airsoftwarrior147 Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 ok so i own an ics m4 which im sick of so now im considering buying a new aeg and my two choices are save for a while longer and get the vfc hk417 because its so unique and i love them. or get the g&g combat machine cm18 mod 1- becasue its cheaper and is a cm so its a decent little gun to start/ begin upgrading. opinions please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike1971 Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 I have a CM16 raider-L and love it, but the H&K 417 is seriously sexy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airsoftwarrior147 Posted December 22, 2013 Author Share Posted December 22, 2013 i know i may just get the g&g then sell my ics and my tm shotgun to fund the hk417 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Joe Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 VFC HK417 all the way. I was deciding myself, but now I know it just has to be the 417, I mean look at it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spatch Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 417 pros; external quality is awesome Lovely to handle Fantastic range out of the box 417 cons; internals could be better and you WILL end up upgrading them Mags are stupid expensive compared to m4 mags Mag pouches can be a bit hard to come by Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Joe Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 £40- 500rd hi cap £31- Midcap $40- double open top molle HK417 pouch Land warrior airsoft has both hi caps and midcaps in stock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacMaster Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 £31 for an HK417 midcap compared to £15 for a G&G M4 midcap. Easy choice... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airsoft_Mr B Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 If you're sick of your M4 wouldn't you consider moving away from the AR-15 / STANAG platform and going for a different style of gun? That said though the HK417 does look very nice, I'd go for that if you're confident with doing tech work and upgrading internals etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacMaster Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 And you didn't mind the mag struggle. It isn't difficult to find cheaper 7.62mm size mag pouches though- Begadi make them for MOLLE type systems and they go for about £17 each. Still more expensive and potentially difficult to find then M4 size mag pouches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airsoftwarrior147 Posted December 23, 2013 Author Share Posted December 23, 2013 I'm not sick of m4s just my m4 it's a pain it's never worked properly and I don't get on with it Now I'm swaying towards getting the g&g after Christmas then selling my m4 and shotgun to help fund the 417 with May end up as a dmr I don't really know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacMaster Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 I'm not sick of m4s just my m4 it's a pain it's never worked properly and I don't get on with it Now I'm swaying towards getting the g&g after Christmas then selling my m4 and shotgun to help fund the 417 with May end up as a dmr I don't really know If you're sick of ICS as a manufacturer, why not spend under £300 on a G&G Top Tech M4/M16/HK416/stubby M4? It'll be tonnes more practical, a LOT cheaper and they'll shoot well out of the box. Gen 3 G&Gs go for about £270, Gen 2 go for a lot cheaper- mine was £209. You could always buy G&P; however that's a choice you can make yourself. The general consensus is that they look and feel better than a G&G but don't shoot as well out of the box. If you're handy with gearboxes and upgrade installation you could get a G&P to shoot pretty well with minimal effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Ian_Gere Posted December 27, 2013 Supporters Share Posted December 27, 2013 How long do you think it'll take you to save up for the 417 if you don't manage to get much/anything for your other guns? I say this because you've just told us your M4 is a lemon and besides, most people are going to be a bit skint for a while. I'd say that if you think it's going to take you longer than a month, forget it for now, get the combat machine; if not VFC it up. M14 mag pouches will work, which probably includes those plastic molle ones (which are cheap ACM and the quality is fine - I have 4 double ones myself for my L1A1 mags). