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An interesting thread this, indeed very interesting to see the attitudes of some towards fellow airsoft players.
I am just getting back to airsoft after a long break and I thought there might be a little more understanding here among people with a shared hobby.
As you can see from my avatar I have in the past worn some very different costumes as a re-enactor and should I decide to come back to airsoft fully I will probably wear military style uniforms, its part of the enjoyment for me. If you don't get that it is fine, but I would really prefer that you keep that to yourself and don't feel the need to tell me (certainly not in the way that some have here). Even better perhaps take the time to get to know me rather than staying distant and ignorant of who I am and what I stand for.
I may not get why you would wish to skirmish and not use military gear, but I am not going to tell you that or think any worse of you because of it. I may think worse of you if I see you making deliberately abrasive and demeaning comments about what others do however. At some point in life we all see something that we just don't get, but to dismiss it and ridicule it without even trying to understand it is just prejudiced.
The conversation here is also interesting in terms of "skirmishing" as a defence to buy an RIF under the VCRA. My understanding is that the need for skirmishers to have access to RIFs was at the time argued on the grounds of "realism" at skirmish events. And after all as an RIF and an IF function in exactly the same way the only need for a realistic looking gun is to have a realistic looking impression whilst skirmishing surely. However as some seem to be arguing here that realism for them is not a part of airsoft skirmishing and doesn't need to be for anyone, then perhaps the need for a "skirmishing" defence to buy an RIF is no longer necessary or pertanent and skirmishers would be happy to use IFs now as there is no need for any realism.
Not necessarily my views, but an interesting hypothetical extension to the the arguments of some here I think.
I am just getting back to airsoft after a long break and I thought there might be a little more understanding here among people with a shared hobby.
As you can see from my avatar I have in the past worn some very different costumes as a re-enactor and should I decide to come back to airsoft fully I will probably wear military style uniforms, its part of the enjoyment for me. If you don't get that it is fine, but I would really prefer that you keep that to yourself and don't feel the need to tell me (certainly not in the way that some have here). Even better perhaps take the time to get to know me rather than staying distant and ignorant of who I am and what I stand for.
I may not get why you would wish to skirmish and not use military gear, but I am not going to tell you that or think any worse of you because of it. I may think worse of you if I see you making deliberately abrasive and demeaning comments about what others do however. At some point in life we all see something that we just don't get, but to dismiss it and ridicule it without even trying to understand it is just prejudiced.
The conversation here is also interesting in terms of "skirmishing" as a defence to buy an RIF under the VCRA. My understanding is that the need for skirmishers to have access to RIFs was at the time argued on the grounds of "realism" at skirmish events. And after all as an RIF and an IF function in exactly the same way the only need for a realistic looking gun is to have a realistic looking impression whilst skirmishing surely. However as some seem to be arguing here that realism for them is not a part of airsoft skirmishing and doesn't need to be for anyone, then perhaps the need for a "skirmishing" defence to buy an RIF is no longer necessary or pertanent and skirmishers would be happy to use IFs now as there is no need for any realism.
Not necessarily my views, but an interesting hypothetical extension to the the arguments of some here I think.
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I wouldn't. I have an NCIS costume for those occasions. But I guess for some they enjoy wearing all the kit wherever they are. Ever seen "Act of Valour"? Real seals in camo in urban settings at the end. not a bad film actually.
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I was like you, now I wear whatever, usually black or green, or a mix. It matters not!!!
His questions have been answered, and seems to be getting more obscure the more he posts
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Its a great film, made using some real life SeALs who were serving at the time. They started out as advisors for the film but then the makers ended up using them in the film. They planned a lot of the missions portrayed and SeAL and navy training areas were used in some of the scenes. Not the best acting, but still a great film. Also has US navy SF riverine teams in it too. worth a look.
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I get what your saying with the RIF and IF issue and thats a bloody good point and totaly valid, worth a discussion in a separate topic for sure! , personally I wouldn't care if my gun was neon yellow with diamonds on (would be fun... one for Geartec methinks
) for a lot of people its the immersion, which is understandable, however its pointless in nearly all airsoft situations its just fluff. I dont really have the disposable income anymore to build loadouts or have different guns and kit for different scenarios as a skirmish for me is shooting people, be it in camo, black or a unicorn onesie. As long as I have a working gun im happy. Not all see it this way and thats fine!
