emilianoksa Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 Anybody use this in preference to white lithium grease or molybdenum grease. It contains no petroleum products or silicone and is popular with American airsofters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceni Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 Looks like marketing wank to me. The company is a Loctite brand so it doesn't surprise me. PTFE impregnated Silicone grease. It'll be the same stuff I regularly link to on ebay ( none on atm), but in a more expensive package and with an added brand name. Other companies do the same with marketing like molyslip foodslip ect. Nothing new about the product or magical. You'll notice there are very few images of the actual grease online. The lack of information about the actual grease would put me right off buying it. If you don't know 100% what's in it, you don't know what it's 100% safe on. You need that information in industry, so it's a product designed for the home gamer and lighter industry that generally don't have a clue. As for not containing silicone, I can't find anything to back that up. In fact the brand seems to cover a wide range of greases and oils, and they don't come forward with information on a lot of it. You don't need expensive greases. Good quality grease is graded rather than branded. And manufacturers aim to meet a grade. For metal on metal Moly grease. This is a good soft grease. Nothing fancy but it works and doesn't resist your gears.https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Molybdenum-Disulphide-Grease-for-Airgun-Servicing-50-GRAM-TIN-FP-mos-1/391721324225?epid=1548017327&hash=item5b34690ec1:g:C6sAAMXQ2dBSHU90 For plastic and plastic on metal, silicone grease with PTFE. I normally link to MPF-2-HT which is thinner and clearer but this one will work as well.https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/200g-Silicone-Grease-PTFE-Teflon-White-Air-Rifle-Paint-Ball-Air-Soft/172301501574?hash=item281df84486:g:QFEAAOSwVFlT0lGf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emilianoksa Posted August 4, 2018 Author Share Posted August 4, 2018 Thanks for taking the trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceni Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 9 minutes ago, emilianoksa said: Thanks for taking the trouble. No problem. General rule of thumb, if a company decide to rename a common additive, it's marketing wank. For trademark protection. Not much different to Gillette adding another blade and changing the way the blades attach to the razor handle. It stops the market been able to make cheap clones of the current product (always marketed as better than the previous ones, And always poor shaming the people on the previous system). It's done not to progress and develop a product to make it better, but to capitalise on a market and stop competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshOnSnow Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 I've been recommended Ballistol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Sitting Duck Posted August 5, 2018 Supporters Share Posted August 5, 2018 Thng is - it is quite cheap to pick up in an American Walmart with ya shopping But with anything imported from US - ya get shafted without any lube at all That grease you linked to - I wouldn't buy it Somewhere I got a large tube of nigh on exact same stuff food safe silicone bollox - too thick read that you can dilutue/thin it with silicone oil - yup did that mixed up a modest amount in a small pot with lid.... what a wank that was, the silicone oil evaporated over time & left with thick cakey crap better to buy a smaller titchy pot of thin silicone grease than a large tub of food safe silicone or buy Superlube at the inflated price in UK or better still next time you know somebody going to states - get them to buy ya some just my 2 cents/pennies what I found, that food safe silicone is too thick and really is not what you want to waste your money on imho Others might have got better results but I think it was an unwise purchase truth be told quite white than clear silicone grease & pretty shit imho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emilianoksa Posted August 5, 2018 Author Share Posted August 5, 2018 Slightly off topic I know but what is murder oil and why can't we get it here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceni Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 There is an easy way to check the viscosity @Sitting Duck. NGLI numbers. It's a standard set by the grease governing body. All the NGLI number tells you is how thick it is on application. I normally look for 2-3. Yes it's thicker than a near liquid grease but you have to understand grease properties. Thicker grease only resists more for the shear phase of it's operation. Once the shear is complete it acts with the friction coefficient of the base oil. For piston o-rings, the initial resistance of a thicker grease isn't an issue It's actually a