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airsoftwarrior147 Posted December 27, 2013 Author Share Posted December 27, 2013 I am I'm buying the one I've shown and managed to get my brother I to airsoft so I sold him my gun for £70 which is buying me a side arm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Ian_Gere Posted December 27, 2013 Supporters Share Posted December 27, 2013 Better of with more mags than a sidearm, mate. &/or a red dot and some mid caps a foregrip box of 5 made by MAG a sling spare mags are always good and... oh yeah, extra mags to slap in your primary will get you out of more trouble than a pistol will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airsoftwarrior147 Posted December 27, 2013 Author Share Posted December 27, 2013 got a sling got mags got an eotech got a foregrip and ive peviously had a glock 23 f which failed me so wanted a new pistol for ages edit-where can i find MAG mid caps cheaply as i cuently have hi-caps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Ian_Gere Posted December 27, 2013 Supporters Share Posted December 27, 2013 fleabay mate - dualdeal shop probably thought so: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MAG-Box-of-5pieces-190rds-Real-Metal-Magazine-for-Airsoft-M4-M16-AEG-MAG029-/190806276790?pt=UK_Sporting_Goods_Paintballing&hash=item2c6cf0bab6 in fact fuck that, check this: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MAG-Box-of-8-pieces-of-130rds-M4-M16-Magazine-for-Airsoft-AEG-Black-MAG014-/200944363459?pt=UK_Sporting_Goods_Paintballing&hash=item2ec937a7c3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airsoftwarrior147 Posted December 27, 2013 Author Share Posted December 27, 2013 Thanks I think I'll grab them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airsoftwarrior147 Posted December 27, 2013 Author Share Posted December 27, 2013 Ok I've ordered the gun but what battery should I get to run it of Ice never used loops but heard there meant to be good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Ian_Gere Posted December 27, 2013 Supporters Share Posted December 27, 2013 I used to be a massive VP Vapex fan, but I'm now having a love affair with Turnigy Nano-Tech LiPo's. Turns out that 11.1V LiPo's need an AB MOSFET too otherwise the gun fires full-auto when semi-auto is selected. I've just recently bought one of these for that purpose, but it is still sitting on my bedside table rather than in Phatima and, since I'm not @home, I can't sort it out and tell you if it's any good. I am going to convert all my guns to 11.1V LiPo's though, one way or another, because I love the super-fast trigger response. It's just a case of finding a reliable MOSFET and a good steel toothed piston to fit them all with. I'm coming to the opinion that pretty much everything else can be left stock, because they are designed to be able to handle much more powerful springs than we can use in the UK, so running the GB with less internal stress but faster ought to work fine, except for the piston teeth, which would probably get more wear due to the sector gear re-engaging the teeth before the thing has come to a full stop after being fired previously, ie during the 'bounce' the AOE will be all over the place. I'm pretty sure that I've found the best option without spending silly money: the ICS drilled aluminium piston and, judging by how good the Pico SSR MOSFET I had until recently was, I expect their AB version to be the way forward - I just couldn't find one in stock anywhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airsoftwarrior147 Posted December 27, 2013 Author Share Posted December 27, 2013 Problem is I'm no tech so I wouldn't trust myself to open it up and change the gearbox also I've no idea about the wiring or how midgets work so until I read about them I probably just stick to NiHMs but it's more a question of what amp/ voltage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spatch Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 Just buy a couple of 7.4v lipos from component shop and a GOOD charger, don't open up a brand new gun, it will A invalidate your warranty and B it's not the place to be learning about gearboxes, find something old to have as a backup that you can open up with out too many worries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Ian_Gere Posted December 27, 2013 Supporters Share Posted December 27, 2013 VP Vapex 1600mAh 9.6V nunchuck x 2 (1 backup use them alternately) / unfortunately OOS right now, but they'll have more soon i'm sure. Or, as Spatch says, get 7.4V LiPo's - hobbyking.com / to really get the benefit of how quickly LiPo's can deliver their peak current, go for a minimum of 25C, but 30C is better - you will see airsoft LiPo's advertised with 20C on average and also 15C - ignore that. A motor has to overcome inertia to get going so trigger response is not only determined by Voltage, but also by the time it takes from the first microscopic arc, as the switch closes, to that peak as the motor gets going. The higher the "C" rating, the faster this can happen. You will also get better results from LiPo battery packs with far more capacity than you actually need, so look for something of at least 1300-1350mAh, but preferably 1600, 2000, 2300. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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