Papa Smurf Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Hi all! I’m looking for a way to get as much recoil as possible with my M4. I will use an IR-laser and only shoot laser at a projector screen with a camera wich pick up the hit point etc. So no bullets will be used. Any good idea what to buy? The video just show some of my target set up. Cheers Fredrik IMG_0495.MOV IMG_0559.MOV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chev Chelios Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Increase the mass that move's and how hard it will return to battery = increase recoil. So increase the weight of the buffer and or the bolt and chuck a stronger spring in. Props want to run HPA due to needing more power moving that extra weight. If it was me I would give it a miss and go with another GBB platform that's more mechanically like the real thing as you are not shooting BBs you don't need all the pooderhooky TM has done on the inside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diemaco Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Interesting idea. What's the system called? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Smurf Posted October 15, 2020 Author Share Posted October 15, 2020 20 hours ago, Chev Chelios said: Increase the mass that move's and how hard it will return to battery = increase recoil. So increase the weight of the buffer and or the bolt and chuck a stronger spring in. Props want to run HPA due to needing more power moving that extra weight. If it was me I would give it a miss and go with another GBB platform that's more mechanically like the real thing as you are not shooting BBs you don't need all the pooderhooky TM has done on the inside. What do you think about Tippman? I like the videos I have seen. But co2 in mag seems to be a bad idea😬😬. Hard to train mag change😬😬 /Fredrik 20 hours ago, Diemaco said: Interesting idea. What's the system called? Right now Lasershooting. But I have not started to sell anything yet. I want everything to be perfect for training and education of shooters first. To many system out there wich dont give the right training. /Fredrik 20 hours ago, Chev Chelios said: pooderhooky Nice word😀👍. Have never heard that before. But I understand it anyway👍👍/F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberlawyer Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 That system looks very nice. Interested to see more when it's ready. In terms of increasing the recoil the comments suggesting increasing the weight of the bolt and or buffer are spot on. I'd suggest a metal high recoil buffer (https://www.fire-support.co.uk/product/angrygun-super-recoil-buffer-kit-hard-kick-version-for-marui-mws). Rocketdogbert on this forum actually cast a lead bolt end which made the recoil very solid, but for a skirmishing gun it dead really slow the cycle down. To prevent the action becoming sluggish you will need to upgrade the recoil spring to help return all that mass into battery with a realistic snap. In terms of shifting all of that mass you have two options. 1 as already suggested HPA the gun and then you can regulate the gas pressure to ensure a snappy action. Alternatively fit an NPAS and turnout all the way down so very little gas goes down the barrel and it is all directed to cycle the action (this would result in a very poor FPS for skirmishing, but I understand this won't make a difference for your purposes). Hope that helps... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitmanNo2 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 As said, you don't need a TM MWS for this use. Get a GHK, Devilhunter modified CO2 mags and you're good to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsmithski Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 Get any gbbr and seal the front of the nozzle so that no air can pass to the barrel, this will direct all the gas to the recoil. Then you’ll need a heavier bolt and maybe a stiffer recoil spring - you’ll need to do some testing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Smurf Posted October 19, 2020 Author Share Posted October 19, 2020 11 hours ago, Cyberlawyer said: That system looks very nice. Interested to see more when it's ready. In terms of increasing the recoil the comments suggesting increasing the weight of the bolt and or buffer are spot on. I'd suggest a metal high recoil buffer (https://www.fire-support.co.uk/product/angrygun-super-recoil-buffer-kit-hard-kick-version-for-marui-mws). Rocketdogbert on this forum actually cast a lead bolt end which made the recoil very solid, but for a skirmishing gun it dead really slow the cycle down. To prevent the action becoming sluggish you will need to upgrade the recoil spring to help return all that mass into battery with a realistic snap. In terms of shifting all of that mass you have two options. 1 as already suggested HPA the gun and then you can regulate the gas pressure to ensure a snappy action. Alternatively fit an NPAS and turnout all the way down so very little gas goes down the barrel and it is all directed to cycle the action (this would result in a very poor FPS for skirmishing, but I understand this won't make a difference for your purposes). Hope that helps... Hi! TX. /Fredrik IMG_0559.MOV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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