Clothes

[TacMaster]

If you look on cadetdirect.co.uk there is a veritable goldmine of cheap gear, many forms of headgear, gloves, boots, combat jackets etc.

[Sam_G]

If you have no budget for fancy gear then you can skirmish in your pants as long as you have eye protection.

 

Cheap kit can be found if you look.

 

I got brand new MTP PCS smock & UBACS and MTP 95 cut combats for £40! and then a pair of Issue Dessert Lowas as new for £15! So £55 for the latest British issue kit most of which was brand new!

 

Think its been said but the only things i would say you really need is quality eye pro and some quality boots.

[xiJamesss]

DPM, A-TACs, MTP, explain?

[Jubigala]

DPM (Disruptive Pattern Material) used by British Army for a long time. Greens, basically. Anytime you see a British soldier not in deserts, they will be in greens. DPM 95 is what you can buy, almost everywhere that sells camo, and it is cheap and does the job.. it's just not new thing on the block. The 95 refers to the colouring and updated pattern. Refers to both Woodland and Desert colourings.

 

A-TACS - Quite a new camo pattern, very expensive because it is new, it comes in foliage (FG) or arid/urban (AU). Very effective, but as said.. you won't get it cheap, but it will be new.

 

MTP (Multi Terrain Pattern) Latest favoured camo by many forces, MTP is the british pattern version of Multicam, but it has more of a DPM pattern (not colouring). You can't buy it in the shop comercially, but multicam and camogrom are most similar which are sold.. but again, both are fairly expensive. I did see some MTP on ebay, ex-issue and wasn't cheap.. and choice is extremely limited.

 

I've just opened a website/facebook page with this kind of info. www.modernwarfarecamouflage.moonfruit.com or Modern Warfare camouflage on FB. Sites are not finished, but will have images you require.

 

Camo has 3 uses.

 

1st use.. helps you blend in with the terrain. Doesn't make you invisible, however.. but does make you harder to visualise at close and long range.

2nd use.. makes you look like a real soldier in an airsoft game. This is quite important for both the having the 'look' and 'fitting in'.

3rd use.. The clothing is designed for harshness. It's a good investment as it will take a hammering.

 

Camo doesn't have to be patterned, but generally stay away from solid colours, and try to go for dark digital or tigerstripes perhaps in dark urban arenas.

 

If I was you, I'd go with any Flecktarn pattern, DPM 95's (greens) to start with. Then once you get better, get a nice set of newer gear.. I say that because you've have saved your hard earned moolah on ruining a brand new kit loadout while you tread the boards.

 

If you can get some, try Danish Flecktarn. It's same as german flecktarn ('tarn' meaning pattern, fleck meaning 'round blobs' I would assume). Ebay may have some, but in my opinion flecktarn is a great pattern in varying climates, but the difference is that this one comes in green/dark green.

 

If you really want to impress, try some Alpenflage! (kidding) ebay it. The funny side of camo.

[xiJamesss]

Cheers, and i want alpen!

[Nickona]

Cheers, and i want alpen!

 

Alpenflage? Thanks not going to be especially cheap...

 

For cheaper camo you want to look at camos that were issue and were in service with an army for a long time and are now either lightly used in not in service (surplus to requirements)

For examples: DPM, DDPM (desert DPM), US Woodland, Flecktarn, US Tri-Colour desert, 6-colour us desert ( and kinda UCP/ACU)

 

Most other patterns are going to be more expensive as they are either newer (A-TACS), very popular (Multicam), or rarer (like Auscam)

 

If you want a different or more popular camo it will be more expensive as the sellers know they can sell it for more (for instance Multicam costs no more than flecktarn, UCP/ACU or any other flat pattern to produce but the reason its so expensive is that they know people will pay that amount and there's high demand)

[Sam_G]

MTP (Multi Terrain Pattern) Latest favoured camo by many forces, MTP is the british pattern version of Multicam, but it has more of a DPM pattern (not colouring). You can't buy it in the shop comercially, but multicam and camogrom are most similar which are sold.. but again, both are fairly expensive. I did see some MTP on ebay, ex-issue and wasn't cheap.. and choice is extremely limited.

 

 

MTP is readily available in loads of shops. My local high street surplus has it, Zero In sells it and there is a ton of it on ebay. You can get it cheap if you look.

[Tariq]

Just go with DPM.

