My Vsr G-spec Build

[Davegolf]

Eagle6 is perfectly reputable if a little expensive at times. Have used them many a time. ?

 

[Steveocee]

Perfect @leadly

I had a the Laylax 303 before I went Laylax 430 and it was fine, even have that spring in my spares box.

Should put you right about 495 with a "normal" piston.

 

[Shaydee]

@Shaydee I do not have photographic / video evidence if that is what you're asking.

From a lot of field testing at 80-100M (real) in ideal conditions collectively we confirmed the differences between the two barrel lengths - STD & G spec.

Theres a lot of false info on forums for sure, and anyone can take ot leave anything

Ahh fair, nice to see someone doing their own research. Like you say there's enough people spouting that they can hit a man size target at 300 feet with an out of the box G&G raider Airsoft metres and all. My barrel is fine at the distances I engage at so personally no need to change for me!

Agree with @Skara and @Shaydee on both sides yes the law is set on Joules, but conversely as stated most stock guns will be above the limit as soon as you run anymore than 0.2 due to massive factory over volume.

Most snipers are the most honourable of all airsoft players, they appreciate distance, the power they have, but moreover they enjoy the sport for the satisfaction of a long stealthy hit.

This is only achievable with joules.

If everyone was Joule legal then sniper rifles / 500 FPS should be banned cos who the fuck fires 0.2 from a sniper rifle!? ?

It should be 450 FPS limit.

Really we should bin chronoing on 0.2s for any springer/HPA gun and chrono on the bb weights people are using (AEGs are pretty hard to overvolume from what I remember reading). But getting everyone to switch around to that will take a bloody long time.

There's nothing else like it, at least for me, than creeping through the woods and getting that first shot hit and seeing others confused at where the hell it came from.

You have the best tool already - a chrono.

Time, effort and patience will reap maximum joy in game, provided you don't have the shakes! ?

This is the main thing, the amount of people I've seen around the net trying to tech and get their FPS right without a chrono is mad. It'll take a bit of time to get that hop dialed just right and get everything perfect, but man is it worth it.

Right, so I'm going to go with the pictured.

Anyone recommend eagle6.co.uk? Basically the only place I could find with both bits I wanted.

I intend to fit the spring, chrono it, then the inner barrel and chrono again to see what or how the FPS changes!

Looks good! Just make sure you give it a clean before you fit it to get rid of any factory/storage gunk Eagle6 are decent, like @Davegolf said they can be expensive some times so shop around. If they're the only ones with the barrel about though and you're hankering I know what I'd be doing?

 

[Steveocee]

Should mention, the 303mm is bridged where the 430mm isn't (referencing the Laylax PSS barrels).

If you run an Autobot or similar you will need to remove the bridge with a file.

Spring;

https://www.bullseyecountrysport.co.uk/action-army-vsr-10-bar-10-m150-sniper-spring-21863-p.asp

 

[leadly]

Should mention, the 303mm is bridged where the 430mm isn't (referencing the Laylax PSS barrels).

If you run an Autobot or similar you will need to remove the bridge with a file

Ah ball bags, I assumed they'd be the same. It's ordered now so never mind, I'm sure I'll manage to remove it.

 

[Steveocee]

Ah ball bags, I assumed they'd be the same. It's ordered now so never mind, I'm sure I'll manage to remove it.

It's super simple. Good flat file and half an hour and you're golden.

**Check your PM's

 

[leadly]

Yeah so I've just realised I made a bit of an error.....

So I've been smashing holes in paper targets tonight and I thought right, I'll try get my hop up adjusted and play around with it.

I seemed to have to do a fair bit of tweaking up for it to make much of an impact and then "whammy" it hit me!

After @Steveoceementioning that I'll have to file down the bridge on the Laylax 303 barrel I bought so I could fit my Autobot bucking, I'd realised that I'd fitted that same bucking to the stock barrel......which is also bridged!! 

Hopefully I've not damaged the bucking. I've just been out to the garage to wind the hop up off until the BB falls out of the end to remove any pressure of it. Atleast it's pretty cheap if I have caused any harm to it!

Ah well, you live and learn. I'm not afraid to admit to my mistakes!

I was wondering why my grouping was a bit shit as well!!

On the plus side, Eagle6 have already posted out my order, so they've already made up for the extra quid or two its cost to order from them.

Right now back to my late night MK23 research, on nights tomorrow so I'll be up until daft o clock making shopping lists for next payday!! 

 

[Shaydee]

Yeah so I've just realised I made a bit of an error.....