I would like to assume most of the full camo weirdos at The Mall are woodland players who fancied a change (most of em play like it hahah
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I think maybe you misunderstand the issue.
I personally don't get the dressing up side as to be honest I find it bizarre but I don't see any harm in it either. The problem comes from the fact that a lot of people see the dress up as more important than the game and the whole toy soldiers bit takes over.
Airsoft is not pretend soldiers its a generally high speed full contact hide and seek. Now if someone wants to play super serious then that is catered for in milsim which I see as a whole different pastime. The simple thing is play airsoft for airsoft and if you choose to dress up then dress up for airsoft but please don't airsoft to dress up.
Re-enactment is again a whole different thing and I appreciate the effort people put in but not everything from it can transfer across as greatcoats for one are just big heavy bb shields.
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No I can see where you are coming from, but I think a little more tolerance is called for.
Some will go for milsim events were the immersion is as full as possible. My understanding is that those can be few and far between and can have all sorts of rules or equipment requirements that may exclude some.
Skirmishing will attract all sorts of people who will enjoy it for all sorts of reasons. You will always have a range of players from those who see it as just a game to those who will see it as a lot more. The reality is there would probably be no airsoft skirmishing without all of them.
Interestingly the same thing does happen in re-enacting. You get some who are very much into the accuracy and authenticity of what they do down to the correct makers stamps in their underwear, and others for whom the hobby is a weekend away in their caravan wearing a wooly uniform. Again the reality to being able to put on a re-enactment is that you need both and everything in between for it to be viable as a reenactment. The authentics can be driven to distraction by the not so authentic and vice versa, but everyone has to find a way to get along as at the end of the day they know that they could not put on any sort of event without each other.
I think it is really about making the effort to try and get along with whatever someone enjoys rather than trying to change others or tell them that they should enjoy things in a different way.
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Sorry I deleted my post as I felt it was rather superfluous when I read it back but you had already quoted it.
I agree that is probably much of the appeal of airsoft guns but "I like my airsoft guns to be realistic looking" is not a defence elsewhere in the airsoft community. If you are a collector or target shooter the argument is always it does not need to look realistic to use it in those activities. The type of gameplay described here does not "need" the guns involved to be realistic looking either. If Airsoft skirmishing is just "a generally high speed full contact hide and seek." then I can see little reason why RIFs are "required" for it. Guns that are brightly coloured or don't look like real weapons would be just as good. As I said previously the defence for skirmishing was presented on the "need for realism", so skirmishing must be more than what was described or it should fall in the same category as collecting and target shooting and not have a defence under the VCRA.
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Thanks.@scalawag hi bud good to know there’s another person who likes wearing the full military kit. Does any one know where I could find usmc digital marpat,trousers and shirt/ubac?
have you tried googling USMC marpat? you can also restrict the google search to sites in the UK to avoid turning up all the US sites selling it.
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Why would you want MARPAT if you want to do a SEAL kit?
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Well that escalated quickly!
There are a lot of things I don't understand about airsoft, like why people still buy non molle gear, why people buy those extremely short m4s, why do people still use mesh eyepro when it's been proven to not be reliable enough and many others..
I'll never find answers for these questions other than: personal taste..
With that said, yes he's confused as hell, one day he wants a SEAL loadout, now he's asking for a marpat bdu..
At this point every reply will just open an endless loop of questions which will never get a real answer
There are a lot of things I don't understand about airsoft, like why people still buy non molle gear, why people buy those extremely short m4s, why do people still use mesh eyepro when it's been proven to not be reliable enough and many others..
I'll never find answers for these questions other than: personal taste..
With that said, yes he's confused as hell, one day he wants a SEAL loadout, now he's asking for a marpat bdu..
At this point every reply will just open an endless loop of questions which will never get a real answer
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as i said, personal taste.. i don't like short barreled guns
i feel more comfortable holding a gun chris costa style and i can't do that with a short barrel my honey badger is barely long enough for me to be somewhat comfortable, as i have to grip it right by the end of the barrel, i just can't imagine myself with something shorter than that.
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