 

Yeah its common as mud but thats a good thing.

Mine has lasted 3 years and going, and picked it up (trousers, jacket and shirt) for around a tenner.

http://www.flecktarn.co.uk/british.html

Used stuff is actually pretty good quality. And they accidentally shipped me new trousers instead of used ones once

[TacMaster]

I'd like it if a company manufactured the current combat uniform in DPM. The only bad thing about DPM is that all the clothing was designed pre 1995, I'd like newer designs in DPM.

[Nickona]

MTP is readily available in loads of shops. My local high street surplus has it, Zero In sells it and there is a ton of it on ebay. You can get it cheap if you look.

 

What he means is that its not where nearly as commercially available as other camos and yes while you can get the odd bits of issued kit if you look, most of it is actually cheap knock-off stuff (like Helikon MP or the ATP stuff), while its not illegal to sell anymore the only people who can make proper MTP kit is the MoDs contractors as they don't commercially sell the material to whoever wants it. However, this kit is now gradually becoming more widely available, eBay is probably your best bet with MTP

 

I'd like it if a company manufactured the current combat uniform in DPM. The only bad thing about DPM is that all the clothing was designed pre 1995, I'd like newer designs in DPM.

 

I know Claw Gear do some of their new stuff in DPM

[Jubigala]

MTP and Multicam are different. Multicam is the same colourway as MTP, but is a 'hybrid' pattern of Multicam and DPM patterns. Of course you can get MTP. It's just available as new commercially, and if you get it, it is likely it has been issued. Whether that means it's been used is another matter. Camogrom is very similar also, and that is commercially available from Helikon-Tex (being Polish pattern and Polish seller)

 

STANDARD MULTICAM

 

ISSUED MTP

[Nickona]

MTP and Multicam are different. Multicam is the same colourway as MTP, but is a 'hybrid' pattern of Multicam and DPM patterns. Of course you can get MTP. It's just available as new commercially, and if you get it, it is likely it has been issued. Whether that means it's been used is another matter. Camogrom is very similar also, and that is commercially available from Helikon-Tex (being Polish pattern and Polish seller)

 

 

STANDARD MULTICAM

 

ISSUED MTP

 

 

Erm thats not issued MTP, thats the Helikon rip-off of MTP they call it MP I think. Also Camogram is Helikon's rip-off of multicam as well.

 

But as said above, the colour pallet (basically the colours that make up the pattern) are exactly the same in actual Multicam and MTP, its just the pattern thats different in MTP where the shapes being slightly elongated ot be more similar to DPM to give it a "more British look".

 

In the picture below Crye Multicam is on the left and British MTP on the right...

 

[xiJamesss]

First time i have ha a topic going onto its 3rd page, and jts labeled 'hot' hahaa sorry had to be said

[bigshep]

Thats because you mentioned camo, and now all the geardo's have gotten onto the "no thats the wrong pattern", that's the right pattern", "that's the wrong year", "this is bestest"...etc

[jcheeseright]

But ATACS is best and everything else is like dressing up as a lollypop lady.

 

Obviously.

[Nickona]

But ATACS is best and everything else is like dressing up as a lollypop lady.

 

Obviously.

 

[TPI]

ATACS Is Best Because it's the newest Most exspenive thing

 

Obviously.

 

Lick me.

 

yes of course he is being sarcastic same thing happened when Multicam first came out people!!!

 

Off topic:

Notice how if you take away the top layer's on multicam it look's like ATACS AU

 

sorry i dunno where it was but that resemblance would show's the prototype for AU was knocking about atleast the same time. (Going back to somepoint where we were saying about ATAC's vs Multicam for the US Army Testing)

[M_P]

Multicam was made way before a-tacs, its been around since before 2004, it was a contender for the US army way back but was beaten by ACU. People think its newer than it is as it was only recently in the last few years adopted for use.

 

They may have similarities but a-tacs is only about five years old, its seems to me that if they had prototypes for it way back ten years ago then it would've been released a lot earlier. There'd be no reason to wait?

 

 

[Nickona]

yes of course he is being sarcastic same thing happened when Multicam first came out people!!!

