LMKipper

I've got a VFC gas shotgun with the 30rd shells - same system as Marui, Cyma et al. On 3rd spread, it's a decent distance - I've never measured it but it's not that much worse than a typical AEG. On 6rd it probably loses 5-10m of range but obviously a bigger spread. I've played outdoors with it a couple of times and not felt completely outgunned. I think it also depends a little on the site you're playing at. If it's got wide open spaces, hundreds of people and everyone has a hicap then it would probably be a bit pants. Most sites I play at these days are built up/dense woodland and the games are semi-only with most people running midcaps. In those, if you pick your shots it's no disadvantage at all and makes for a very rewarding game. You do have to be on it with gassing up the little tank though.

Hmm the MG4 is a bit of a tempting brave pill 😂

Will do, thanks!

Been in a bit of a shotgun phase of late, so treated myself to an CAM870 off this very forum then swapped out the furniture. Complete faff to load and use but god is it cool.

I saw that ad (although you've deleted it now, which doesn't do you any favours tbh). I was tempted by it but wasn't quick enough. Just tell the guy it's refunds or nothing, and I'll have it off you for the same money, no fucking about.

Never been entirely happy with the Surefire can I had on the GBLS, so swapped for a Dead Air. Much better! Can't say I love the club foot stock either, but seems necessary for the batteries...

I wondered what was going on here. You're right, they're really full of VFCs for not much more than Asia prices.

This is questionable, considering parts are impossible to get and the only thing harder than spare parts is spare magazines. May as well be a boneyard wallhanger. Oh and they were about £250 new from Asia...

Wish they had what I need...

Went to Gunman Alpha yesterday for a themed ‘90s game. It was the invented nation of Sahud occupied by Russians vs the NATO forces. Everyone made lots of effort with period kit and it worked really nicely. The event really leant into the roleplay element and the whole day was tracked with a giant ‘morale-o-meter’. In short the Sahudi’s has tasks to do to make rebellion popular with the people, while the NATO forces had to win hearts and minds. For lots of tasks there were different ways of going about it, and some outcomes would have positive effects on the morale, some outcomes negative. I was on the Sahudi ‘side’ but myself and another were actually CIA operatives under cover. We kept well hidden within the Sahudi team, until we were eventually assassinated by our own NATO forces, who opted to put spent Russian cartridges around our bodies to sow seeds of discord into the Sahudi/Russian alliance. It was interesting focusing more on the roleplay rather than the shooty shooty and the first time I’ve done this sort of game. I wouldn’t want to do it every weekend but it was cool to try. If you fancy it but don’t have the kit, Gunman has a huge stockpile of stuff, with lots of people borrowing period kit for the weekend. Not sure when the next one is, but I’ll go again.

Chronoing gas shotguns is both easy and hard, depending on the kit on hand. As you've found, most site chronos struggle - the gas can upset them, as can multiple BBs going through the gates, which is how you end up with mad 5J readings. Lots of places will tell you to just load one BB and fire that, which is inaccurate the other way and often leads to lower readings (lots of gas will just escape out of the other barrels). The only way to do it really accurately is to use radar chronos (https://airsoftdirect.uk.com/product/valken-airsoft-chronograph-custom-chrono-x-radar/) but they're not especially common. FWIW if I chrono at home with multiple BBs, I often get 3J+ readings. If I chrono with one BB, it will usually show around 0.7J but if I chrono on a radar with three BBs it's around 1J.

But doesn't love me. Suddenly feeling very rejected.

I've ordered from this place before and had a good experience: https://gpairsoft-uk.com/eshop/product/gp-storm-pistol-grip-with-heat-sink-end-set-for-m4-m16-aeg-black-gp858b/

I got it from ProAct but WGC et al. have it as it's a standard VFC part these days. Even has the LSO trades! https://www.proactstore.com/products/vfc-ls-stowaway2-grip-m4-gbb

We're such basic bitches.