southernsoftie Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 I'm looking to buy one or the other and was very tempted by the vfc mp5 gbb until I heard the negative reviews. Have also been looking at the the G&G M4 range which look pretty good and are very well priced. TM MP7A1 looks great. Any opinions or first hand experience would be very useful. Cheers guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters jcheeseright Posted July 29, 2013 Supporters Share Posted July 29, 2013 the TM MP7A1 is indeed great (best gun I own) but good luck getting one for £250 with enough mags to make it skirmishable. I've heard mixed reviews of the G&G GBBs as a lot of parts appear to be proprietary (not a good thing!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unrustle_Thine_Jimmies Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 GHK G5. Great kick and very gas efficiant & resistant to cool down. It's usually available for less than 250£ outside of the UK,but it seems it's more expensive by 15£. http://www.milspecsolutions.co.uk/shop/sub-machine-guns/ghk-g5-gas-blowback-carbine/ http://www.airsoftworld.net/ghk-g5-gbb-airsoft-rifle.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters M_P Posted July 29, 2013 Supporters Share Posted July 29, 2013 Don't bother with the g&g ones they're crap. The ghk g5 is meant to be quite good as UtJ said but its not a.real gun so again.I wouldn't bother with it. I'm pretty sure you can get kwa SMGs for £250, and but the mac10/11 are a good bet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Airsoft-Ed Posted July 29, 2013 Supporters Share Posted July 29, 2013 I don't like that it has a bolt lock on empty feature, yet you still need to rack the charging handle to release it, because there's no other way to. What the hell is the point?Says to me that they were too lazy to design a mech to knock the hammer out of line with the mag valve, so they just made the bolt lock to prevent it dry firing. Bolt locks are easier to do, so it's just like they're cutting corners or something.Otherwise I do think it looks pretty cool. I'd love if they made an ACR using the same system, especially if they did it so you could get the 7.62 mags and all the interchangeable parts and everything, that'd be awesome. Gay Magpul =[ What about the new SMG8 by WE? I think they're about £190? Aren't their G39 series rifles around the £200 mark as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubert Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 Last I checked W.E.'s G39 (the basic G36C model) cost £220 at MilSpec. So £250 should get you an extra magazine and postage. The things are pretty damn good, very little modification required to get them working. MilSpec sell them with the NPAS regulator already installed too. Although upgraded bolts (by RA-Tech) are available, they aren't absolutely necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters M_P Posted July 29, 2013 Supporters Share Posted July 29, 2013 The smg8 looks hidious Ed Though good shout on the g39's, great guns just need to use .28's or heavier else they skyrocket upwards. they're £209 at justcause airsoft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southernsoftie Posted July 29, 2013 Author Share Posted July 29, 2013 Tks guys, all very useful. Might be able to stretch to £300 for the MP7 if enough people on here recommend it :-) ....must admit I'm put off the GHK due to the fact its not based on a real weapon. Have looked at the WE PDW and M4 as they sound likethey have powerful blowback which is always a good thing but are they well built enough to last? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Airsoft-Ed Posted July 29, 2013 Supporters Share Posted July 29, 2013 The SMG8 is hideous, and not technically a real weapon either, since it's a terrible copy of the MP7, but it is cheap, that's the only reason I mentioned it. As for WE guns being built well enough to last... No. Their G36 series are, from what people say. But their M4 series most definitely aren't, nor is the PDW from what I've read.I'm planning on an M4 or an L85 as my next gun though, I just can't decide which. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters M_P Posted July 29, 2013 Supporters Share Posted July 29, 2013 Yeah the m4 would benefit from new internals, especially a CWI set of trigger components. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tariq Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 I can recommend a WE M4. However mine is the RA tech upgraded one. The gen3 pdw is alright too. The GHK is based on the scorpion evo, just chambered in 5.56 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unrustle_Thine_Jimmies Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 I would personally get the G5 just for the good performance,but the biggest downside of it,is that mags can run for 50 dollars a piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters M_P Posted July 29, 2013 Supporters Share Posted July 29, 2013 I would personally get the G5 just for the good performance,but the biggest downside of it,is that mags can run for 50 dollars a piece. It's not the only gbbr with good performance though, the majority of WE's line up perform very well. With mags at that price I think you would be better off going for something based on a real gun. Even if the intial outlay is a bit more, once mags are bought it would still be cheaper, and look like a real rifle and if you go for the right one, will shoot well too. The g5 as said by Tariq is kind of based on the scorpion