 

Off topic:

Notice how if you take away the top layer's on multicam it look's like ATACS AU

 

sorry i dunno where it was but that resemblance would show's the prototype for AU was knocking about atleast the same time. (Going back to somepoint where we were saying about ATAC's vs Multicam for the US Army Testing)

 

I would like to point out that A-TACS is actually the same price, if not cheaper than a lot of multicam products

And FG is certainly more effective in a woodland enviroment

 

Anyhooo... on to your off topic bit it was at the 2010 replacement for UCP in Afghanistan that As far as I know A-TACS was trialed but lost out to multicam as it was too complex to make in their current manufacturing procees (its due to MC being a flat pattern and A-TACS a 3Done you have to dye them differently or something)

 

Multicam was made way before a-tacs, its been around since before 2004, it was a contender for the US army way back but was beaten by ACU. People think its newer than it is as it was only recently in the last few years adopted for use.

 

They may have similarities but a-tacs is only about five years old, its seems to me that if they had prototypes for it way back ten years ago then it would've been released a lot earlier. There'd be no reason to wait?

 

Its only become really common after 2010 when the US started using it for Afghan operations.

 

Also I imagine most of these companies would have test and prototype pattern around years before they finalise them.. look how long it took them to make FG. Also if they're going for a defense contract bid, most companies wouldn't release their patters until afterwards. I know Crye have made a new pattern which they're bidding with for the new US contract and there are some new US Govt. designed ones as well but they aren't showing anyone what they are.

 

Also Marcus *UCP not ACU

 

 

Again off topic, one thing I do hate is that all the governments (inc US) have gotten into this weird obsession with digital patterns, probably because they look all futuristic. Never are there right angle seen anywhere in nature, and even in cities plain colours are better. I also disagree with the idea of "universal" camo patterns, its a contradiciton in terms really.. yes you can have some that perform wellish across many areas but ultimately they'd be beaten by a specialist pattern. Thats why I think MTP should have replaced DDPM, and there should have been another replacement for DPM, as MTP is a arid/desert pattern. Rant over...

[Jubigala]

You could always invest in a bush, James. But as a rank, you'd have to start as Privet First Class. Haha.

 

My advice, as a new air-softer is to buy some Flecktarn. You can get it in ACU cut (modern style combat uniform) or BDU (issued) which is basically a shirt, but it very cheap, and effective. or if you want to be British, DPM.. same reasons.. but you may struggle to find DPM in an ACU cut.

 

@ Nickona - Thanks for the comparison with MTP/Multicam. And I agree about digital patterns, though SURPAT looks very effective?

[Nickona]

You could always invest in a bush, James. But as a rank, you'd have to start as Privet First Class. Haha.

 

My advice, as a new air-softer is to buy some Flecktarn. You can get it in ACU cut (modern style combat uniform) or BDU (issued) which is basically a shirt, but it very cheap, and effective. or if you want to be British, DPM.. same reasons.. but you may struggle to find DPM in an ACU cut.

 

@ Nickona - Thanks for the comparison with MTP/Multicam. And I agree about digital patterns, though SURPAT looks very effective?

 

No worries..

 

As for cuts of material.. BDU (Battle dress uniform) is the old US style clothing, very good and simple (I got my A-TACS FG in BDUs)

ACU (Army Combat Uniform) is the newer version of BDU with all the velcro etc (I have my A-TACS AU in ACU) The issued ACU has had some bad press but its generally quite good

[i personally would go for BDU bottoms and ACU or UBACS (Under body armour combat shirt) top]

 

British kit comes in Soldier 95 for new DPM basically very similar to BDUs

and MTP now comes in PCS (Personal Clothing System) which is similar to ACU

 

Generally speaking ACUs are more expensive than BDUs

[Sam_G]

MTP also comes in S95 cut.

 

I would say buy what ever camo you like the look of. The debate of what camo is best will go on for ever as its all personal preference.

[Nickona]

MTP also comes in S95 cut.

 

It did for a short while when it was just issued to touring troops before PCS came out. MTP in 95 cut isn't very common anymore, although there are a few jackets kicking about

[Jubigala]

UBACS or ACU cut for the serious airsofter IMO, as you can have all the velcro patches. I've just gone for the BDU shirt myself. Cheap, does the job for the first few skirmishes and is nice to have a slight classic retro look.

[M_P]

I have some nick

 

To be honest most camo is expensive for what it is, with the exceptions of the few cheaper ones like dpm etc and those lucky ******** like juni0r who get a brilliant deal