Tm aug high cycle upgrades?

[Rory2004]

So I’m buying a tm aug high cycle that’s locked to semi and was wandering what the best upgrades would be to get for it I have £250 budget it’s FPS is 370 for reference many thanks 

[heroshark]

Sounds bastardised already. What you trying to achieve? Some sites won't except it as a dmr as a good few stipulate they have to be equivalents or real dmr's.

Edited February 17, 2022 by heroshark

[RostokMcSpoons]

Isn't this the worst gun to use as a DMR base?  It's designed to be high rate of fire, cqb and you're converting it to to long range single shot.  And it's a TM so would be better left at 270 fps, as designed. 

 

Sell it on and get a long barreled AR... 

 

 

[EDcase]

Yeah, sounds like its been 'tinkered' with which probably means it won't last long.

You can buy a better gun with £250

 

 

Edited February 17, 2022 by EDcase

[Rory2004]

10 minutes ago, heroshark said:

Sounds bastardised already. What you trying to achieve? Some sites won't except it as a dmr as a good few stipulate they have to be equivalents or real dmr's.

My sites very relaxed about what’s classed as a dmr as long as it’s locked to semi and is a rifle and has a limit of 400 FPS 

4 minutes ago, RostokMcSpoons said:

Isn't this the worst gun to use as a DMR base?  It's designed to be high rate of fire, cqb and you're converting it to to long range single shot.  And it's a TM so would be better left at 270 fps, as designed. 

 

Sell it on and get a long barreled AR... 

 

 

What ar would you recommend 

3 minutes ago, EDcase said:

Yeah, sounds like its been 'tinkered' with which probably means it won't last long.

You can buy a better gun with £250

 

 

What would you recommend 

[EDcase]

3 minutes ago, Rory2004 said:

What would you recommend 

 

Anything by CYMA, JG, G&G, Double Eagle

[Rory2004]

2 minutes ago, EDcase said:

 

Anything by CYMA, JG, G&G, Double Eagle

Will do 

[EDcase]

Also consider 'Specna Arms' if you see one you like.  They have produced good rifles in the past but some people have reported poor quality which may be down to recent lower quality, a bad batch or just people with failures shouting louder.

When you get a new rifle always clean the barrel carefully and test thoroughly in case it needs to go back.

[Rory2004]

1 minute ago, EDcase said:

Also consider 'Specna Arms' if you see one you like.  They have produced good rifles in the past but some people have reported poor quality which may be down to recent lower quality, a bad batch or just people with failures shouting louder.

When you get a new rifle always clean the barrel carefully and test thoroughly in case it needs to go back.

Appreciate the warning 

[Iceni]

Aug's can make good DMR's. Why you would want to do that with a TM HC I have no idea.

You have cost - A basic Aug can be had for about £100 new. The TM HC new is at least double that.

There is no external difference in quality in a JG and a TM. All of the differences are in the gearbox.

TM's are notorious for soft gears that will run forever stock with the slightly lower powered spring... If you stick a big spring in there it's going to eat the gearbox.

As soon as you modify the TM HC it's no longer a TM HC, As the only thing that makes them special is the gearbox.



For a basic AUG DMR you would want the JG/APS A1 or A2 variant with a full length barrel. Avoid the A3/A4 the ris is heavy and doesn't improve the gun. If you think  you want some more rail space look at the APS with the added side rails.

If you go with JG you can pretty much just do a spring swap and run on 11.1v to get it running. Perhaps a slightly harder hop rubber.
If you go with APS then I'd advise swapping the piston head, Spring and hop rubber and run 11.1v

To make it better from there you'll be looking at a motor and perhaps gearing it a little different to get some trigger response.

To semi lock it you can do a few things. Tape over the secondary contacts is  the fastest and least reliable way to do it, A basic rewire removing the secondary contacts is probably more appropriate and can be done in minutes with a pair of clippers, soldering iron, and some heat-shrink, without opening the gearbox.

Inner barrel wise the full length AUG runs a 509mm barrel. So you'll be wanting to run a non ported cylinder and don't really need to mess with the barrel length. The hop is decent enough, been a stock rotary unit, and other than a degrease to make it a little stiffer the unit is solid and not prone to walking.


