Supporters Richard65 Posted September 23, 2012 Supporters Share Posted September 23, 2012 Is there a price point where you stop getting improved pefrormance and are paying more for looks/detail on the guns? I was thinking mainly of aegs where people recommend good starter guns at around £150, then you get guns like the G&G top tech for £250+ with tight bore barrels, high torque motors, improved wiring etc. When you start going above this are you getting better quality and reliability or are you paying for `branding' etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grounded_Pilot Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 Is there a price point where you stop getting improved pefrormance and are paying more for looks/detail on the guns? I was thinking mainly of aegs where people recommend good starter guns at around £150, then you get guns like the G&G top tech for £250+ with tight bore barrels, high torque motors, improved wiring etc. When you start going above this are you getting better quality and reliability or are you paying for `branding' etc. I'd say, anything past £250 is either upgraded, rare or has either extremely genuine functions/looks. If I ever buy another M4, it's gonna be a G&G Combat Machine! Same for MP5s! People say "oooh, TM/G&P/Systema, etc etc are sooo much better!" ...So why don't you just buy a cheap one and upgrade it for less than doing the same with another more expensive brand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Richard65 Posted September 23, 2012 Author Supporters Share Posted September 23, 2012 I'd say, anything past £250 is either upgraded, rare or has either extremely genuine functions/looks. If I ever buy another M4, it's gonna be a G&G Combat Machine! Same for MP5s! People say "oooh, TM/G&P/Systema, etc etc are sooo much better!" ...So why don't you just buy a cheap one and upgrade it for less than doing the same with another more expensive brand. When you say upgrades, would these make the gun more accurate and reliable or would it be mainly to improve the looks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tariq Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 depends on price range. M4s are cheap because there are so many of them. Looking at different guns, 350 might be considered cheap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grounded_Pilot Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 I usually mean internals, such as stronger ones or better ones to improve the gun overall. depends on price range. M4s are cheap because there are so many of them. Looking at different guns, 350 might be considered cheap Yes, I.E. I happily paid £280 posted for a G&G FN2000 Hunter... £115 cheaper than ZeroOne!!! But I would never pay that for a G36 or M4, not really. Have to be special indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Richard65 Posted September 23, 2012 Author Supporters Share Posted September 23, 2012 Just seen an advert in a magazine and the Systema M4A1 at £1499 and the shop also sells a G&P M4A1 that looks quite similar for £205. Quite confusing for us newbies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tariq Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 systema is a whole different league to a standard M4. Awesome, but bang for buck not really great. £280 was the limit for my first gun (G36). TM would have been nice but the Recoil K was a tad too expensive for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rschris Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 I paid £159 for my G36C. SRC Gen III I have modified it and played with it and out shoots many guns in terms of accuracy and ROF. Would I spend £500+ buying one already done ....... No. I would want to do it myself all over again and make it my own. As I'm probably going to do with an M4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigshep Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 Most of my guns have been sub £200 cyma's or SRC gen 3's. I have had once ICS which was more and one Real Sword which was quite a bit more. Out of all of them I would rate my Real sword, of my cymas, over my ics, over the src's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Airsoft-Ed Posted September 25, 2012 Supporters Share Posted September 25, 2012 I think that sometimes the price can be high for different reasons. For example, you can get guns that are good for long range, short range, mid range, having a high fire rate, some guns might be really rare, or super common, have a lot of spare parts, or hardly any etc etc. The best guns in these classes are going to be highly expensive and if you're not wanting to buy it for the reason it is priced so highly, it's going to seem really unduly expensive. Say, if you just want a general purpose AEG, that's good for everything and you start looking at something built for sniper range and accuracy built into a carbine sized package, then you're going to find that the gun seems stupidly expensive. That is the general difference between say, a CYMA and a Systema. I think that with some guns though, they sort of get this reputation for being really good at something from a few people and it just sort of spreads around and people get brainwashed by it. I call it 'Tokyo Marui Syndrome', due to how everyone I talk to says Marui's have immense range and are the best guns out there, but to me they're just crap. They're plastic, which I hate (when anything else is plastic, it's cheaper because plastics are cheaper than metals, so why does Marui get away with being MORE than most metal guns?), they're sub 300fps which I hate and the range on them is appauling, I don't care what anyone says. People are brainwashed by expectation. Also, higher fps does give more range, it's a simple physical principle. The more force there is behind something, the further it will go. Sure a good hop unit helps, but a Marui hop unit at 300 fps is not going to match an equivalent hop unit at 350fps, or even 301fps because the extra force does stand for something. ANYWAY, I generally agree that you get to a point where the guns are stupidly priced. I would never pay £1500 for a Systema when it's possible to upgrade a £150 AK (or anything else for that matter) to have the same performance for a fraction of the price if you know what you're doing. Once you get past the £600 mark you're just paying silly money. But up to £600 I think you are paying for quality products, good parts, nice materials, well finished, functional etc. Once you go past £600 you're just getting the same thing, but for more than £600. I think Systemas are 'sort of' an exception because they're built for the purpose of military training from the ground up and since they're being marketed to a governmental institution with a seemingly unlimited budget, they might as well milk it for all its worth. I know I would if I were producing Systemas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshcowin Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 it all depends on reliability and internals or what furniture i mean as ed said tm are not the best aegs but was one of the first aegs so people keep the name rolling,ive had a src g36c and i wish i never got rid of it,i thought it wasent that good then found out later that it was the dogs really,great accuracy and range,solid as a rock and cheap which is good for a first aeg,ive had a G&G m4 combat machine at £110,brilliant gun not amazing externals but has kept on going and has been through the wars.ive got a ics sportsline now and again brillant.price doesnt always mean quality.i think i would rather pay cheap and upgrade myself or do what im doing now and building a aeg from the ground up so i can choose what i want and get the right price.personally i think systemas a gimick,i mean your buying a gun for £1300 you shouldnt have to pay a extra £150 to make it waterproof and shoot well,okay its a ptw but so are celcius and they are half the price.theres my two pence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kungfumonkey Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 hmmm buy a standard systema m4 carbine (by standard i mean looks like a standard m4a1) for £1300 or buy a g&g top tech m4a1 for £250 and spend the extra £1000 on making it look like my dream m4 and buying my dream load out easy choice really. but imo the only thing that warrents the extra money is when you get things like the tm recoil series, custom builds like pro airsofts chewie customs ( limited number builds) or collecters pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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