evo, but only in shape, they still look quite different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tariq Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 Different, but there is a resemblance. Looks good enough to actually be a CZ so why not. It looks miles better than the UAR or any other made up airsoft gun. CZ Scorpion Evo: GHK G5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Airsoft-Ed Posted July 29, 2013 Supporters Share Posted July 29, 2013 I don't understand why they didn't just actually make it into a Scorpion Evo, I'd far prefer it to be based of something real with a little artistic license to get around the copyright, than them make it a different calibre, causing it to be completely different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters M_P Posted July 29, 2013 Supporters Share Posted July 29, 2013 That's my point, dont get me wrong it's probably a great gun to shoot and to own but when for basically the same price you can get something like a WE scar which is a real rifle, I personally don't see the benefit... gbbr's are meant to be realistic after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southernsoftie Posted July 29, 2013 Author Share Posted July 29, 2013 http://specialairsoftsupplies.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=103&product_id=528 http://www.zerooneairsoft.com/product_info.php?cPath=268_317&products_id=5561 The more I look at the PDW the more I like it - the GHK version I mean. Anyone know why there is such a huge difference in price for what appears to be the same gun on zeroone and SAS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zak Da Mack Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 http://specialairsoftsupplies.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=103&product_id=528 http://www.zerooneairsoft.com/product_info.php?cPath=268_317&products_id=5561 The more I look at the PDW the more I like it - the GHK version I mean. Anyone know why there is such a huge difference in price for what appears to be the same gun on zeroone and SAS? DONT ORDER OFF SPECIAL AIRSOFT SUPPLIES!!! So many people complain that there gun doesn't arrive as it mysteriously disappears into thin air. Probably why it's so cheap :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters M_P Posted July 29, 2013 Supporters Share Posted July 29, 2013 Sas are scammers.The ghk pdw is good, internally it's pretty much the same as the Ghk G5- only it's based on a real gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southernsoftie Posted July 29, 2013 Author Share Posted July 29, 2013 Cheers for the warning re SAS - thought it was too good to be true. Great forum this, people happy to advise/pass on valuable info etc, genuinely useful when you're new to airsoft and want to make the right choices. Anyone know where I can get the GHK PDW for less than Zeroone are charging? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaroldTheFear Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 I just ordered the G5 today, from milspec. Can't wait to get it. Not bothered about being real or a fictitious dream someone had, looks cool and gets great reviews. Mags are expensive but that's what credit cards are for, so my bank manager tells me, with a big grin on his face. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southernsoftie Posted July 30, 2013 Author Share Posted July 30, 2013 Let me know what you think mate, as I may still be tempted. I must admit the reviews and YouTube vids are all positive and the recoil looks decent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tariq Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 My friend is really enjoying his. Its surprisingly light as its all polymer and light metals. Some of the metals seem quite cheap, but there is a lot of it so it wont be breaking quite so soon, unlike WE who use cheap metals, on really thin parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaroldTheFear Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Let me know what you think mate, as I may still be tempted. I must admit the reviews and YouTube vids are all positive and the recoil looks decent. Will do. It just arrived today, still at work though :-(. Will have a play later and get outside with it tomorrow. Had a go on one at an Ambush game site a month back, pretty much what sold it to me. Very light (as said above) and the kick is something else. Iain at milspec can't rate it enough, said he's struggling to find any flaws at all. The only 'rumours' going round is that the bolt catch can break off, he has had one customer report that but others seem to be fine, a third party company has produced cnc replacements though but ghk say not to go down that route, as you'd expect, maybe they'll provide higher quality replacements if it does become an issue. Iain has topped up of standard parts for this in the mean time anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaroldTheFear Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 My friend is really enjoying his. Its surprisingly light as its all polymer and light metals. Some of the metals seem quite cheap, but there is a lot of it so it wont be breaking quite so soon, unlike WE who use cheap metals, on really thin parts. I remember thinking the rails felt quite cheap, might see if they come off easy enough to replace, loosing out on how light it is as a compromise though. Other than that it felt good quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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