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Easily set up as not for profit. Would also likely get government grants. Reduced rate for students? 50%. Or a pay and play system. £1/2 per player per game. Also set up an official escro body, let's call it pew pal, all rifs including air rifles would have to b sold using it. This way details could be tracked and £3 from each party would be taken. I take the point that site struggle so let's make retailers pay a fee to be able to sell all rifs in the uk. £1000 per retailer and all would have to meet up to our codes of practice regarding honesty and relalistic performance. Under 18s would join for free and still have to two tone there rifle but would still require registration. And by gun sold to the public would have to be no greater than 50fps. Happy to hear any objections, love a problem to solve.

Could not agree with u more. It is a problem we have brought on our selves. It may take things to get worse before they get betta. It's far to easy in this country. No job? Make them clean the steers for there money. Get arrest, no dole for u. Still breaking the law, two choice prison or the army. We need to take a harder line with these people. I total understand y u feel that way, it's seems that there is so much focus on keeping the lowest happy, y because the vote in great numbers. Middle Briton is always goin goin to bear the brunt because it represents the biggest pot of tax money to draw from.

Wouldnt cost if we all paid for it. Make it the law for us to all sign up to own rifs and say 5000 players paying ££50 a year plus £1000 from each site per year. Not sure how meny sites there are in the uk but turnover generated from players would be £250000. Then instead of all bitching about it we would have a real voice. Y do u think the rspb gets its own way all the time. There's somewhere to start.

seeing how u r talking directly about an area of business I have a great deal of knowledge and am based in Liverpool I feel well qualified to tell that the business that are failing are (as a whole) stuck in that past. We are stuck to the ideals and lack the ability to move with the times. Niche markets they may be however niche market often represent the highest yields. Our biggest problem by far in this country is the "why should i do it " attitude. In Bread scum bag families and the desire to get back as much as possible of as little effort in. Y do we hoist people like joey Essex on a pillar when there are men and woman up and down the country who give so much. If we all did a bit more and moaned a bit less about what's goin wrong we would finally be Great Britain again. It's what would have happened 60 years ago. No tax credits then, u wanted it u earned it!

Am sorry but our family has run a business in the uk for over 50+ years. And we still continue to grow. So major brands Aston Martin, rolls all are reporting record export sales. 90% of f1 cars are built in the uk. I agree we can't offer the same value for money as other nations but lest not focus on what we can't do instead let's focus of the thing that we are great at. To say we can't compete is total mis informed. There was call for the government to subsidise a steel factory a few months back. But why? If it isn't turning a profit close it and find a way to make money? Profit seems to be a dirty word in this country however anyone who runs any successful organisation will tell u they need to have a positive balance sheet. The only people who apear to be unaware of this is politicians.

And not wanting to get political but I agree with prof. We need to stay in Europe. I wouldnt want to cut my nose to spite my face.

Could ukara be upgraded? They were asking £5 per year but how can anyone get anythin done for that money! If we wanted a combined body it would prob cost £50 per year. As there are so few of us. Sites could pay more. I still think it could represent great value. Help promote our sport and bring in new blood. Paintball did it and I think our sport if far more exciting but maybe less viewer friendly. And wen we spend £1000s on kit what's £4 ish a month.

http://ukapu.org.uk Looks like we hav been beat to it

Atleast we all know u take ur hits lol. Would u/anyone pay into a pot if it was set up in the same way as ukara? And if the sites had to pay in aswell? That way we would all have a full time voice and an official body? (I hear Seb blatter will b looking for a job soon)

Thank you for saving me half an hour of my life.

it would depend on what the full extent of it was; are they planning to make us all two tone? Wouldn't really bother me, I don't play much mil sim but I can see it would put a lot of people off. I think they would be betta implementing a more closely monitored licensing stystem. Would only need to be an extension of the current ukara. One where we all have to provide crb checks and photo ID, etc and all pay in a small amount each year. In return we would get a unified voice that would maintain our 'sport'. This has been very effective for fishing.

What an idiot. Walking in London with a rif and a mask on. What did he expect. Any idea y he was doin it? (Going to a Party) Also where does the suit case fit into it?

As my wife would say; Let's just agree ur wrong and forget about it

Lol. Knew that would get u. Night ? Obviously no hard feelings. Difficult to take offence in life after have fought too meny people ( boxing ) then had a hug at the end and usually drinks aswell. It's a weird world.

It's too late for a full I depth discussion however I , like u , am intitled to my own opinion. It is quite clear for the tone of your message that what u wish to do is impose ur view onto other apose to have a logical debate. If u disagree say so then f@ck off. And leave anyone else who wishes to discuss it in a mature fashion to continue. If u have a problem with necro posts then u only exacerbate the situation further posting on that thread therefore showing that actually u are in favour of it. Am sure you will find unwitty and possibly condescending way of further adding strength to you view but don't bother, if ur aim is to derail every thread or post U don't agree with then u must live a very sad and lonely life.

Also think that with events of the last few weeks this has renewed interest

Goin to hav to disagree. Fire arms officers are chosen because they don't want to shoot people. Anythin that allows them to increase the level of reaction before using lethal force is surely a good thing. Take for example the poor commuter who was shot it London (I believe) on his was to work because he had a back pack. Tazer carry a lot of risk. Anyone with a heart condition is dead, pacemaker dead, etc.

One I posted against was today. ?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-X5vUXdwABs I think that is we're somthin like this or a tazer is an effective piece of kit.

http://www.airsoftworld.net/twintalker-9500-airsoft-edition-pmr-radio-deluxe-set.html

http://m.ebay.com.au/itm/Nylon-Waterproof-PRC148-MBITR-Radio-Pouch-MOLLE-Airsoft-Holder-Case-Army-BLACK-/120868596973

http://m.aliexpress.com/item/32339582308.html?tracelog=storedetail2mobilesitedetail

am sure there are water proof ones on the market. There a lot of water proof vhf radios. I'd imagin some makes one u could use. (Not a vhf obvs)

Bags are only 5p as long as he employs more than 200 people.

Can go one better, see dreamer thread.