bonus as it means the grease sticks to the surfaces and doesn't wipe off. The super thick stuff that is near solid I don't bother with, But a decent NGLI 2 or at a push 3 is perfectly fine in my opinion for a silicone grease in this application. Gear grease wants to be softer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Sitting Duck Posted August 5, 2018 Supporters Share Posted August 5, 2018 Just saying that food silicone I was not impressed with looked more like sudocrem than clear silicone grease I thought gear grease wants to be thicker but spread lightly idea being the thicker higher viscous stuff still sticks to the gears teeth/V's so the main area of contact wear reduces friction/heat/wear thinner stuff just flies off and sprays everywhere in the box but on the gears so really you need two lubes, light grease for stuff like tappet plates & maybe o-rings though not too thin like oily grease then you want something like a bit thicker that doesn't fly off the gears/pinion in 0.5 secs I got some Superlube - and yes it is good stuff - could be used to lube everything but feel gears need a more thicker moby grease Yes it is well overpriced - way way way overpriced and probably over rated tbh think peeps would be better off buying a small pot of silicone grease for £2 which would do than splash near £10 on something I feel is not ideally perfect I found I don't think the food silicone is high temp/friction for gears/drive chain though lightly spreading something like that viscocity - bollox to how it's spelt something like that thick on the gears - but capable of taking stress/friction (think that food grease is more for food safe in automation lines that don't have the high speeds of aeg gears) just saying - I'm still looking for some cheaper alternative that ticks the boxes it is a fucking pisstake on the superlube price I agree though - but not if you live in 'murica Think I got 3 tubes for about £28 a while back - way over priced think about best deal is: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Loctite-399420-85g-Synthetic-Superlube-Grease-Tube/192494733447?epid=1055397295&hash=item2cd1948887:g:Y9gAAOSw23VbTwe2 BUT THIS IS A FUCKING PISS TAKE.... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Loctite-2105011-Super-Lube-85g/111884039875?epid=1055397295&hash=item1a0ccef6c3:g:GpwAAOSw9N5bDrWV £37:10 - sod selling drugs - start dealing in class A grease kids I tried looking up Farnell, RS & others but not gonna get it much cheaper or buy something like: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2pcs-Silicone-Grease-Waterproof-Watch-Cream-Upkeep-Repair-Restorer-Tool/123273858593?_trkparms=aid%3D555017%26algo%3DPL.CASSINI%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D53378%26meid%3D41e0d7d455644cabbc65bf8e05e6cc46%26pid%3D100281%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D12%26%26itm%3D123273858593&_trksid=p2045573.c100281.m3567 looks a bit cheap tbh but nowt to lose or https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/20g-PURE-SILICONE-GREASE-FOR-BRAKE-CALIPERS-O-RINGS-AND-SEALS-MICRO-TIN/392080648480?hash=item5b49d3e920:m:m6mn2uEDQYOv5VR1-mBX44A just my thoughts - if anybody finds something really good at a great price I'd love to know too Yes it is a bit expensive at over £10 for a bit of lube but considering the amount you use - what less than 25p~50p if you go nutz in the box that isn't a vast amount but still goes against the grain a bit I'll agree However not as expensive as £100 CNC box & £100 Seigetek gears by comparison THAT is what I call expensive - await flaming by techs with an unlimited budget.... but you get my point I'm trying to make sometimes you gotta bite the bullet and pay more for stuff - still stings a bit but hey ho sometimes you can use other cheaper alternatives - but you still takes your chances imho put it this way, I've used other stuff for o-rings and got 345fps put away gun - month or so later the fps has dropped to 310fps superlube stuff has not dropped like the food stuff I tried to dilute a bit Now the spring could have faded, but really - I suspect the food stuff was $hit Maybe coz I diluted - maybe spring faded, maybe who knows - but just saying I'd recommend spreading caviar on the o-ring if it really worked - but it don't funny when some PC tech articles did some heatsink tests using Artic MX-4 or Gelid versus mayo, toothpaste, cream cheese & fuck knows what else plus the pattern - splodge, a big X, pea dot, smiley face, square, circle They get paid to piss ball about like this and compile the results I wanna job like that - mega jealous but yeah Artic or more expensive Gelid still beats Heinz Mayo for some odd reason (think Aldi's own brand was slightly better than Heinz - but yeah still shit though) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceni Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 4 hours ago, Sitting Duck said: Just saying that food silicone I was not impressed with looked more like sudocrem than clear silicone grease It can