Optimising standard aeg?

[wadsy]

Would "optimising" a standard rif improve its performance, and what could this involve?

 

Or, would modifications and replacement parts be required?

 

Any advice greatly appreciated.

 

Cheers

[Austeyr]

As long as the parts you use all mesh well together, then the likelihood of it improving performance is favourable. However, your questions are extremely vague...

 

What is currently "wrong" or dissatisfactory with your RIF, what do you want it to do that it currently doesn't? How much are you looking to spend? Are you taking it to a tech to do or doing it yourself?

 

There's a lot of factors that need to be answered before you can get any sort of viable help

[Baser]

I suppose the first question is what don't you like about the way it currently shoots?

 

In my small collection I have 2 of the same gun one has been upgraded, one is standard. 

 

The upgraded gun has

 

Extended tightbore barrel (covered by a suppressor) - Slightly more power, slightly better accuracy 

4uantum hop rubber and nub - Again more accuracy and consistency 

Gate Aster Mosfet - Mostly for trigger response if I am honest but also more programming and set up options and pre cocking 

Brushless motor - Slightly faster rate of fire, less electricity used per shot

Upgraded cylinder - more consistency and tuned for the barrel length

Shimmed to within an inch of its life - makes it quieter and a lot smoother

 

The standard gun (bought used as a spare) is standard apart from the hop rubber and nub. 

 

You can tell the difference if you shoot them back to back, the unmodified gun is just a bit cruder, noisier, a little more inconstant, has a slower trigger response and uses more battery power but I am happy to use either gun as individually they behave very much the same. 

 

So question is what do you want that your current gun doesn't give you?

 

 

[wadsy]

I'm basically asking if a standard gun can be "optismised" for performance: range/accuracy with the parts it has fitted, such as adjustments or lubing etc, or would this type of basic "optimising" require parts to be added, like gearbox shims?... different hop rubber etc.

 

I don't know if there is anything wrong per se, just wanted to try and make it as good as it can be without it being modified, maybe addressing any weak points of the out-of-the-box set-up, a bit like servicing a car I suppose.

 

To make sure it's tip-top without spending out too much. I don't mind taking it to  a tech if it's worthwhile, but if the work wouldn't be too complicated I may try myself!

 

Does that make more sense? 🙂

 

Cheers

[Baser]

Yes, 

 

Book it in for a service with a good gun tech and they will shim, clean and grease the gearbox.  A hop rubber and nub and it will improve your shot consistency and quiet the gun down. 

 

Should be possible for around £50. 

 

[Austeyr]

29 minutes ago, wadsy said:

I'm basically asking if a standard gun can be "optismised" for performance: range/accuracy with the parts it has fitted, such as adjustments or lubing etc, or would this type of basic "optimising" require parts to be added, like gearbox shims?... different hop rubber etc.

 

I don't know if there is anything wrong per se, just wanted to try and make it as good as it can be without it being modified, maybe addressing any weak points of the out-of-the-box set-up, a bit like servicing a car I suppose.

 

To make sure it's tip-top without spending out too much. I don't mind taking it to  a tech if it's worthwhile, but if the work wouldn't be too complicated I may try myself!

 

Does that make more sense? 🙂

 

Cheers

 

Most factories don't do a great quality control job, so yes tearing down a gearbox and making sure everything is greased correctly, shims are shimmed correctly, AOE is good etc is definitely going to help with optimising the gearbox without costing anything - If however, you open it up and find there's a plastic rack on the cylinder for example that should be changed out for metal teeth. Essentially, any small things that you notice are off whilst it's open are going to probably be worth changing out. 

 

Depending on who made the replica, some hop buckings are good but 99% of the time changing out to an after market option will always yield far better results. I always recommend trying to learn yourself as it's not only cheaper but it also gives you a better idea of if something isn't right with the replica (Make sure you have a back up if you decide to open it up, in case it goes wrong... Or better yet, buy a cheap boneyard rifle with the same gearbox type you want to open up (if you can, of course) and learn on the fecked one (That's how I got started, messing with boneyard AK's haha)

[wadsy]

I have a Cyma Platinum 106a and a Cyma (platinum I believe) Daniel Defence PDW M4.

 

Cheers

Edited Thursday at 22:34 by wadsy

[Skara]

Without changing a few parts there is only so much you can do.

 

Surely a complete gearbox cleanup, (proper) reshim and relube will help with sound, rate of fire and general consistency but it's marginal.

 

A better hop rubber will allow you to use heavier BBs like 0.28s and experience a significant gain in range and spread over say a 0.20g.

 

Please consider that most of the times the stock internal parts aren't meant for performance but rather to give a useable product for the lowest manufacturing cost possible.

[Cannonfodder]

In my experience cyma gearboxes tend to be well made so unless there's already a problem or it's making expensive sounding noises then personally I'd leave it.

 

It's also worth noting that if you do open up the gearbox there's just as much chance it'll make no difference or even have a negative effect.

 

If you do decide to open them up then make sure you completely finish one gun before starting the other. The last thing you want the evening before a game is to have to fix 2 guns

 

 

[Tackle]

21 hours ago, wadsy said:

Would "optimising" a standard rif improve its performance, and what could this involve?

 

Or, would modifications and replacement parts be required?

 

Any advice greatly appreciated.

 

Cheers

As others have said, yes marginal, even tiny, improvements MIGHT be gained, but unless your confident enough to do it yourself, maybe following YouTube tutorials ?, then there will be costs involved.

But, as has also been said, what is it doing that isn't up to the job ?, in my mind if a stock gun is pushing out around 300+ fps on a .20, & is shooting straight, then I'd be inclined to leave it alone until something changes or goes drastically wrong.

The web is littered with tales of attempted upgrades, some by so called techs, that havent achieved much improvement,  or in some cases got worse.