Nickona Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 I'd ban airsofter for not reading his quotes "real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance" Confucius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airsofter123 Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 I'd ban Nickona for not being able to understand my next quote (translation machines get this wrong btw ) "Mit der Figur der Hedwig Muller hat Böll erneut das Bild einer Geliebten geschaffen, die ähnlich wie die Figur der Cornelia in „Kreuz ohne Liebe“ als unselbstständiges Anhängsel einer männlichen Figur fungiert. Wie Cornelia kommt auch Hedwig kaum zu Wort. Der entscheidende Unterschied zwischen den beiden Konstellationen besteht darin, dass sich die eine Geschichte während des Krieges ereignet, während die andere in der Nachkriegszeit spielt. Insbesondere die schlagartige Veränderung, die Hedwig ungewollt in Walters Leben hervorruft, wird beschrieben. Walter selbst beschreibt diese Veränderung, indem er an die Jahre zurückdenkt, die er mit seiner Verlobten Ulla verbracht hat. Ulla und an die Jahre mit ihr: diese Jahre waren eng geworden, wie ein Hemd, das die Wäsche nicht überstanden hat – die Zeit aber seit Mittag, seit Hedwigs Ankunft, war eine andere Zeit.(Brot 143) Durch sie verändert sich sein Leben zum Positiven. Plötzlich glaubt er, über bisher ungeahnte mathematische, sprachliche und musische Fähigkeiten zu verfügen. (Vgl. Brot 61) Darüber hinaus wird ihm nach sechs Jahren Berufstätigkeit klar, dass er seinen Beruf hasst (Vgl. Brot 62). Auch das Geld erscheint ihm nicht mehr wichtig. (Vgl. Brot 127) Durch Hedwig erkennt er Vieles, dass er vorher verdrängt oder nicht realisiert hat. Sein Selbstwertgefühl erhält enormen Auftrieb. Als Hedwig ihrerseits realisiert, dass Walter an ihrer Seite ein neues Leben beginnen möchte, fügt sie sich diesem Entschluss bedingungslos. Walter einen Neuanfang in Liebe und Beruf ermöglichend, fungiert Hedwig für ihn als Hoffnungsträgerin. Verstärkt wird diese Eigenschaft durch die Farbe „grün“, mit der Hedwig ganze 25-mal in Verbindung gebracht wird. Als Walter sie das erste Mal sieht, fällt ihm sofort ihr Mantel auf. „Er war so grün wie Gras, [...] er war so grün, dass mir schien, er müsse nach Gras riechen.“ (Brot 45) Und als er ihr Blumen kaufen will, wünscht er sich: „Grüne Rosen müsste es geben, [...] Rosen mit grünen Blüten.“ (Brot 51) Während Walter über die ganze Erzählung hinweg sehr aktiv ist, und diese Aktivität durch Hedwig sogar noch eine Steigerung erfährt, ist diese während der gesamten Erzählung sehr passiv. Nur ein einziges Mal wirkt sie etwas aktiver. Als sie an einem Treffpunkt auf Walter wartet, der einige Minuten zu spät kommt, wird sie von einem Mann angespro-chen, an dessen Seite sie in Gedanken ein ganzes Leben in einer Minute gelebt hatte. (Vgl. Brot 137ff.) Diese Szene erweckt den Eindruck, dass Böll Hedwig eine Prüfung auferlegen müsse, um ihre Liebe unter Beweis zu stellen. Hier wird sie erstmals in Versuchung geführt. Somit befindet sie sich in der Situation, in der sie sich zu ihrer Liebe zu Walter bekennen muss. Ein bekannter Rezensent schreibt über die Figur der Hedwig: „Ich halte die Figur für nicht fassbar, weshalb die Liebe zwischen den beiden nicht überzeugend ist.“ " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Liam Porter Posted June 10, 2011 Supporters Share Posted June 10, 2011 I'd ban Airsofter because I don't understand.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters M_P Posted June 10, 2011 Supporters Share Posted June 10, 2011 I'd ban Liam because i can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airsofter123 Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 I'd ban Marksman for not posting a full translation, to prove his understanding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickona Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 I'd ban airsofter because i know german (i actually do though) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MZKaleem Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 I would ban Nick for not putting a translation either! Je me rends!! what you should hear from a french soldier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickona Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 I'd ban zak cuz i don't speak french Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MZKaleem Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 I would ban Nick because, well what do you think would come out of a french soldiers mouth? I S_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickona Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 I'd ban zak because he surrenders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MZKaleem Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 I would ban Nick for calling me a french soldier! OFFENSIVE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyRider Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 I would Ban ELITE for having a Huge Sig... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickona Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 I'd ban jersey rider as i have more subscribers then he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheriffHD Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 id ban nick for being a d*ckhead and making me edit my post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickona Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 I'd ban sheriff for trying to ban JR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Liam Porter Posted June 10, 2011 Supporters Share Posted June 10, 2011 I'd ban Nickona for using 'then' instead of 'than' in a couple of previous posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickona Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 I'd ban LP because I really don't know what the difference is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Liam Porter Posted June 10, 2011 Supporters Share Posted June 10, 2011 I'd ban Nickona for using a 't' instead of a 'y', and for not knowing the difference between then and than. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickona Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 I'd ban Liam for not telling me the difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Liam Porter Posted June 10, 2011 Supporters Share Posted June 10, 2011 I'd ban Nickona for not being able to use a dictionary. "Then" is a measure of time, as in "back then, when I was younger". "Than" is a measure of more or less, as in "His truck is bigger than mine". then 1: at that time2 a: soon after that : next in order of time <walked to the door, then turned> b: following next after in order of position, narration, or enumeration : being next in a series <first came the clowns, then came the elephants> c: in addition : besides <then there is the interest to be paid>3 a (1): in that case <take it, then, if you want it so much> (2)—used after but to qualify or offset a preceding statement <she lost the race, but then she never really expected to win> b: according to that : as may be inferred <your mind is made up, then> c: as it appears : by way of summing up <the cause of the accident, then, is established> d: as a necessary consequence <if the angles are equal, then the complements are equal than 1 a—used as a function word to indicate the second member or the member taken as the point of departure in a comparison expressive of inequality ; used with comparative adjectives and comparative adverbs <older than I am><easier said than done> b—used as a function word to indicate difference of kind, manner, or identity ; used especially with some adjectives and adverbs that express diversity <anywhere else than at home>2: rather than —usually used only after prefer, preferable, and preferably Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheriffHD Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 nick you're banned, you ban me for trying to ban JR. yet you just did........what a bloody retard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airsofter123 Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 I'd ban myself because I keep using annoying quotations, and because I have a squirrel in my signature, which I pretend is a chipmunk but it's not really. So please ban me. Please please please. I'm begging you. And btw Airsofter123, you're just so funny and witty and generally intelligent. One day I hope I can be more like you! Also I should be banned because I know I'll go back and change my previous post and pretend I never wrote this! Signed Nickona That ought to hold up in just about any court of law Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickona Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 I'd ban airsofter because... ITS A BLO*DY CHIPMUNK!!!! OH and forgery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airsofter123 Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 I'd ban Nickona for denying what is clearly a genuine quote... the mere accusation that it's a forgery is libelous and wrong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickona Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 I'd ban airsofter for using overly complicated words as i'm Hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobic (look it up) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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