do. A lot of the food grade stuff is higher NGLI rated. It needs to be thick for that application to resist fluid ingress but that is just one grade of it. There are food grade silicone greases right the way through the viscosity range depending on the application. You can't write off it all based on one product that has been a disaster. NGLI ratings let you pick a grease that will at least be the right thickness. Super thick greases can be a problem, but you have to understand the mechanics of the grease a little. Silicone greases for example should all run at the same friction coefficient as silicone oil when up to speed. It's the speed that is critical, Too thick and too slow you won't meet the shear force requirement so it'll still be resisting. Too thin and too fast you will push it off the surfaces and end up running dry. All silicone grease is effectively the same bar the NGLI number, It all works on the lubricity of silicone oil. Brand should play no part in it's actual function. 4 hours ago, Sitting Duck said: I thought gear grease wants to be thicker but spread lightly idea being the thicker higher viscous stuff still sticks to the gears teeth/V's so the main area of contact wear reduces friction/heat/wear Not always, Shear and impact resistance play an equal role. I agree you don't want it flying off, but you also don't want it to go stringy or be pushed off the gear faces. Harder greases applied thin will smash out of the meshing faces, and you will end up running dry. With a harder grease you will see the grease pool at the edges of the teeth as lumps. The correct amount of grease is enough to coat the gear mesh and faces (good thick smear not a dollop), Reducing the noise of the gears, and not fly off. You will always get grease splatters, Even in industry where a grease is selected to run on open gears. It's what stays on that's important. Too much grease should just make a mess, it should not affect the performance of the part, and if it does it's the wrong grease. 4 hours ago, Sitting Duck said: I don't think the food silicone is high temp/friction for gears/drive chain It's actually fine on gears, the problem with it isn't the temp or the friction on metal on metal. It's the lack of a particulate lubrication that causes problems, Once it's smashed out or gone dry silicone grease is useless. As without the oil part you have no lubrication. For a short term solution it is far better than nothing at all. Moly is unique in the fact that the particulate works even when dry. So a good moly grease still protects even if the soap/oil has long since vanished. Or if there is only the slightest whiff of grease left. You don't need a lot for it to be efficient either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Sitting Duck Posted August 5, 2018 Supporters Share Posted August 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Iceni said: snip... Which is why I said.... 5 hours ago, Sitting Duck said: so really you need two lubes, light grease for stuff like tappet plates & maybe o-rings though not too thin like oily grease then you want something like a bit thicker that doesn't fly off the gears/pinion in 0.5 secs I got some Superlube - and yes it is good stuff - could be used to lube everything but feel gears need a more thicker moby grease Yes I might slop some SuperLube on the gears but would rather use a Moby or LM2 grease on gears spread onto gears and rotated once or twice to distribute it plus a mild smear on poor pinion I might use thin SL on say cross bushings that are supposed to cascade onto axles in operation The SL is mainly used for o-rings & tappet plus a light smear on nozzle/cyl head spout that sort of stuff- free flowing gliding lubrication with gears getting a heavier duty grease instead for durability etc.... I'm still probably not using the absolute perfectly suited stuff for each component but it seems to work better I feel, good compression, smooth running on certain components and looking at spec the LM2 grease "seems" to be better suited for gears & stuff You obviously know a lot more than me about the chemical & physical properties of it all But was just saying that food stuff - hmmm I wasn't impressed with it myself - that's all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emilianoksa Posted September 3, 2018 Author Share Posted September 3, 2018 A little late in replying, I know.😁 Since it contains no silicone or petrolem products I thought it might be useful for lubing the grooves on pistol slides for guns with plastic frames, like the Glocks. Both white lithium and moly are petroleum based. Superlube is synthetic. It is expensive, but for my simple needs a small tube would last a lifetime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ak2m4 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Lot of my customers use superlube, getting some flown over next couple of weeks. Prices over here are crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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