So I've been smashing holes in paper targets tonight and I thought right, I'll try get my hop up adjusted and play around with it.

I seemed to have to do a fair bit of tweaking up for it to make much of an impact and then "whammy" it hit me!

After @Steveoceementioning that I'll have to file down the bridge on the Laylax 303 barrel I bought so I could fit my Autobot bucking, I'd realised that I'd fitted that same bucking to the stock barrel......which is also bridged!! 

Hopefully I've not damaged the bucking. I've just been out to the garage to wind the hop up off until the BB falls out of the end to remove any pressure of it. Atleast it's pretty cheap if I have caused any harm to it!

Ah well, you live and learn. I'm not afraid to admit to my mistakes!

I was wondering why my grouping was a bit shit as well!!

On the plus side, Eagle6 have already posted out my order, so they've already made up for the extra quid or two its cost to order from them.

Right now back to my late night MK23 research, on nights tomorrow so I'll be up until daft o clock making shopping lists for next payday!! 

Shouldn't have done any lasting damage. I'd remove it for now as it could stretch a bit but I kinda doubt that though.

MK23 you'll want a decent rubber, barrel, a H-arm (I think this is the latest thing from Hadron as opposed to the I/H keys) and a TDC to be shooting lasers. If you're on the old facebook join the MK23 owners group, wealth of info on there!

 

[Steveocee]

If you're on the old facebook join the MK23 owners group, wealth of info on there!

Could you link this mythical group? I cannot find it for the life of me.

 

[Skara]

Could you link this mythical group? I cannot find it for the life of me.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/741515265932144

 

[Shaydee]

https://www.facebook.com/groups/741515265932144

@Steveocee this is the one, cheers @Skara.

 

[Steveocee]

https://www.facebook.com/groups/741515265932144

You beauty! Thank you. I've been looking for that for so long as I'm just starting a second Mk23 build and wanted to see if there were any other "easy" mods to do.

 

[leadly]

Well Eagle6 has got my vote!

Ordered yesterday at 14:00 ish, arrived today at 10:30. Ok I paid for first class postage but they didn't muck about!!

Good job it's my rostered week off starting on Saturday!

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[leadly]

Well, what else do you do at 3am on a slow night shift?

Attacked it with a file then worked up to 1200 grit. Feels smooth enough and no sharp edges to damage the rubber on!

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[Davegolf]

Hah! Good use of time and a nice job ?

 

[leadly]

What a faff. Get out of work earlier and didn't want to wake the wife and kids up so thought I'd get into the "armoury" and fit the new spring......

It's shorter and fatter than my M130. Now I'm new to all this but the packaging says it's for an L96. I have no knowledge of this gun but eagle 6's website says the spring is compatible with the L96 and the VSR, so I assumed I'd be getting the correct spring.

Surely if I have to have components X,Y and Z installed to fit this spring then they should make that clear, especially if it doesn't even fit a stock VSR.

I've asked to send it back, so I'll see what they say!

 

[Davegolf]

Does it actually not fit in?

There are a lot of variables and thus routes to making a spring a given rate.

Shorter, less coils, thicker gauge wire all equate to a stiffer spring.

And the opposite is true.

It may be wrong but it may just be a different design ??‍

 

[Steveocee]

@leadly
I am sat here with my AA M150 spring in it's packaging next to me. I can confirm it does NOT mention L96 anywhere on the packet. Down the left hand side it is clearly marked as "VSR10 M150 POWER SPRING".

I've looked and it looks like AA do different springs for L96 and VSR so there is a chance they have sent the wrong one.

Mine is sat unused and unloved and wants a new home though.....

 

[leadly]

I did install it, but ssssshhhh, don't tell Eagle6. There's about an inch of free space between the spring and the piston, so the spring just slides up and down in the cylinder!

Wouldn't be the most stealthy of builds with that rattling about inside and it makes a right "boing" noise when fired!

Mine is sat unused and unloved and wants a new home though.....

I'm interested mate! Drop me a message!

 

[leadly]

Built the rifle back up with the M130 spring again but this time with the new barrel. Had grand plans of plinking in the garden but came across an issue with the hop adjustment.

With the hop wound all the way OFF, the BB's DON'T roll out the end of the barrel like it has before.. Infact with no hop at all it's shooting around 370 ish.

Is this something that can happen with a new bucking? Or is it more than likely an issue with my recent bridge removal job?

With the hop adjusted up I'm getting around 415 ish before the bucking is stopping the BB's from registering on the chrono.

The above tested with 0.2s as my 0.4s are far to precious to fault find with!