking the law to be exact, nobody else is in $hit It is me that could face the consiquences The seller is committing an offense, they should refuse to entertain any crap like this You just highlighted one of the reasons why there is VCRA/UKARA You are young/naive and I guess allowed to ask the odd daft question now & then However try not to make a habit of it especially around the legal side of it Airsofters though just big kids with toy guns Well we are a funny lot and get a bit protective over stuff like trying to find loopholes This legal stuff was brought in 2007 & such to prevent a total ban on airsoft in UK Yup some people sought to ban it outright and even now still gets brought up So retailers got together to basically assure authorities that Realistic or Black toy guns Or Realistic Imitation Firearms will not end up being sold to non-airsoft adults IF's or orange guns will only be sold to adults - eg: your parent/older brother What they do after that is down to them but can only GIFT stuff, but the seller is the one who faces the consrquences Finding loopholes is frowned upon as it threatens out toy gun hobby So best try to stay within the UK law If you think that is bad Australia banned airsoft for years only recently has some legislation come about to allow some toy gun play soldiers Or Germany make you use 250fps auto airsoft guns than 350fps UK law is something we all have to abide by (or at least be aware of) Stop looking or at very least stop asking about loopholes please no offense meant or taken, you are only 14 I know (but ease up on asking stuff like that) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutchoz Posted March 25, 2018 Author Share Posted March 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Tommikka said: That could be a bit suspicious, expensive accessories with a ‘free gun’ Gifting is considered fine because the offence is the sale of an IF/RIF to a junior The crime would be committed by the seller, so it’s ‘OK’ for them to do so if they are ‘OK’ with it But they take the risk of you being irresponsible, coming to the attention of the authorities (or your parents) and questions being asked about how you obtained it They are one of my parents friends so they'd have to be okay with it, as they'd have to come with me to get cause I'm not gonna walk through town with a gun case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duff Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 I got my tri-shot springer from justbbgunz, admittedly their service was sh*t as was their customer aftercare but as for the RIF itself, it's never missed a beat. I've had it apart a few times (mainly to strip and repaint it) but $70 I do not regret. Maybe I just got lucky? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Gepard Posted March 25, 2018 Supporters Share Posted March 25, 2018 22 minutes ago, Sitting Duck said: That is sarcasm right ???? Or you was very lucky.... No sarcasm. I've genuinely never heard of the guy before now. I know to stay clear from the website but I never knew who owned it. Did a bit of digging and wow - what a scumbag. 27 minutes ago, hutchoz said: Hey, I've seen a few players from A55. Just wondering, if I bought camo, eye & face pro from someone, and they also gifted me a gun at the same time, would that be allowed? Genuinely don't know. Bit of a grey area for me. I get what you're asking but I'm not sure that anybody would even "gift" it to you in the first place under those circumstances. Nobody at A55 would that's for sure. I certainly wouldn't as it would be my neck on the line if you got into mischief with it. What you could do is ask your parents to buy you a IF and then wrap some gun tape around it when you go and play. Personally I hate two tones but if you're desperate for your own gun that would be the best way about getting one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutchoz Posted March 25, 2018 Author Share Posted March 25, 2018 One of my friends has (could be dad's) a single tone gun, I'll ask him about it, he's also 14 for the record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Sitting Duck Posted March 25, 2018 Supporters Share Posted March 25, 2018 18 minutes ago, hutchoz said: One of my friends has (could be dad's) a single tone gun, I'll ask him about it, he's also 14 for the record. Duck Jnr has nice guns gifted by his stupid dad his dad - moi was entered on ukara to purchase them years ago people had RIF's without a defense (entry on database or site vouching that 18+ player) They can keep their stuff, technically by law they can still GIFT it BUT selling a RIF or even a IF to u18 is a NO NO NO NO NO The 18 year old can buy a IF but to buy a RIF (black/tan gun) that buyer needs defense (a proper legit reason for owning a black peew peew when a 2-tone will do etc....) The SELLER is BREAKING THE LAW, so no what way you dress it up if it isn't GIFTED Then the SELLER is committing an OFFENSE - end of The seller can commit the offense - up to them but from a legal side of things selling a RIF to a person with no defense is not wise & it is illegal too selling a RIF or even an orange IF to u18 is also committing an offense So if you ask me about getting around the law..... All joking aside - stop asking the answer is still nope if he gives it as a GIFT that is OK but NO FUNDS CAN CHANGE HANDS (it isn't a gift then is it, you don't pay Auntie Joe for the Xmas pressie she got you - NOPE) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommikka Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 25 minutes ago, hutchoz said: They are one of my parents friends so they'd have to be okay with it, as they'd have to come with me to get cause I'm not gonna walk through town with a gun case. They would have to be ok with a £5000 fine and a criminal record Far simpler to sell to your parents and have your parents give you a birthday present Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fattyhunter Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 Yeah £5,00 is a maximum at a level 5 and no power of arrest its a summary only offence. I wonder how often this legislation is used in airsoft. More chance of getting shot by a unicorn in a skirmish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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