Mags are generally good for the AUG with no real feeding problems even on the cheapest mags. There are loads of 120-170rns midcaps out there that can be had cheap like the battleaxe ones, MAG 170rnd mags are my favourite.

 

https://www.patrolbase.co.uk/army-armament-ku901-steyr-aug-aeg?pv=8463
£109 for the base gun. The Army Armament aug is based on the APS design so it has a raised area on the stock where the textures are. It'll probably want the piston head changing as the APS head is awful with an injection point on the sealing face. Other than that it's a reasonable base gun. For the extras, Your probably looking at Mosfet £20, Head £5, Hop rubber £10, Spring £10. So £45 ish to get it up to DMR basic spec. Add another £40 for a motor in the future when you want more trigger response, but the APS motor should pull an M120 on 11.1v In all it's not a bad basic spec gun for £155ish.


As for the DMR role, The Australian and Austrian army both use AUG's in DMR roles. The Australians use a modified A2 style the Austrians use the Hbar-T.

To make the Rifle into a Hbar-T the lower hand guard mount can be swapped to a 3D printed lower rail. And a picatinny tripod added. Or you can look for a barrel mounted tripod.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Designated_marksman_rifle

Edited February 18, 2022 by Iceni

[heroshark]

I don't see the issue. Yes stupid gun to start a dmr project from stock but the dmr'ing has already been started by the sounds of it. The real thing to consider is what's gone into it already and what is the current owner asking for it?

[Rory2004]

1 hour ago, Iceni said:

Aug's can make good DMR's. Why you would want to do that with a TM HC I have no idea.

You have cost - A basic Aug can be had for about £100 new. The TM HC new is at least double that.

There is no external difference in quality in a JG and a TM. All of the differences are in the gearbox.

TM's are notorious for soft gears that will run forever stock with the slightly lower powered spring... If you stick a big spring in there it's going to eat the gearbox.

As soon as you modify the TM HC it's no longer a TM HC, As the only thing that makes them special is the gearbox.



For a basic AUG DMR you would want the JG/APS A1 or A2 variant with a full length barrel. Avoid the A3/A4 the ris is heavy and doesn't improve the gun. If you think  you want some more rail space look at the APS with the added side rails.

If you go with JG you can pretty much just do a spring swap and run on 11.1v to get it running. Perhaps a slightly harder hop rubber.
If you go with APS then I'd advise swapping the piston head, Spring and hop rubber and run 11.1v

To make it better from there you'll be looking at a motor and perhaps gearing it a little different to get some trigger response.

To semi lock it you can do a few things. Tape over the secondary contacts is  the fastest and least reliable way to do it, A basic rewire removing the secondary contacts is probably more appropriate and can be done in minutes with a pair of clippers, soldering iron, and some heat-shrink, without opening the gearbox.

Inner barrel wise the full length AUG runs a 509mm barrel. So you'll be wanting to run a non ported cylinder and don't really need to mess with the barrel length. The hop is decent enough, been a stock rotary unit, and other than a degrease to make it a little stiffer the unit is solid and not prone to walking.


Mags are generally good for the AUG with no real feeding problems even on the cheapest mags. There are loads of 120-170rns midcaps out there that can be had cheap like the battleaxe ones, MAG 170rnd mags are my favourite.

 

https://www.patrolbase.co.uk/army-armament-ku901-steyr-aug-aeg?pv=8463
£109 for the base gun.


As for the DMR role, The Australian and Austrian army both use AUG's in DMR roles. The Australians use a modified A2 style the Austrians use the Hbar-T.

To make the Rifle into a Hbar-T the lower hand guard mount can be swapped to a 3D printed lower rail. And a picatinny tripod added. Or you can look for a barrel mounted tripod.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Designated_marksman_rifle

Lots of details and info thanks good sir

1 hour ago, heroshark said:

I don't see the issue. Yes stupid gun to start a dmr project from stock but the dmr'ing has already been started by the sounds of it. The real thing to consider is what's gone into it already and what is the current owner asking for it?

True but from what I’ve seen above I’ve cancelled the order and seeing other people’s advice for better base rifs